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cdahlin
27-05-06, 23:20
Hello Nils!

I am living close to Forsby in Finland and I noticed that you live in Duluth. I have a question that no one has been able to answer yet, perhaps you are the first one to do it.

I have a relative who emigrated to Duluth ab 1912. His name was Andrew Johnson. He had a son, Alwar (Oliwer?) Johnson, b. 1921 in Duluth, Minnesota. I have been told that Alwar had epilepsia and therefore I am not sure about whether he ever had a family. Could you perhaps give me some more information about this individual?

Christian Dahlin, Pedersöre

ngrover
01-06-06, 19:08
Christian,

In reply to your inquiry about Andrew Johnson there are more Johnsons living in Duluth than you can shack a stick at. I did find 5 Andrew Johnsons that lived and died in Duluth on the Us SS death index:

Andrew Johnson
SS# 470-09-5673
B Nov 19, 1878
D Jan 1968

SS# 471-01-3482
B May 7, 1882
D Oct 1965

SS# 470-05-9626
B Nov 19, 1891
D Jan 1973

SS# 470-07-6822
B Jan 14, 1893
D Aug 1977

SS# 473-03-6940
B Feb 25, 1905
D Feb 1981

Al others born after 1912 which probably wouldn't do any good. As you can see I need more info. to process your request./

As always,

Nils

cdahlin
01-06-06, 21:25
Hello Nils!

I understand that it must be difficult to find a specific Johnson over there. But the Andrews you have listed are not my relative. My Andrew Johnson was born 1880 and died in 1948 or 1951. I have got two different deathdates for him.

His son Oliwer, born 1921-1-21 is more of my interest. This individual has never been listed in my database. There is a chance that he died young, but I'd like to have it verified.

Christian

Art Fors
02-06-06, 04:34
Hello Christian,

Regarding Andrew Johnson and son, Alwar (Oliwer?) Johnson, b. 1921.

1930 United States Federal Census > Minnesota > St Louis > Duluth > District 75

Name: Andrew Johnson
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to head-of-house: Head
Year of Immigration: 1901
Occupation: Laborer/Iron Industry
Age at first marriage: 27
Father's birthplace: Finland
Mother's birthplace: Finland
Language spoken in home before coming to USA: Swedish

Name: Amanda Johnson
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to head-of-house: Wife
Year of Immigration: 1904
Occupation: None
Age at first marriage: 22
Father's birthplace: Finland
Mother's birthplace: Finland
Language spoken in home before coming to USA: Swedish

Name: Oliver Johnson
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1921
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to head-of-house: Son
Occupation: None
Father's birthplace: Finland
Mother's birthplace: Finland
Language spoken in home before coming to USA:

Name: John Clark
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to head-of-house: Roomer
Year of Immigration: 1910
Occupation: Laborer/Steel Mill ??
Marital condition: Single
Father's birthplace: Finland
Mother's birthplace: Finland
Language spoken in home before coming to USA: Swedish

Name: Gust Edison ??
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to head-of-house: Roomer
Year of Immigration: 1898
Occupation: Laborer/Steel Mill ??
Marital condition: Single
Father's birthplace: Finland
Mother's birthplace: Finland
Language spoken in home before coming to USA: Swedish

Name: Adolph Wolfe
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to head-of-house: Roomer
Year of Immigration: 1910
Occupation: Operator/ ??
Marital condition: Single
Father's birthplace: Germany
Mother's birthplace: Germany
Language spoken in home before coming to USA:

Art

Art Fors
02-06-06, 05:00
Hello Christian,

Maybe you should start a new thread for Andrew Johnson in the Relatives search board - "ads".

I have found the following information in Military Records > World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 > Minnesota > Duluth City > 1 > Draft Card J

Name: Andrew Johnson
Address: 310 N 53 Ave. W. Duluth, Minnesota
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1880
Race: White
Roll: 1675460
DraftBoard: 1
Age: 37
Citizen of what nation: Finland/Russia
Occupation: Laborer
Employer's Name: Zenith Furnace Co.
Address: 58 Ave. W. Duluth, Minnesota
Nearest Relative: Amanda Johnson
Address: 310 N 53 Ave. W. Duluth, Minnesota
Height: Medium
Build: Medium
Color of Eyes: Blue
Color of Hair: Light
Dated: 11 Sept 1918

Art


I did a split of the old "greetings from Nils -thread/Hasse

Art Fors
02-06-06, 16:52
Hello Christian,

Can you give us more information on Andrew Johnson? It would be helpful to know Andrew's name (before he came to the US), home parish, his birth date, birthplace as well as details on his wife.

Art

Art Fors
02-06-06, 19:20
Hello Christian.

Re: 1920 United States Federal Census > Minnesota > St Louis > Duluth > District 132

Name: Andrew Johnson
Age: 39 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Finland
Mother tongue: Swedish
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1902
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Occupation: Laborer/Blast Furnace

Name: Amanda Johnson
Age: 35 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Finland
Mother tongue: Swedish
Sex: Female
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Year of immigration: 1904
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Occupation: None

Name: Alfred Stenback ??
Age: 30 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Finland
Mother tongue: Swedish
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Year of immigration: Unknown
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Occupation: Laborer/Iron Worker

Art

Art Fors
02-06-06, 19:49
Hello Christian,

Here is the closest match I could find for Oliver Johnson.

All Search Results > Birth, Marriage, & Death > Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002.

Name: Oliver A. Johnson
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1921
Death Date: 30 Jun 1974
Death County: Saint Louis
Mother's Maiden Name: Grandlaid
State File Number: 016685
Certificate Number: 016685
Certificate Year: 1974
Record Number: 1917191

Art

cdahlin
02-06-06, 21:09
Hello Art!

Thank you for your information. It seems that you have finally found some new information about him. All your information is exactly as that in my database except that Oliver Andrew died 1974. This was new to me.

Now I'm getting even more interested in this mystery. Is there any chance to see if he was married and had a family? In that case they could be living today!

Oliver's mother's birthname was GRANLUND and not Grandlaid. She was born in Jakobstad 24 May 1884 and this information you have given tells that she emigrated after Andrew. She died 31 July 1953.

Andrew William Johnson (in Finland his name was Anders Wilhelm Johansson) was born in Pedersöre 10 Dec 1880 and as I told before he died 1948 or 1951. I have two different deathdates for him. Andrew was the brother of my grandfather.

Christian Dahlin

The other names Stenback, Clark, Edison, Wolf were not related, only roomers.

Christian:) :) :)

Art Fors
02-06-06, 23:45
Hello Christian,

This should be Amanda Johnson's death record.

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002

Name: Amanda Mathilda Johnson
Death Date: 31 Jul 1953
Death County: Washington
State File Number: 017949
Certificate Number: 017949
Certificate Year: 1953
Record Number: 1220813

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 00:03
Hello Christian,

Re: Institute Of Migration

Last name Granlund
First names Amanda
Other names *
Date of birth . .1884
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Torpp. tr
Home parish Pietarsaari
Province VAA
Passport date 31.05.1904
Passport number 1291
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 00:35
Hello Christian,

Re: Institute Of Migration.

Last name Johansson
First names Anders
Age or age group 22
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Duluth
State of destination MN
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 336
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 05.11.1902
Ship from England Etruria
Date of departure from England 15.11.1902
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 29/30
Remarks *

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 00:40
Hello Christian,

This should be Andrew William Johnson's death record.

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002.

Name: Andrew William Johnson
Death Date: 6 Apr 1948
Death County: Washington
State File Number: 017126
Certificate Number: 017126
Certificate Year: 1948
Record Number: 1063511

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 00:56
Hello Christian,

Social Security Death Index Record

Name: Oliver Johnson
SSN: 704-12-3724
Born: 26 Jan 1921
Died: Jun 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Railroad Board (Issued Through) (Before 1951)

We can assume that Oliver worked for the railway.

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 02:21
Hello Christian,

The hope the following information is a positive match for the Oliver Johnson you're looking for.

Re: Minnesota Birth Index, 1935-2002.

Children of Oliver Andrew Johnson & Genevieve Gertrude Roland

Alfred Gordon Johnson born 15 Jul 1943 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Richard Joseph Johnson born 17 Aug 1946 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota
Bonnie Lou Johnson born 9 Oct 1951 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Connie Marie Johnson born 1 Oct 1959 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.

Re: Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002.

Name: Genevieve Gertrude Johnson
Birth Date: 2 Jul 1924
Birth City: Buhl
Birth State or Country: Minnesota
Death Date: 1 Jan 2000
Death County: Saint Louis
Death City: Duluth
Mother's Maiden Name: Larson
State File Number: 2000-MN-001564

If hope this will help you find your missing relatives.

Art

cdahlin
03-06-06, 07:18
Wow!

This is better than Christmas Eve to me! I am very happy about this information and I hope that theese are the family I have been looking for. I must forward this information to Kaj Timrén before his trip to USA. I think he is going to Duluth, so perhaps he can check it finally!

Once again, thousands of thanks for a good help!

Christian

:) :) :)

Art Fors
03-06-06, 15:51
Hello Christian,

The following obituary for Genevieve G. Johnson should tell it all.

Duluth News-Tribune (MN) - January 3, 2000

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Deceased Name: GENEVIEVE G. JOHNSON

Genevieve G. Johnson, 75, of Seville Road, Hermantown, died Saturday, Jan. 1, 2000, in St. Mary's Hospice.

She was born July 2, 1924, in Buhl to Albert and Mamie (Larson) Roland. She was a lifelong Hermantown resident.

She married Oliver Andrew Johnson on Aug. 15, 1942, in Duluth. She was a homemaker and a loving wife, mother and grandmother. She loved everything about the outdoors including camping, fishing and feeding the birds. She was a talented craftsperson who enjoyed knitting, crocheting, needlework, painting ceramics and drawing.

She was a member of Grace Lutheran Church and Christ Lutheran Church. She was a member of the Duluth Accordionaires auxiliary and served as vice president of the Esker Trail Cabin Owners Association.

She was preceded in death by her parents; her husband, Oliver in 1974; and sisters Myrtle Daniels and Lillian Peterson.

She is survived by sons Alfred G. of Hermantown and Richard J. (Natalie) of Duluth; daughters Bonnie L. (Jack) Fahrner of Duluth, Connie M. Bergeron of Nashville, Tenn., and Marie (Tom) West of Hermantown; brothers Harold (Ruby) Roland of Duluth, and Melvin (Vina) Roland and George (Karol) Roland of Saginaw; sisters Ruby Beasley of Bismark, N.D., Betty Sherman of Altoona, Wis., and Alice (John) Brown of Duluth; an aunt, Violet Miernik; 10 grandchildren; two great-grandchildren; and many nieces and nephews.

Visitation: noon until the 1 p.m. service Wednesday in Salem Lutheran Church, Hermantown. Burial in Sunrise Memorial Park. Memorials are preferred in lieu of flowers. Arrangements by Williams-Lobermeier Funeral Home.
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Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 17:10
Hello Christian,

These are the only grandchildren that I could find for Oliver Johnson.

Children of Connie Marie Johnson & Bertram John Bergeron.
Sarah Bonnie Bergeron born 11 Dec 1980 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Benjamin Phillippe Bergeron born 6 Feb 1982 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.

Children of Marie Teresa Johnson & Thomas Theodore West.
Victoria Marie West born 20 Jan 1985 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Derek Thomas West born 13 Jun 1986 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Tyler James West born 16 May 1990 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Jennifer Ann West born 29 Apr 1992 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.

From Genevieve's obituary notice it seems Alfred G. Johnson was never married. I could not find any births records for Rich J. Johnson & Natalie or Bonnie L. Johnson & Jack Fahrner. There were 10 grandchildren mentioned in the obituary and 4 are not accounted for unless there were children from a previous marriage.

I found Jack Richard Fahrner and Mae Helen Honkala had the following children which could be the 4 children from a previous marriage..

Julie Ann Fahrner born 9 Mar 1960 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Micheal Anthony Fahrner born 28 Feb 1961 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Roger Allan Fahrner born 14 Jun 1962 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.
Kenneth Dale Fahrner born 14 Jul 1963 in Saint Louis Co., Minnesota.

Art

Art Fors
03-06-06, 17:29
Hello Christian,

Here is the address and phone number for Jack Fahrner.

2022 Adirondack St
DULUTH, MN 55811
218-727-0047

Art

cdahlin
05-06-06, 22:20
To Art Fors!

Thank you very much for this information. I have sent a letter today to Duluth and I hope that I can get an answer soon.

Once again thank you for your help!

Christian Dahlin