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3rdgenfinn
22-08-04, 04:15
My great grandparents were John Ostman and Hulda Nessman. I think they came from Vaasa Finland. John had a brother he was seperated from when they were orphaned. I know John spent time in Michigan and Minnesota before coming to San Francisco. My mother thinks he and Hulda were married in Bessemer, Michigan about 1906. I have pictures of Hulda in Ironwood and Bessemer Michigan. Thanks in advance for any information.
Lisa

P-E Berglund
22-08-04, 15:21
Hello

Do You have John's date of birth? I have one Johan Israel Östman in my database who left Finland in 1901.

regards Per-Erik Berglund

granskare
23-08-04, 02:47
From Swenson Swedish Immigration Center microfilms, I found as members John Östman (b. Aug 20 1871 parish Oravais) and wife Maria (no maiden name given)(b. May 20 1870 parish Oravais) with emigration dates for each of 1892. Likely not your ancestors.
I did not find anybody on the Ironwood members listing by these names. I will be able to check at Swenson next week for marital records for Bessemer and Ironwood.

Chuck

3rdgenfinn
23-08-04, 07:20
His birthdate was 4 April 1877. On the 1920 census it looked like he immigrated in 1896 but I couldn't find him in Ellis Island. My grandmother was born in San Francisco in 1909 so I know he and Hulda were there by then. My great uncle said he thought he did some logging and something to do with the fire department while he was in the Michigan and Minnesota area.
Thank you for your replys:p

Henrik.Mangs
23-08-04, 07:41
These Östman I have in my database.
Östman, Johan Israel Abrahamsson.
Born 19/9 1877 in Bergö.
Biography

Moved away Ogift, 19/4 1901 from Bergö.
Moved in Ogift, 19/4 1901 to Amerika.
Father Östman, Abraham Jonasson.
Bonde.
Born 20/3 1847 in Bergö.
Died 17/2 1921 in Bergö.
Mother Stark, Maja Beata Johansdtr..
Born 11/10 1854 in Bergö.
Died 16/3 1929 in Bergö.

WBR
Henrik Mangs

3rdgenfinn
23-08-04, 08:35
Henrik, thank you for your reply, I don't think this is my John. My great uncle is pretty sure he and his brother were orphaned when they were young, and seperated.

staffan
23-08-04, 10:09
A passport was issued in 1896 to a Johannes (the name may easily transform to John in the US) Östman, farmer's son from Petalax who was born in 1877 and probably emigrated in 1896. (Almost invariably they emigrated within a couple of weeks after the date of the passport)

Detailed passport information from the Emigrant Register of the Institute of Migration:

Last name
Östman

First names
Johannes
Other names
*
Date of birth
. .1877
Marital status
*
Religion
*
Occupation
Taloll. pka
Home parish
Petolahti
Province
VAA
Passport date
20.03.1896
Passport number
575
Passport valid (year:month)
3:0
Destination
Amerikka
Passport issued by
VAA
Remarks
*

Somewhat curiously there is a person with the same data, to whom a passport was issued again in 1898. Did he return to Finland to fetch a friend or relative?

Detailed passport information

Last name
Östman

First names
Johannes
Other names
*
Date of birth
. .1877
Marital status
*
Religion
*
Occupation
Taloll. pka
Home parish
Petolahti
Province
VAA
Passport date
24.11.1898
Passport number
1574
Passport valid (year:month)
1:0
Destination
Amerikka
Passport issued by
VAA
Remarks
*

Regards,

staffan
23-08-04, 10:37
The name Näsman can be found from Petalax in HisKi, but it covers only christened until 1880 so if Hulda Nessman (Näsman?) was born after 1880 she is not yet in the database.

Regards,

Henrik.Mangs
23-08-04, 19:40
These is from the Church record book in Solf.
The book from 1873-82 page 48.

Johannes Jonasson Östman
born 4/4 1877

father Jonas Jionas-Hermansson Östman (Hemming)
born 13/9 1838
died 11/4 1877

mother Beata Sofia Mattsdotter Pått
born 3/8 1846
died 30/1 1881

brother August
born 18/7 1876

sister Mathilda Sofia
born 2/4 1874

WBR
Henrik Mangs

staffan
23-08-04, 21:22
Johannes J. Ostman, 17 years of age, can be found from the Ellis Island archive, arriving on the Britannic from Liverpool on April 13, 1895, so, if the year of emigration was 1895 instead of 1896, the Johannes Jonasson Östman from Solf found by Henrik M. is probably the same man and he may certainly be your ggf.

Regards,

Karen Norwillo
23-08-04, 22:01
On the 1930 Census for Oakland, Alameda, CA, I found the family of John Ostman on lines 66-71. Ostman, John, age 53, married at age 32, Finland, spoke Swedish, emigrated 1896, carpenter.
Wife, Anna, age 50, 29 at marriage, Finland, Swedish, emigrated 1897. Daughters, Ethel, age 21, born CA., bookkeeper.
Annette, age 17 and son, Stanley, age 10. On line 71, Burns, Hilda, sister-in-law, age 56, widowed, married at 30, Finland, spoke Swedish, no date of emigration.
On the California Death Index 1940-1997..Ostman, John
born 4Apr1877, other country, died 9Apr1949, Alameda county, CA. No surname for mother, father-Ostman
Hope this helps. Seems like Hulda (Hilda) was his wife's sister.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
24-08-04, 01:05
On the 1910 census, there is a John Ostman in San Francisco, age 33. There are alot of pages to search. If you can give me an address, maybe I can find him. Ancestry.com says it's on series T624, roll 95 part 3 page 211A. Unfortunately, unless you can narrow down the address, I would have to search all of SF. I also found an Anna Ostman in the CA Death Index in Alameda died 28 Sept 1965.
On the 1920 census for Oakland, Alameda, CA, there is the family of John Ostman again. Wife is Anna I. He is again a carpenter.
There is also in Oakland, a Burns, Charles, age 58, emigrated 1880, Finland, spoke Swedish, a stevedore on the docks. Wife Hilda, age 47, looks like 1897, Finland, Swedish. No children.
They are also found on the 1910 census for Bisbee, Cochise, AZ. Hopes this helps. Karen

3rdgenfinn
24-08-04, 11:14
Thank you Staffan, This looks like it very well could be my John. Your help is greatly appreciated!:p

3rdgenfinn
24-08-04, 11:26
Henrik and Karen Thank you both also!:p
Karen the Oakland and San Francisco John Ostman is my ggrandfather. Anna Irene was my step ggrandmother and Hilda Burns was her sister. I didn't realize she had been in AZ.

granskare
24-08-04, 18:51
I checked Swenson's microfilms for 6 churches in the Ironwood and Bessemer area and did not find them listed in marriage records.
Only 2 churches had records in the early 1900s so not a complete picture for you. They may well have gotten married with a justice of the peace or maybe in a Finnish language church but they are not listed at a Swedish lang church.

Chuck

3rdgenfinn
25-08-04, 06:25
Thank You Chuck

Karen Norwillo
25-08-04, 19:16
On the New York Passenger Lists 1851-1891, I found the following...Hulda Nesman, arrived 11 Apr 1891, age 19, female, embarked from Liverpool and Queenstown, England, place of origin Norway, SS Britannic, destination Besmark (Bismark) Dakota

3rdgenfinn
26-08-04, 03:03
Thank You Karen:D