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bbj
04-10-05, 06:20
Do you recognize this home from Finland in these pictures from postcards sent about 1945-1955?
This would be the brother, his daughter and family related to Isak (Isaac) Haanpaa, b 1-2-1880, Ilmajoki Finland (One family record says b 1-1-1880, Tuomikylla however), emmigrated 1903 and his son was Emil of Northern Minnesota. Isak was married to Susonna Katri Pihlaja (aka Pihlajaniemi), b 11-28-1879, Ilmajoki Finland.
Isak was my great grand-father, and I'm unable to find anything about the family/where he came from even though I've been told that relatives visited and corresponded from Finland.
Thank you for any help!
The house is supposed to be 'close to downtown'. Caretaker lives upstairs and they live down. they had lived there 15 years as of the photo and fixed up the home.
BBJ

bbj
04-10-05, 06:25
Haanpaa's of Ilmajoki, Finland
This was their (whomever they are?) first home when married. girl with the scarf took care of the house it said. She was employed by them for 37 years.
BBJ

bbj
04-10-05, 06:26
This was their father's 80th birthday picture, taken in their parents home. Mother died at age 80 it says. Father was still alive for 16 years after she passed away.

bbj
30-11-05, 01:51
The elder man was the brother of my great grandfather, who remained in Finland...according to a letter I just found of my grandfathers. My Great grandfather was Isak Haanpaa,
The woman was his daughter, and her name was Elma Haanpaa (Maiden name), born abt 1901.
The home is Vaasa, tuomi, Kasarminkatu? # __ (I have a number but am not sure I should post that?)

Kaisu Mikkelä
19-04-06, 00:46
Hello Brenda, have you found your Haanpaa-reatives in Vaasa?

Kaisu Mikkelä

bbj
19-04-06, 06:24
I have been unable to find anything out!? Totally stuck!
My grandma, Vienna Helia Nahkala...married Emil Matias (Matthew) Haanpaa, son of Isak/Isaac Haanpaa. Isak is the one who immigrated to US and left that brother behind that I'm trying to find the family of, etc. as I don't know much of anything beyond knowing their names, birthdates and birthplaces, etc.

Kaisu Mikkelä
20-04-06, 02:48
Hello Brenda,
perhaps you have to send email-message to Ilmajoki and there to the Church office?

Kaisu

Kaisu Mikkelä

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 02:15
:) Brenda, I have good news.

I went to the regional archives and there were history books and
communion books of Ilmajoki during 1850-1898!!!!

In history books (born) of Ilmajoki I found :

8. January, 1880, was born Iisakki. Father itsellinen Johan Matsson Haanpää , mother Kaisa Matsdotter. Godfather and –mother were cottager Iisakki Kohtamäki and his wife Kustaava. He was christened by preast C.R. Forsman.

28. August,1879, was born Susanna Katharina. Father farmer Mats Jacobsson Röyskö, mother Susanna Isaksdotter. Godfather and –mother farmer Jacob Röyskö and wife Susanna. Communion book page 918.

Itsellinen = he has not his own house, and he is not tenant farmer, too.

Kaisu

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 02:35
I found these:

Ilmajoki
Communion book page 918, 1889-1898
Röyskölä village
Farm number 1 , Pihlaja Röyskö, 1/24 manttaalia (=assessment unit for land, tax)
Farmer Mats Jacobson born 28.5.1854 Ilmajoki, Come from Old book page 918. Certificate 3.4.1891 for moving to Amerika.
Wife Susanna Isaksd. born 3.5.(or 9.5.)1853 Ilmajoki
Daughter Maria Sofia born 25.6.1878¨ Ilmajoki
Susanna Katarina born 20. (or 28.)10.1879 Ilmajoki
Anna Mathilda born 16.12.1889 Ilmajoki
Hilja born 19.12.1889, died 19.5.1990 (?), Ilmajoki

If you like, I can send copies. In the archive there is the machine, which takes copies of Communion book (film).

Do you think, that Mats Jacobsson ja wife Susanna moved to Amerika or perhaps they came back to Finland?

Kaisu

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 02:53
I found also these:

Ilmajoki
Communion book page 918, 1878-1887
Röyskölä village
Farm Yli Röyskö
Pihlaja Röyskö
Pihlajaniemi (drew out)
Cottager,widover
Jacob Salomonsson born 7. September, 1810 Röyskö, come from old book page 782

Daughter Maria born 25.3.1859, gone page 875

Farmer
Married son, 1/24 manttaali (=assessment unit for land, tax)
Mats Jacobson born 28.5.1854 Ojanperä, Come from Old book page 782
Wife Sanna Isaksd. Born 3.5.1853Röyskö,Come from Old book page 782
Children:
Maria Sofia born 25.6.1878 Röyskö
Susanna Satarina born 28.10.1879 Röyskö
Anna Matilta born 16.12.1881 Röyskö
Hilja Elisabet born 12.6.1885 Röyskö,died 7.7.1886
Hilja born 14.6.1887 ,died 14.6.1887

Kaisu


Hilja Elisabet 12.6.1885 Röyskö,died 7.7.1886
Hilja 14.6.1887 ,died 14.6.1887

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 03:14
Brenda, I found these yet.

Ilmajoki
Communion book page 782, 1868-1877
Röyskölä village
Yli Röyskö

Cottager
Jacob Salomonsson Pihlajaniemi, born 7. September, 1810 Röyskö, come from old book page 661
Wife Kajsa Jacobsd. ,born 1.1.1820 Töysä, come from old book page 661
Son Johan born 18.4.1846, Röyskö, certificate for moving to Jyväskylä-town 1870
Daughter Susanna 15.3.1851, banns (marriage)1870 with Isak Mich..(?) Mäenpää page 979 or 919.
Son Matts 28.5.1854, banns (marriage) 1.10.1875 with Susanna
Daughter Maria 25.3.1859, banns (marriage) Michael Talvitie 1877

Son-in-law
Matts Johansson Haapamäki born 29.10.1844 Renko, come old book page 632
Wife Anna Jacobsd. 25.11.1848 Röyskö ,come old book page 661
Children ... Johan -69, Susanna-71 died -72, Maria Sofia - 73, Jacob -76 died187?
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I think, that these facts will help you to find more Susanna Katharina´s roots by Hiski.

It is more difficult to find Iisak`s roots, because in the history book (born) there was not , where in Ilmajoki their family was living when Isak was born.

I suspect, that Isak´s father moved to Ilmajoki, because Hiski don´t give people by named Haanpää.

Now I am waiting for your comments.

Good night

Kaisu
:)

bbj
21-04-06, 03:38
I can't wait to print this off and study it more and see where the 'puzzle' pieces fit!
Thank you so much!
I will look it all over and write again, and yes...I would love to have copies!

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 03:39
Brenda, did I underrstood correctly, that house was Elma Haanpää´s and his husbond (Jussila). I think, that this house is in Vaasa. I looked that there is Kasarminkatu -adress in Vaasa. It looks like houses in finnish towns, built more than fifty years ago.

Kaisu

bbj
21-04-06, 03:54
Haapamäki ...could that have been their name...and then it was shortened/changed to Haanpaa in US?
My mother always thought for some reason that their name may have been changed/shortened?
The only other notes I have are that my Grandpa once said his Grandparents names were Sam and Mary...in a letter he wrote to my mom.
Also... I found that I had a note that Isak was told to go to US, and leave his father behind as there was nothing for him in Finland...and noted his father was blind at the time he left???
Isak left a brother in Finland...name unknown.
His brother had a daughter named Elma, born about 1901?...married name Jussila. In 1971 they lived at vaasa tuomi kasarminkatu 27 finland....with her father also as he got older...according to the postcard/photo they sent of their house and the address with it.
I don't know if there were other siblings for Elma...or whether she and her husband had any children? Elma is the one who had written to my Grandfather at some point in time...but we only have those 3 postcards and nothing else.
b

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 14:22
Brenda,

Isac`s name was Haapää but Susanna Catarina´s name before her marriage was Röyskö. I found some Susanna´s roots. That is why you cannot find there Haanpää-name. When she was born her name was Röyskö. It is very usual that people forget their foremothers´ own names.

I wrote:
"28. August,1879, was born Susanna Katharina. Father farmer Mats Jacobsson Röyskö, mother Susanna Isaksdotter. Godfather and –mother farmer Jacob Röyskö and wife Susanna. Communion book page 918."

You can read , that her family´s information is in the page 918. It means years 1878-1887, because she was born 1879.

I wrote in another message

"Ilmajoki
Communion book page 918, 1878-1887
Röyskölä village
Farm Yli Röyskö
Pihlaja Röyskö
Pihlajaniemi (drew out)
Cottager,widover
Jacob Salomonsson born 7. September, 1810 Röyskö, come from old book page 782

Daughter Maria born 25.3.1859, gone page 875

Farmer
Married son, 1/24 manttaali (=assessment unit for land, tax)
Mats Jacobson born 28.5.1854 Ojanperä, Come from Old book page 782
Wife Sanna Isaksd. Born 3.5.1853Röyskö,Come from Old book page 782
Children:
Maria Sofia born 25.6.1878 Röyskö
Susanna Catarina born 28.10.1879 Röyskö
Anna Matilta born 16.12.1881 Röyskö
Hilja Elisabet born 12.6.1885 Röyskö,died 7.7.1886
Hilja born 14.6.1887 ,died 14.6.1887"

There you can see your foremother: "Susanna Catarina born 28.10.1879 Röyskö".

It is important, that you follow genearations through numbers of pages.

Kaisu

bbj
21-04-06, 14:42
ahhhh...now I think I understand!
Was their farm or village named Roysko...and that's why the name changed/was different? That's a huge piece...as we never knew that before!!
I stayed up last night putting info in...and it fits with the pieces I had...just some name and date changes and NOW more/better details and information!!
Thank you again!
I'm going to try to go to Hiski this weekend and see what I find now.
How do I add/use those symbols with the two dots in the names and places? (Um___ ?) I don't know how to do that, and heard that might affect the responses I get thru Hiski?
thank you again dear 'cousin' ...for helping with this other side of my family too!!
b

Kaisu Mikkelä
21-04-06, 14:57
I forgot to tell, that (during 1500-1850) in western Finland, persons had not surnames. They had only fist name (Susanna Catarina) and fathers name (Matsson). Pastor wrote families according houses (farms) (Röyskö). This changed , when they went to another house (farm). After about 1850
the names of houses (farms) become surnames. It was usual that every child took different surnames.

In eastern Finland families had surnames (klan names) and their names
were same also after moving. This was practical for different agriculture, because in eastern Finland during centuries people went to a new area and first they burnt forest. After this it was fertile to agriculture. That is why for their organisation it was easier, that the same family had same surnames.
But I suspect, that your roots are mostly in western Finland.

When young men (or young women) in western Finland went to work in the farm (farm hand), they took the name of this farm. It is possible, that a young man or woman had many names (many farms). In western Finland they did not burn forests for agriculture and that is why, they did not moved so much. They moved only to different houses(farms).

I hope that I could tell you my thoughts.

Kaisu

Hasse
21-04-06, 15:33
See the previous message thread here (http://www.finlander.eget.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=545)

Don't forget the search functionality on Finlander!

bbj
21-04-06, 17:53
This has been such a wonderful group and place to learn, link, gain information and knowledge. Thank you all! I dont think I would have gotten anywhere...or found family connections in Finland without you/this!

bbj
21-04-06, 19:44
I forgot to say that yes, Mats J. and wife Susanna did move to US and are buried in cemetary in Northern MN where many other family are. I think it was abt. 1920.
Also...family member had obit translated and just wrote me today. Said that Susanna's maiden name was Taale!?

Kaisu Mikkelä
22-04-06, 04:19
Brenda, you wrote:

"Also...family member had obit translated and just wrote me today. Said that Susanna's maiden name was Taale!?"

Do you know about Susanna`s birth day exactly? It is nesessary, if you can find correct facts.

This Susanna Catharina Röyskö was born 28. August, 1879. Perhaps
this date of birth is wrong and this Röyskö is a wrong person?

Perhaps somebody can find this date in the gravestone in cemetary in Northern MN?

Kaisu

bbj
22-04-06, 04:38
Susanna/Sanna I'm seeking info on is the mother of the other one.
Susanna... Roysko is match I believe...from what you found...with the birthdates that I previously had.

Family Group Sheet
Mats Jacobsson Pihlaja Roysko Husband:
28 May 1854 Born 1: ilmajoki, ojanpera village, finland in:
01 Oct 1875 Married:
16 Oct 1920 Died 1: SAINT LOUIS, Minnesota in:
virginia, mn in:

Jacob Salomonsson Pihlajaniemi Father:
Kaisa Aka Kajsa Jacobsd. Mother:

Susanna Aka Sanna Isaksdotter. Taale Wife:
05 Sep 1853 Born 1: ilmajoki, roysko village, finland in:
18 Feb 1920 Died 1: virginia, mn in:
SAINT LOUIS, Minnesota in:

Isak Taale Father:
Mary Unknown Mother:

CHILDREN
1 Susana Katharina Pihlaja Roysko Name:
28 Nov 1879 Born 1: ilmajoki, royskola village, finland in:
vaasan Laani, Finland in:
07 Feb 1958 Died 1: SAINT LOUIS County, Minnesota in:
SAINT LOUIS, Minnesota ; iron junction, mn in:

1902 Married:
Iisakki Haanpaa Spouse:
F
2 Maria Sofia Pihlaja Roysko Name:
25 Jun 1878 Born: ilmajoki, Finland in:
06 Apr 1962 Died: fairmont, mn in:
Married:
Jacob Makynen Spouse:
F
3 Anna Matilda Pihlaja Roysko Name:
16 Dec 1889 Born: ilmajoki, Finland in:
08 Nov 1918 Died 1: virginia, mn in:
flu outbreak Died 2: in:

Married:
Jacob Frans Mattila Spouse:
F
4 Hilja Elisabet Pihlaja Roysko Name:
19 Dec 1885 Born: ilmajoki, finland in:
07 Jul 1886 Died: ilmajoki, finland in:
F
5 Hilja Roysko Name:
14 Jun 1887 Born:
14 Jun 1887 Died:
F

Kaisu Mikkelä
22-04-06, 05:17
Brenda, I think, that it is same family. Gratulations! I find that I translated
wrongly Susanna Catharina Röyskö´s birth day.

It was 28. October (not August),1879 Röyskö,Ilmajoki.

Susanna Catharina´s mother was Susanna Isacsdaughter, and his
surname can be Taale. In these Communion books, which I saw, there was not such name. I did not find by Hiski this surname in Ilmajoki area, only Taipale-names. Perhaps Susanna has changed it in english. It is possible however find it looking at the date of marriage in history books (1875).

And now I´ll go to sleep, it is a night!!!

Kaisu

Kaisu Mikkelä
22-04-06, 22:34
Brenda, I sent information of your Haanpää-roots to internet (?)of Yahoo, where are talking about Ostrobothnian roots. Did I act wrongly?

Now three persons has replied.

Soon I shall tell you, are they your relatives.

Kaisu

bbj
08-10-06, 05:25
it's been a LONG time? I hope all is well? I never heard more about any relatives/contacts made and what came of them?
We are still thinking/talking about a trip to Finland. In what month/months would you recommend visiting?
thank you!

bbj
27-01-07, 10:16
Did you ever get information from them or hear from others?
Hope you are well! I have just started back on the computer again. I think I needed a break because I was not finding things and getting frustrated. Take care of yourself!
Brenda