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June Pelo
14-11-06, 01:02
Someone needs help finding an ancestor born in Terjärv who emigrated to the US 4 Jul 1891 (she thinks). He was born Matts Reinhold Carlsson Wistbacka on 27 Apr 1865, Terjärv. He had a brother Karl/Johan Viktor, b. 14 Sep 1866 who emigrated to America 1888, and a sister Ida Johanna, b. 16 May 1869, who came over 1888. Ida ended up in Utah and Washington, married to Semell. Karl Viktor married Edla Johanna Nilsdotter Manderbacka.

Their father Carl Gustaf Carlsson Gåsjärvi-Wistbacka married a second time to Anna Lovisa Mattsdotter Sunabacka; they had 5 children, 2 of them came to the US in 1901 and 1903: Johan Emil, and Edvard.

Matts Reinhold on his citizenship papers claimed he emigrated 4 Jul 1891, but no record of his entry in the US can be found. There was a note that he and his brother Karl (Johan) came over in 1888. Matts and his family can be found in census records in Utah. But we're trying to find when he emigrated and what port he came through. None of his papers give any indication of the port and we have conflicting dates of his entry to the US.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

June

Denise
14-11-06, 05:54
Hi June,
This is all I found on passenger lists for Wistbacka.

Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Matti Wistbacka
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1913
Age: 18 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Laconia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Nestor Kustila
Last Residence: Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 206

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Frans wistbacka
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Gothenburg
Place of Origin: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Stockholm
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Finland
Line: 28
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3116
Page Number: 38
Birth Location: Finland
Birth Location Other: teerijärvi



Source Citation: Year: 1922; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_3116; .


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gustaf wistbacka
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Place of Origin: Finnish
Ship Name: Majestic
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 7
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_820
Page Number: 58
Birth Location Other: teerijarve



Source Citation: Year: 1907; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_820; .



New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: väinö wistbacka
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Gothenburg, Sweden
Place of Origin: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Drottningholm
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Finland
Line: 12
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4133
Page Number: 167
Birth Location: Finland
Birth Location Other: toorijärvi



Source Citation: Year: 1927; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_4133; .

June Pelo
14-11-06, 15:49
Denise,

Thanks for that information. I don't know enough about the family to know if these people are part of it, but I'll send it on. I think there is confusion as to when Matts Reinhold emigrated. Records in databases in Finland indicate 1886, even though his family thinks it was 1891. His brother and sister came in 1888 and they used the name Gustafson. Their father was Carl Gustaf, so I assume they used the patronymic Gustafson instead of Carlsson.

June

Art Fors
14-11-06, 17:50
Hello June,

Here is the list of descendants for Carl Gustav Carlsson Wistbacka.

1. Carl Gustav Carlsson Wistbacka b. 02-02-1837, i Terjärv, (son of Carl Mattsson Wistbacka-Gåsjärvi and Maria Mattsdr Wistbacka Kattilakoski) m. (1) 15-12-1861, in Terjärv, Brita Cajsa Mattsdr Wistbacka Skytte, b. 27-09-1829, i Terjärv, (daughter of Matts Andersson Skytte and Brita Mattsdotter Skytte Grannabba) ref: G.6b - H.4, d. 27-05-1869, m. (2) 04-12-1873, in Terjärv, Anna Lovisa Mattsdr Wistbacka Sunabacka, b. 08-01-1853, i Terjärv, (daughter of Matts Mattsson Sunabacka and Maria Mattsdr Sunabacka) ref: H.4-J.539, d. 24-10-1889, m. (3) 28-07-1894, in Terjärv, Anna Lovisa Hansdr Wistbacka Björkbacka, b. 08-11-1856, i Terjärv, (daughter of Hans Hansson Björkbacka and Maria Johansdr Björkbacka Lillrank). Carl died 31-01-1895.
Children by Brita Cajsa Mattsdr Wistbacka Skytte:
+2. i Gustav Alfred Carlsson b. 02-01-1864, i Terjärv
+3. ii Matts Reinhold Carlsson b. 27-04-1865, i Terjärv
4. iii Brita Johanna Carlsdr Wistbacka b. 27-04-1865, i Terjärv, d. 14-08-1865.
+5. iv Karl Viktor b. 14-09-1866, i Terjärv
+6. v Ida Sofia Carlsdr b. 16-05-1869, i Terjärv
Children by Anna Lovisa Mattsdr Wistbacka Sunabacka:
7. vi Anders William Carlsson Wistbacka b. 01-11-1874, i Terjärv, d. 24-09-1881.
8. vii Johan Emil Carlsson Wistbacka b. 16-12-1877, i Terjärv, d. 22-09-1881.
9. viii Edvard Carlsson Wistbacka b. 20-03-1880, i Terjärv, d. 26-03-1881.
10. ix Johan Emil Carlsson Wistbacka b. 17-06-1884, i Terjärv.
11. x Edvard Carlsson Wistbacka b. 31-07-1886, i Terjärv.

The Gustaf Wistbacka that Denise posted from New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 is Matts Reinhold Carlsson Wistbacka's older brother. Gustav Alfred Carlsson Wistbacka arrived in New York aboard the "S.S. Majestic" on 17 Jan 1907.

Art

Art Fors
14-11-06, 18:14
Hello June,

The following information is what I sent you before on the other Wistbacka - Gustafson thread posted on 24 Feb 2006.

It seems Matts Reinhold Carlsson Wistbacka immigrated to the United States in 1891.

1900 United States Federal Census > Utah > Salt Lake > Bingham > District 58

Name: Mattias Gustafson
Home in 1900: Bingham, Salt Lake, Utah
Age: 35
Birthday Month/Year: Apr 1865
Birthplace: Finland
Father's Birthplace: Finland
Mother's Birthplace: Finland
Relationship to head-of-house: Boarder
Race: White
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Copper ore miner
Immigration Year: 1891

1910 United States Federal Census > Utah > Juab > Eureka > District 55

Name: Matt Gustafson
Age in 1910: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Spouse's name: Jennie
Home in 1910: Eureka, Juab, Utah
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1891
Household Members: Name/Age
Matt Gustafson 44
Jennie Gustafson 26
Roy Gustafson 4
Carl M Gustafson 3

Art

June Pelo
14-11-06, 19:13
Hello Art,

Yes, I remember that you sent the census records. Matts' descendants said they have searched all passenger lists for 1891 but could never find his name. Someone in Finland sent me information that he had emigrated in 1886. I assumed they got it from church records, but I don't know if that's correct. I checked Talko and several people had his data and indicated he came in the 1880s. If he was my ancestor, I'd make a note of the dates of emigration and let it go, but they're determined to find a record of him on a passenger list and they have no idea what port he sailed from nor where he landed.

I appreciate the help from you and Denise, and I think I'll let his descendants try to figure out their problem.

June