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CateG
15-01-19, 21:58
Where should I look to get information about people who moved to Viborg in 1895?
Maria Devedelazs (born 1871), parents Bartolomei Devedelazs and Sanna Britta Pensar. She moved from Helsinki.

Anteroinen
16-01-19, 09:10
Only the countryside records from Viipuri are available from 1895. I went through them, but did not find anyone named Devedelazs. Are they orthodox or lutheran? Do you have more details on them moving or the birth?

CateG
16-01-19, 10:06
Her father , also called Felix, was katholic, born prob 1818-1878. He lived earlier in Viipuri too, moved to Helsinki 29.8.1872.

Anteroinen
16-01-19, 16:04
In that case they'd only be in the tax records, I think. Being Catholic was very marginalized in Finland, moreso than even Muslims were. What about Sanna Brita Pensar? Was she a Lutheran?

CateG
16-01-19, 17:39
She was, wonder if she had to convert to marry him...? Sanna Brita was born dec 18, 1848 and died 1927. Her family name was Pensar.

CateG
17-01-19, 22:58
I was thinking. It could be possible that Maria got married in Helsinki..

Anteroinen
18-01-19, 08:23
Might it be this marriage 16.3.1893?

Two announcements:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/554411?page=1&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/751079?page=1&term=Devcdelazs

Papers also show:

A "K. Devedelazs" has found money and is announcing it in the paper 1894:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/725349?page=4&term=Devedelazs

Agathe Devedelazs accepted in the Jyväskylä teacher seminary (at the time the biggest an most important institution for the subject in Finland) in 1896: https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/561263?page=2&term=Dewedelazs

Agathe Devedelazs graduates 9.10.1900:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/568485?page=3&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/594399?term=Devedelazs&page=5

Signe Devedelzs engaged 1907:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/760795?page=1&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/700498?page=1&term=DEVEDELAZS

Death of teacher Aggi Devedelazs 11.1.1911:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/800916?page=1&term=Devedelazs

Devedelazs is hiring a young servant girl (in 2 line 31, building on the yard):
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1196713?page=15&term=Devedelazs

Death of Ida Dahlström (relative of Signe Devedelazs' husband evidently) 11.10.1925:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1394366?page=1&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1506438?page=3&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1021594?page=1&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1425258?page=2&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1059509?page=2&term=Devedelazs
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1429497?page=2&term=Devedelazs

Anteroinen
18-01-19, 08:47
Making a less strict search the following also popped up:

Devedelazs family is renting out a room in Skarpskyttegatan 31 (Sharpshooter's Street) 1886:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/376459?page=4&term=Devedelasz

Next several links relevant to Maria Devedelazs (born 1870) studying in the Business School of Helsinki 1886-1887:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/45498?page=9&term=Devedelasz
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/45498?page=11&term=Devedelasz
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/446582?page=2&term=Dewedelasz
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/17575?page=2&term=Devedelasz
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/377763?page=2&term=Dewedelaoz&term=Dewedelasz
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/46940?page=3&term=Devedelasz

A letter has arrived in the post office for Aggi Devedelazs in 1898:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/524358?page=4&term=Dewedelatz

Miss A. Devedelazs has visited a bathing house in July of 1900:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/812975?page=3&term=Devedelayzs

Agathe Devedelazs has been chosen as the teacher in Hirvikoski primary school:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/748552?page=3&term=Dcvedelay6
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/739859?page=2&term=Dewedelays
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/591732?page=2&term=Devedelays
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/612118?page=2&term=Devedelays

A dark green money purse found by Devedelazs in 1901:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/753215?page=8&term=Devedelays

Susanna Devedelazs was put in quarantine for typhoid fever 16.9.1915 (60 years old, widow, living in Pitkäsillanranta 17):
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1197962?page=4&term=Devedelark

Sanni Devedelazs from Helsinki gave 100 markka to the 1918 Memorial Fund:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1257164?page=1&term=Dewedclazf

Death of Susanna Devedelazs 31.8.1927 in Helsinki aged 79:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1714193?term=Devedelags&page=2

CateG
18-01-19, 09:28
Thank you! Kiitos! Tämä auttoi paljon!!

Anteroinen
22-01-19, 19:49
Signe's husband Einari Laaksovirta seems like an interesting personality based on the papers. He seems to have been heavily involved in left-wing politics during a very politically unstable time and chiefly did his work in court helping such cases along. I am honestly unable to list them all, but here are some of the first I found.

Einari Dahlström changes him name to Einari Laaksovirta on 1.5.1903:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/695204?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/695206?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

Einari Laaksovirta chosen as an auscultant (trainee) in Turku Hovrätt (Royal Court) late 1911:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1157561?page=3&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

The sosialist party is going to create some sort of an internal advising body, which will be managed by Einari Laaksovirta 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1196787?page=6&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Einari Laaksovirta helps sue several newspapers for the defamation of Juho Järvinen and K. Virta, 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1327855?page=1&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirran
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1333982?page=4&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirran
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/783254?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1333982?page=4&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirran
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/783290?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

Einari Laaksovirta helps sue a company for unpaid wages 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187962?page=8&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirran
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187941?page=6&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirran
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1323141?page=3&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Einari Laaksovirta helps sue the "mocking paper Kurikka" in 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187969?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

Einari Laaksovirta advertizes free legal advice for workers in 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187974?page=1&term=EINARI&term=LAAKSOVIRTA

Einari Laaksovirta helps in the Sippola-case (another defamation related case) in 1912:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187993?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Einari Laaksovirta helps in a case where a workers' contract had been annulled in 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187271?page=6&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Einari Laaksovirta to be the leader of the Worker's Legal Advice Office:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1238709?page=3&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1282805?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Einari Laaksovirta helps working women sue their bosses 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187311?page=4&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

EL checked the accounts of The Worker's Bank in Helsinki, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187320?page=5&term=EINARI&term=LAAKSOVIRTA

Another contract case 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1187330?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

EL helps sue the chief of police in Pori, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1267095?page=1&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

EL helps sue the chief of police in Hämeenlinna, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1267095?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

More contract issues, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/783420?page=6&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1175508?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1194849?page=6&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1176137?page=7&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

EL helps write a complaint for a workers contract agreement case, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1323308?page=4&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

Helsingin Sanomat respons to EL's accusations in previous:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/882789?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirta

EL helps in a case of police violence, 1913:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1283418?page=2&term=Einari&term=Laaksowirran

And so on. There's probably hundreds of articles that mention him and dozens of cases involving workers' rights he was instrumental in. I will bring this article up though:

https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1256184?page=3&term=Einari&term=Laaksovirta

It mentioned that he has fled into Switzerland after the civil war. Here is a Finnish Wikipedia article about him: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einari_Laaksovirta

CateG
22-01-19, 21:33
Yes, he is a very interesting man. I also wonder what happened to their son Otso..
And Signes sister Agathe again, was married to Otto Wilhelm Lappalainen. Have found their children but not grandchildren.
It seems so strange that their mother Sanna-Brita moved from Ostrobothnia to Helsinki...wonder why and what she did there etc. Her brother was a "famous" painter in Ostrobothnia, "Målar-Petter"..he had been in both Helsinki and St Petersburg, so I guess he had friends there where Sanna-Brita could go. And how she met this Devedelazs! Would there be an ad for their engagement/marriage in kansallisark.. So many questions. All I have is that my grandmother remembered Signe, she csme by train to Jepua to visit, and she was such a beautiful and stylish woman. My granny was a little girl then.

Anteroinen
22-01-19, 23:06
I actually found it by accident, just now. In the very bottom corner of this paper marriage of Bartolomei Dividilas and Sanna Brita Pensar, 10.2.1870:

https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/378421?page=1&term=sanna&term=Pensar

Anteroinen
23-01-19, 00:18
This inspired me to make a search for Dividil* in the papers, and I did find new interesting results:

Death of Signe Tentura Diwidilas ca. 6.10.1882:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/442096?page=4&term=Diwidilas

Engagement of Agata Alexandra Dividilas ca. 1.10.1900:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/748566?page=4&term=Dividilas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/568408?page=4&term=Dividilas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/542550?page=4&term=Dividilas

Marriage of Agata Alexandra Dividilas ca. 22.10.1900:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/536013?page=4&term=Dividilas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/572740?page=4&term=Dividilas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/553031?page=4&term=Dividilas

Death of Maria's husband Ferdinand Sandberg 15.3.1915:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1243424?page=3 (first column under the heading "kuolleita")
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1353069?term=Diwidilos&page=2

I also went for Devidil* and got Signe's marriage announcements again:

https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/768157?page=10&term=Devidilus
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/752048?page=7&term=Devidilus

Then I went for Devidel* and hit a jackpot:

Bartolomei Devidelush apprehended for attempted robbery in 1887:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/433393?page=3&term=Devidelash
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/124339?page=3&term=Devidelasb

Also, again, Signe's marriage:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/768129?page=6&term=Devidelas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/758438?page=6&term=Dcvidelas

And Sanna's death:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1734653?page=4&term=Devidelas
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/1534833?page=11&term=Devidelas

CateG
25-01-19, 08:45
Thank you so much for all the new information! Would there be a place to check if Bartolomei had other crimes on his list? And I also have the wrong date of death for him, everywhere it says 1878 but he had a daughter (Signe) in 1884 and did burglary in 1880 😆...

So Maria and Ferdinand had children, now I will look for them :)

Anteroinen
25-01-19, 16:27
I imagine it would be easiest to check prison and interrogation books from around that time in the National Archives. That's how I did my similar research, anyway. This book (a register of fines and interrogations): http://www.narc.fi:8080/VakkaWWW/Selaus.action?kuvailuTaso=AY&avain=1325887.KA in the National Archives should have more information about this particular crime. Since he didn't succeed, I doubt he went to jail, but the Helsinki County Jail registers (http://www.narc.fi:8080/VakkaWWW/Selaus.action?kuvailuTaso=SARJA&avain=35548.KA) and Helsinki City Jail registers (http://www.narc.fi:8080/VakkaWWW/Selaus.action?kuvailuTaso=SARJA&avain=34416.KA) in the National Archives would be very easy to check year by year as well - provided you can go there. The city (or central) jail would be for harder crimes than the county jail. Simple criminal registers became a thing at some point in the mid 1920s, so I doubt anything like that exists for him, since he died at least before 1915.

Also, yes, I imagine Bartolomei was born ca. 1850 and died in the 1890s or so, based on the quite skint information we have.