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Juha
02-12-04, 11:17
Thanks for many nice emails regarding Ms. Aurora Gustafsson. I have traced her family now its time for another question:

Could anyone tell me something about the villages Biskop and Snåre, located in Kronoby (Kruunupyy in Finnish).

I would like to know which houses there were during the years 1750-1810 and who were the head of the families.

I have checked the parish books but I havent enough information to locate some of my ancestors.


I do know that this is a too complicated question but I will give it a try !

Yours

Juha

Hasse Andtbacka
02-12-04, 15:14
Both Snåre and Biskop were big farms with several families living on the land. There lived also crofters, craftsmen, farmers hands etc. Could you please give information about the persons you seek, we have the church records as microfiches at home.

Hasse Andtbacka
living in Kronoby

Juha
02-12-04, 15:33
4.11.1791 Snåre Bonde Sonen Anders Hansson _ Bonde dottren Magdlena Anders dr. _ Biskop


"Snåre bonden" Anders Hansson and "Biskop Bonde dottren" Magdlena (Malin) Andersdotter were married in 4th of November 1791.

I suppose that Malin was born in 1769 but I am not sure about it. I dont know the birth date of Anders Hansson


With many thanks in advance


Juha Vuorela
www.saunalahti.fi/varola

Hasse Andtbacka
02-12-04, 16:02
Hello.

here is the ahnentafel:

1. Anders Hansson Biskop Snåre, b. 26-06-1770 in Söderby, Kronoby, d. 13-08-1847.
He married Magdalena Andersdr Bäck, married 04-11-1791 in Kronoby, b. 20-10-1772 in Bråtö, Kronoby.

Parents

2. Hans Johansson Snåre Broända Spik, b. 29-04-1725 in Övrebråtö, Kronoby, d. 01-09-1802 in Snåre. He married Anna Henriksdr Spijk, married 10-10-1748 in Kronoby.

3. Anna Henriksdr Spijk, b. 21-11-1728 in Övre bråtö, Kronoby.

Grand Parents

4. Johan Hansson Broända Lybäck, b. 22-12-1698 in Övrebråtö, Kronoby, d. 15-01-1765. He married Chirstin Michelsdr Broända, married in Kronoby.

5. Chirstin Michelsdr Broända, b. 05-08-1708 in Övrebråtö, Kronoby, d. 27-06-1764.

6. Henrik Johansson Spiik, b. 21-01-1699 in Kronoby, d. 05-09-1766. He married Maria Andersdr Spiik, married in Kronoby.

7. Maria Andersdr Spiik, b. in Spik, Kronoby, d. 19-04-1766.

Great Grand Parents

8. Hans Larsson Lybeck, b. 1665 in Övre-bråtö, Kronoby. He married Karin Mattsdr Finnilä, married in Kronoby.

9. Karin Mattsdr Finnilä, b. 1665 in Kronoby.

10. Michel Jacobsson Broända Björk, b. 1672 in Påras, Kronoby, d. 1720. He married Christin Mattsdr Broända, married in Kronoby.

11. Christin Mattsdr Broända, b. 23-01-1673 in Övre bråtö, Kronoby, d. 26-02-1758.

14. Anders Andersson Spiik, b. 1655 in Övre bråtö å Spik, Kronoby. He married Carin Larsdr Byskata, married in Kronoby.

15. Carin Larsdr Byskata, b. 1659 in Övre bråtö, Kronoby, d. 1743.

Great Great Grand Parents

16. Lars Mattsson Lybeck, b. 1638 in Kronoby. He married Lisa Hansdr Lybeck, married in Kronoby.

17. Lisa Hansdr Lybeck, b. 1647 in Övre-bråtö, Kronoby, d. 1698.

18. Matts Mattsson Finnilä, b. 1623 in Finnilä, Kronoby. He married Ingrid Knutsdr Merijärvi, married in Kronoby.

19. Ingrid Knutsdr Merijärvi, b. 1626 in Merjärv, Kronoby.

20. Jacob Andersson Björk Biörkebo, b. 1620 in Påras, Kronoby. He married Brita Grelsdr Kankkonen, married in Kronoby.

21. Brita Grelsdr Kankkonen, b. 1631 in Karleby.

22. Matz Michelsson Broända, b. 1639 in Övre bråtö, Kronoby, d. 1690. He married Anna Carlsdr Broända, married in Kronoby.

23. Anna Carlsdr Broända, b. 1643 in Kronoby, d.

30. Lars Olofsson Byskata, b. 1618 in Påras, Kronoby. He married Margareta Mattsdr Byskata, married in Kronoby.

31. Margareta Mattsdr Byskata, b. 1619 in Kronoby.

3rd Great Grand Parents

34. Hans Jönsson Lybeck, b. 1616 in Kronoby. He married Hebla Persdr Lybeck, married in Kronoby.

35. Hebla Persdr Lybeck, b. 1614 in Övre-bråtö, Kronoby.

36. Matts Andersson Finnilä, b. 1583 in Söderpåras, Kronoby.

40. Anders Andersson Björkebo, b. 1574 in Påras, Kronoby.

42. Grels Olofsson Kankkonen, b. 1610 in Rödsö, Karleby, d. 1685. He married Sara Mattsdr Kankkonen, married in Karleby.

43. Sara Mattsdr Kankkonen, b. 1611 in Karleby, d. 1685.

44. Michel Olsson Broända, b. 1617 in Kronoby. He married Brita Matzsdr Broända, married in Kronoby.

45. Brita Matzsdr Broända, b. 1621 in Övre bråtö, Kronoby.

60. Olof Persson Byskata, b. 1582 in Påras, Kronoby.

4th Great Grand Parents

68. Jöns Jönsson Lybeck, b. 1581 in Kronoby. He married Gertrud Lybeck, married in Karleby.

69. Gertrud Lybeck, b. 1585 in Kronoby.

70. Per Andersson Lybeck, b. 1583 in Kronoby. He married Karin Lybeck, married in Kronoby.

71. Karin Lybeck, b. 1584 in Övre-bråtö, Kronoby.

72. Anders Nilsson Finnilä, b. 1554 in Söderpåras, Kronoby.

80. Anders Jönsson Björkeboo, b. 1535 in Påras, Kronoby.

84. Olof Grelsson Kankkonen, b. 1590 in Rödsö, Karleby.

120. Per Larsson Byskata, b. 1560 in Påras, Kronoby.


Hasse A

Juha
02-12-04, 16:45
Well Hasse,

I am speechless and that is not happening often, I promise!

So, thanks !


Juha

Hasse Andtbacka
02-12-04, 18:59
You'r welcome, and you are allowed to speak :D

A good database containing most of the people in Kronoby and Terjärv helps a lot.

Here is a bonus:

- Magdalena Bäck's parents are Anders Jacobsson Bäck, b. 6.11.1720 in Kronoby, d. 2.4.1796. He married Carin Jacobsdr Bäck, born 1738 in Kronoby. They married 1762.

Hasse A

Juha
06-12-04, 17:25
Hasse,

I took a close look at this family and this is kind of different what I have found out from "Hiski" and from www.lymanjohnson.com website:

Anders Hansson, born in 26.6.1770 Söderpåras, Kronoby seemsto be a child of Hans Hansson Skuthälla (1727-1790) and his wife Anna Johansdotter Haga (Merijärvi 1736-1805).

Please, could you clarify - did I misunderstand your original family chart?

Juha

Hasse
06-12-04, 17:52
Juha,

The Lyman data probably isn't as correct as Hasse Andtbacka's data. I sent Lyman some data a number of years ago where there with lots of data that now has been corrected. After Lyman died nothing has been done to the data.

You should rely more on Hasse Andtbacka's material in this case!

Hasse Nygård

Hasse Andtbacka
06-12-04, 19:52
Hold on a minute, I guess Lyman Johnson was right this time. HisKi says that born in Kronoby 26.6.1770 is Anders, son to Hans Hansson Skuthälla and his wife Anna Johansdr!!

The Cronoby database needs a correction here, thank you Juha for this information.

I will return when the correction is made (and the President's ball is over).

Hasse Andtbacka

K-G Molander
07-12-04, 02:08
Below are some information extracted from my own database.


2. Anders HANSSON, born on 26 Jun 1770 in Skuthälla, Kronoby. Died2 on 13 Aug 1847 in Biskop, Kronoby. He married Magdlena ANDERSDOTTER (from Biskop according to marriage entry) on 4 Nov 1791 in Kronoby.

Kronoby Parish Communion Books:
1772 - 1777 page 5, Snåre
1778 - 1783 page 5, 95
1784 - 1790 page 6
1791 - 1797 page 5, 23, 77 ......... Found married on page 77.
1803 - 1808 page 116
1825 - 1831 page 154



3. Magdlena ANDERSDOTTER, born on 28 Nov 1773 in Snåre, Kronoby. Died on 6 Apr 1843 in Biskop, Kronoby.

Sources:

1. Lutheran State Church, Kronoby Parish History Books (Birth, Marriage and Burial records), Family History Library, 35 N. West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA, film # 67029, copy 55610.Births records begins in 1738. Marriage records begins in 1738, Burial records begins in 1710.
2. Biskop Bonden, Enkl, f.d. Sexman Anders Hansson. Age given as 73y 9m 2d.
3. Sexman Anders Biskops hustru Magdalena Andersdr.
Died of "Colik". Age given as 69y 4m 26d.



4. Hans HANSSON, born on 10 Feb 1727 in Skuthälla, Kronoby. Died on 20 Nov 1790 in Båga, Kronoby. He married Anna JOHANSDOTTER on 24 Jun 1763 in Skuthälla, Kronoby.

Kronoby Parish Communion books:
1732 - 1738 Skuthälla
1739 - 1744 Skuthälla
1745 - 1752 Skuthälla
1753 - 1759 Skuthälla............ Birthdate found in this period.
1772 - 1777 page 28, Båga or Bagge.
1778 - 1783 page 5
1784 - 1790 page 28
1791 - 1797 page 23



5. Anna JOHANSDOTTER, born in Oct 1736 in Kronoby. Died on 19 Oct 1805 in Skuthälla, Kronoby.

In Kronoby Communion books 1753-1759 and 1760-1765; found as "Piga i Merijärvi". These are the
earliest record of her I have found. Place of birth unknown. The book of marriage also says her to serve in Merijärvi.
Died of "slag".



6. Anders MATTSSON, born on 10 Oct 1740 in Snåre, Kronoby. Died on 8 Jun 1808 in Biskop, Kronoby. Married Margareta JOHANSDOTTER on 27 Oct 1765 in Rudnäs, Kronoby.

Kronoby Parish Communion Books:
1816 - 1822 page 151
1803 - 1808 page 116
1796 - 1802 page 120 Snåre, Påras.
1791 - 1797 page 77
1784 - 1790 page 93
1778 - 1783 page 5 Snåre. Moves in the year 1780 to page 95 Biskop, Hopsala.
1772 - 1777 page 5, Snåre, Påras.
1766 - 1771 Snåre #5



7. Margareta JOHANSDOTTER, born on 19 Aug 1747 in Rudnäs, Kronoby. Died on 11 Jun 1808 in Biskop, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland.

In the birth records, mothers name is written as Anna Eriksdotter. This is an error! Correct entry should have been Anna Johansdotter.

Juha
07-12-04, 11:17
Thank you

Your references were really good - it will help me a lot when making further investigation of this family


Juha

Hasse Andtbacka
07-12-04, 14:01
Hello again,

Anders Hansson is without birth day or with his wife's birth date in all the referred communion books. There is no evidence in the church records in Kronoby that Anders Hansson Skuthälla is the correct person.

Our genealogy group will take a closer look at this Anders Hansson. A qualified guess today is, that he is Anders Hansson Backa, b. 26.6.1770 in Öja, Karleby.

Hasse Andtbacka

Juha
07-12-04, 14:13
Very interesting case!

I am eagerly waiting for further comments.

Sometimes you will find no one and then you will find a group of people who all are qualifying to be your ancestor :)

Juha
10-02-05, 20:52
Hasse,

Any news about this Anders Hansson??


Juha

June Pelo
10-02-05, 22:08
According to Släkten Skuthälla i Kronoby, släktgren 6, by Frans Lillsunde, Hans Hansson Skuthälla, 1727-1790, married twice. #1 in 1749 to Margeta Larsdotter Holgers and they had 10 children. He remarried 1763 to Anna Johansdotter Haga, 1736-1805. They had 5 children, one of whom was Anders Hansson Skuthälla, b. 26 Jul 1770, married 1791 to Malin Jacobsdotter. He gives no further data on this couple. If this is the same Anders Hansson being discussed, then the names of the wives do not agree.

June

Hasse Andtbacka
10-02-05, 23:06
This is the family on Backa, Öja 1776-1781:

father Hans Johansson b. 29.4.1725
mother Anna Henriksdr b. 21.11.1728
d. Brita Hansdr b. 7.8.1750
married to Matts Carlsson 22.2.1749
s. Henrik b. 1.9.1756
d. Margareta b. ?.12.1764
s. Anders b. 26.6.1770

The family moved from Öja 1776.

In Kronoby Communion book, Snåre 1784-1790:

Hans Johansson b. 29.4.1725
hu. Anna Henriksdr b. 21.11.1728
s. Henrik b. 1.9.1756
hu. Carin Christophersdr b. 8.6.1757 d.
2 hu. Carin Michelsdr
s. Anders Hansson b. 26.6.1770

So the family came from Öja, Karleby.

Hasse Andtbacka

Juha
11-02-05, 11:17
If anyone wants to look any further , here is my "work version" of my mother's ancestors:

www.saunalahti.fi/varola/matilda


Juha

K-G Molander
13-02-05, 05:41
Thanks to Hasse, I myself got on the right track. Below is some of my findings:


Ahnentafel Chart for Anders HANSSON


First Generation

1. Anders HANSSON-3568 was born1 on 26 Jun 1770 in Backa, Öja, Karleby, Vasa, Finland. He was christened on 26 Jun 1770 in Backa, Öja, Karleby, Vasa, Finland.

Kronoby Parish Communion Books:
1791 - 1797 Snåre, page 5 ..... Found married. Moves 1791 to Biskop, page 95.
1803 - 1808 page 116
1825 - 1831 page 154

Anders married (MRIN:179) Magdlena ANDERSDOTTER-792 daughter of Anders MATTSSON-1066 and Margareta JOHANSDOTTER-1062 (MRIN:245) on 4 Nov 1791 in Biskop, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. Magdlena was born2 on 28 Nov 1773 in Snåre, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She was christened on 1 Dec 1773 in Snåre, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She died3 on 6 Apr 1843 in Biskop, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She was buried on 17 Apr 1843 in Kronoby, Vasa, Finland.

Sources
1. Lutheran Church of Finland, Karleby Parish History Books (Birth, Marriage and Burial records), Family History Library, 35 N. West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA, film # 67072, copy 55595.Begins year 1721.
2. Lutheran State Church, Kronoby Parish History Books (Birth, Marriage and Burial records), Family History Library, 35 N. West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA, film # 67029, copy 55610.Births records begins in 1738. Marriage records begins in 1738, Burial records begins in 1710.
3. Lutheran State Church, Kronoby Parish History Books.Sexman Anders Biskops hustru Magdalena Andersdr. Died of "Colik". Age given as 69y 4m 26d.


Second Generation

2. Hans JOHANSSON-2149 was born on 29 Apr 1725 in Broända, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. He died on 1 Sep 1802 in Snåre. He married MRIN:532 Anna HENRIKSDOTTER-2144 on 10 Oct 1748 in Kronoby, Vasa, Finland.

Kronoby Parish Communion Books:
1732 - 1738 Spik and Broända .........Son in Law on Spik farm.
1739 - 1745 Spik and Broända
1746 - 1752 Spik and Broända ......... birth dates found in this period.
1753 - 1759 Spik ........ Last entry in 1757.

Karleby Parish Communion Books:
1756 - 1762 Backa ......... The family arrives in 1757 from Spik. First entry in 1758.
1763 - 1769 Backa
1770 - 1775 Backa, page 37

Kronoby Parish Communion Books:
1784 - 1790 Snåre, page 6 ........ The family arrives in 1785 from Backa.
1791 - 1797 Snåre, page 5
1798 - 1802 Snåre, page 11.... Husband and wife found dead on this page.

3. Anna HENRIKSDOTTER-2144 was born on 21 Nov 1728 in Spik, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland.

Only marriage year available in the Book of Marriage. The date was created by observing its possition
in the Marriage records.


Third Generation

4. Johan HANSSON-2812 was born1 on 22 Dec 1698 in Lybeck, Bråtö, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. He died on 15 Jan 1765 in Broända. He married MRIN:725 Cherstin MICHELSDOTTER-2813.

Son in Law on Broända farm.
Some of the information is from Hans Erik Krokfors collection of genealogies.

Kronoby Parish Communion books:
1732 - 1738 Broända
1739 - 1745 Broända
1746 - 1752 Broända ......... birth dates found in this period.

5. Cherstin MICHELSDOTTER-2813 was born on 5 Aug 1708 in Broända, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She died on 15 Jun 1764.

Kronoby Parish Communion books: 1732 - 1738 Broända, Bråttö.
Parents: Michel and Chirstin Mattsdotter?

6. Henrik JOHANSSON-2142 was born on 21 Jan 1700 in Skrubbacka, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. He died on 5 Sep 1766 in Spik, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. He was buried on 21 Sep 1766 in Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. He married MRIN:531 Maria ANDERSDOTTER-2143 in 1723 in Kronoby.

Kronoby Parish Communion Book:
1732 - 1738 Spik Hendr., Bråtö.
1739 - 1745 Spik, Bråtö.
1746 - 1752 Spik.

From Skrubbacka according to Hans Erik Krokfors. Son in Law on Spik. Marriage date also from Hans
Erik Krokfors. His age is recorded as 66y 7m 2v 1d.

7. Maria ANDERSDOTTER-2143 was born in Mar 1689 in Spik, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She died on 19 Apr 1766 in Spik, Kronoby, Vasa, Finland. She was buried on 4 May 1766 in Kronoby, Vasa, Finland.

Age recorded as 77y 1m. Birth date 25 Mar 1689 is found in IGI. Born on Spik.
Received from Alf Blomqvist.

Sources

1. Börje Vestö, Database Cronoby., A collection of genealogies in Kronoby parish, Finland.

syrene
15-02-05, 05:42
Birgit Björklund, lives near Snåre and has written an excellent genealogy about her area, has an incredible collection of information about Snåre, but unfortunately she's not on email, so far as I know. Is there any way you could phone her? She's a lovely person and extremely knowledgeable.
Syrene

Juha
25-02-05, 09:22
for some reason I was not aware that my query has got so nice answers. my humble thanks for Hasse and others!

Juha