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Roberta May
16-11-06, 00:24
My name is Roberta May and I'm searching for my Mother's family - Kulju. So far I have found information on my grandparents now I'm looking for info on my grandfather's family. They lived in Lapua and I was able to find six people with the same name so I'm going to write them.

granskare
22-11-06, 03:16
found at Swenson S 27-2 = Michigan, Iron Co, Crystal Falls, Swedish Lutheran
Chu. Pos Given names Surname Other data Born Parish Em.

S 27-2 b123c Senia Amanda Kulju p: Alex. & Amanda Jan 18 1887 Alavus unk
Senia was confirmed and it lists her parents who were from Alavus

found at Swenson 234 = Michigan, Marquette Co., Champion Finnish Lutheran

234 35h Kustaa Kulju Aug 9 1876 Kuortane unk
234 35w Eetla Maria Jan 1 1872 Kuortane unk

234 42h Elias Kulju Mar Jun 30 1875 Kuortane 1896
234 42w Sanna Liisa Nov 13 1875 Kuortane unk

I put these names here because sometimes people gave other town names so maybe something here is for you.

Roberta May
22-11-06, 05:28
Hi. Sorry but these are not my grandparents. I know mine left Lapua and went to Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Thanks for trying.
Roberta

Art Fors
22-11-06, 17:45
Hello Roberta,

I found a Juho Kustaa (Johan Gustaf) Erkinp. Kulju and Liisa Heikintyt. Rintala married 05-10-1895 in Lapua. Are they your grandparents?

Art

granskare
22-11-06, 17:47
It was worth a shot. Who knows, maybe somebody in the Finland branch will recognize somebody :)
Chuck

Roberta May
22-11-06, 19:25
Hi Art
I'm almost positive they are my grandparents. The names and dates match the info I have. What I'm really trying to find now are my grandfather's mother and father's names and if my grandfather had any brothers or sisters. I guess really what I need to find would be my gfather's birth registration or something that would tell me their names. Can you give me any idea of where to look for it?
Thank you again for this info. Are you able to help me find the other info I'm looking for?
Thanks again
Roberta

Art Fors
22-11-06, 19:53
Hello Roberta,

At least we know now your great grandfather's first name was Erkki or Erik based on your grandfather's patronymic name (Erkinpoika in Finnish and Eriksson in Swedish).

I believe I found passport records for Johan and Lisa. See below.

Institute of Migration, Detailed passport information

Last name: Kulju
First names: Johan Gustaf
Other names: *
Date of birth: . .1873
Marital status: 2 (married)
Religion: *
Occupation: Mäkitupal. pka
Home parish: Lapua
Province: VAA
Passport date: 15.03.1899
Passport number: 503
Passport valid (year:month): 5:0
Destination: Amerikka
Passport issued by: VAA
Remarks: Sj vmo ja 1 lapsi. Sotap. suoritettu.

Institute of Migration, Detailed passport information

Last name: Kulju
First names: Lisa
Other names: *
Date of birth: . .1871
Marital status: 2 (married)
Religion: *
Occupation: Loisen vmo
Home parish: Lapua
Province: VAA
Passport date: 20.09.1899
Passport number: 3220
Passport valid (year:month): 5:0
Destination: Amerikka
Passport issued by: VAA
Remarks: *

I'll keep searching.

Art

christina
22-11-06, 20:15
Juho and Liisa had a son Yrjö, born 1898.

Lapua - Lappo - married,
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

5.10.1895 (_p._1980) itsellin. Juho Kustaa Juho Erkinp. Kulju itsellisentyt. Liisa Heikintyt. Rintala (_p._2043)

Lapua - Lappo - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
9.6.1898 11.6.1898 Kirkonkylän Saarenpäästä (_p._1980) Its. Juho Kustaa Juhonp. Kulju v:nsa Liisa Heikintyt. 27 Yrjö


Christina Nordback

Roberta May
22-11-06, 20:35
Hi Art and Christina
Thank you so much for reinforcing the belief that these were my grandparents. I also know they had 3 sons born in Finland. One was Fabian who passed away and the third was Yjro who came to Canada with them. Someone gave me the name and e-mail address of a man whose last name was Kulju from Lapua. I did e-mail him but so far have heard nothing from him. Now, I guess I should just concentrate on finding my ggrandparents.
Again,thank you two so much for helping me. I really appreciate the fact that you will continue on.
Roberta

Art Fors
23-11-06, 22:53
Hello Roberta,

From the Institute of Migration this is what I found.

Detailed passenger information

Last name: Kulju
First names: Johan
Age or age group: 1M (1 adult male)
Port of departure: Hanko
Place of destination: Sudbury
State of destination: ON
Country of destination: CDN
Price of ticket: USD 41
Ship from Finland: Urania
Date of departure from Finland: 18.03.1899
Ship from England: *
Date of departure from England: . .9999
Ocean Line: Dominion Linen
Port of departure in England: *
List and page: 5/26
Remarks: *

Last name: Kulju
First names: Liisa
Age or age group: 1N (1 adult woman)
Port of departure: Hanko
Place of destination: Sudbury
State of destination: ON
Country of destination: CDN
Price of ticket: USD 22
Ship from Finland: Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland: 30.09.1899
Ship from England: *
Date of departure from England: . .9999
Ocean Line: Dominion Linen
Port of departure in England: *
List and page: 4/54
Remarks: Mk Yrjö Kulju. (Mk=Travelling companions, travelling with the same ticket)

Last name: Kulju
First names: Yrjö
Age or age group: 3*
Port of departure: Hanko
Place of destination: Sudbury
State of destination: ON
Country of destination: CDN
Price of ticket: USD 22
Ship from Finland: Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland: 30.09.1899
Ship from England: *
Date of departure from England: . .9999
Ocean Line: Dominion Linen
Port of departure in England: *
List and page: 4/54
Remarks: Mk Liisa Kulju. (Mk=Travelling companions, travelling with the same ticket)

Art

Art Fors
24-11-06, 00:08
Hello Roberta,

Attached below is a burial record for Heikki Fabian that I found at HisKi.

Please note that your grandfather's patronymic name is listed as Juho-Erkinpoika, therefore his father's name may have been Johan instead of Erik.

I also noticed the information that Christina sent you listed your grandfather's name as Juho Kustaa Juhonpoika Kulju (Johan Gustaf Johansson Kulju in Swedish).

Art

Roberta May
24-11-06, 00:50
Again, thank you so much. Art. There are times like this when I start to feel like I'm getting closer thanks to all the people who have been willing to look up things for me. Did you notice that in Heikki death info that Kulju was spelled 'Kuljun'. Do think that was just an error or misspelling of the name?
Thanks again.
Best regards.
Roberta

Art Fors
24-11-06, 01:18
Hello Roberta,

Here the christening record from HisKi for Fabian Heikki Kulju.

Lapua - Lappo - christened

<Born><Christened><Village><Farm><Father><Mother><Child>

<30.4.1897><2.5.1897><(_p._1980)><Its. Juho Kulju><v. Liisa 25><Fabian Henrikki (+)>

Art

Roberta May
24-11-06, 01:36
Art. Again thanks for the info. I found a Finnish site that had something about Kulju in Finnish. To my regret I cannot read or write it. Are you able to read Finnish.
Here is what I found:

Torpassa asuivat jo 1830-luvulla Heikki Simonpoika syntynyt 1794 Kuotaneella sekä vaimo Anna Yrjöntytär syntynyt 1801 Lapualla. Torpassa jatkavat 1860-luvulla poika Johan Petter (s.1832) ja Anna Gustava Matintytär. Syntynyt 1827 Oravaisissa.

If you can't maybe someone else on this site would be kind enough to tell me what it says.

Roberta

Art Fors
24-11-06, 01:37
Hello Roberta,

I found another christening at HisKi for Juho Heikki Kulju.

Lapua - Lappo - christened

<Born><Christened><Village><Farm><Father><Mother><Child>

<4.2.1896><4.2.1896><(_p._1980)><Its. Juho Kustaa Kulju><v. Liisa 24><Juho Heikki (+)>


I have also attached a burial record for Juho Heikki Kulju.

Art

Roberta May
24-11-06, 01:44
Thanks again, Art
Roberta

Art Fors
24-11-06, 02:04
Hello Roberta,

Sorry but I can't help you with the translation. Hopefully someone else will.

My guess is Kuljun is the Finnish version of Kulju.

I'm still trying to find your great grandparents (the parents of Johan Gustaf Kulju and Liisa Henriksdotter Rintala). It seems Saarenpää may be the farm where Johan lived.

Art

Art Fors
24-11-06, 04:11
Hello Roberta,


It seems Saarenpää may be the farm where Johan lived.

Re: Institute of Migration, Search results (Farm names)

<Dweller's name><Parish name><Village name><Farm name/Status><Time period >

<Kulju><Lapua><Lapua><Saarenpää No 2><1854-1860>

Art

Art Fors
24-11-06, 05:54
Hello Roberta,

I hope the information below will help you with your family search.

In Hiski I did a search using "å Saarenpää" as the filter in the Village/Farm field of the Lapua parish christenings. The only family that came up with a child named Johan Gustaf (born 20.7.1873) was Inhyses Johan Eriksson Fransila & h:ru Maria.

Upon searching further I found the following marriage record.

Lapua - Lappo - married

<Married><Village><Farm><Man><Wife><Village><Farm>

<1.11.1856><xxxx><xxxx><Dreng. Johan Erik Erikss:n><Torpared:n Maria Dawidsd:r AlaHärsilä><xxxx><xxxx>

Below is a list of descendants of Johan Erik and Maria.

Descendants of Johan Erik Eriksson Saarenpää- Fransila

1. Johan Erik Eriksson Saarenpää- Fransila b. 10-08-1832, Lapua, Finland, (son of Erik Eriksson Saarenpää and Maria) m. 01-11-1856, in Lapua, Finland, Maria Davidsdotter AlaHärsilä, b. abt. 1835.
Children:
i Erik Johansson b. 08-12-1856, Kyrkoby, Lapua, Finland.
ii Justina Johansdotter b. 02-08-1860, Tiistenky, Lapua, Finland.
iii Maria Johansdotter b. 05-08-1862, Kirkonk, Lapua, Finland.
iv Liisa Johansdotter b. 01-07-1864, Kirkonk, Lapua, Finland.
v Kaija Johansdotter b. 08-08-1867, Lapua, Finland.
vi Serafia Johansdotter b. 18-11-1870, Ylihärsilä, Lapua, Finland.
vii Johan Gustaf Johansson Kulju b. 20-07-1873, Saarenpää, Lapua, Finland.
viii Wilhelmina Johansdotter b. 21-09-1878, Ylihärsilä, Lapua, Finland.

I hope some members can help confirm these findings.

Art

Roberta May
24-11-06, 18:00
Thanks again, Art. I had no idea of the number of brothers and sisters my grandpa had. Now this gives me more info to search for. Do you know why the last name would be different from Kulju? The Finnish system of last names can be really confusing.
Thanks again.
Roberta

Art Fors
24-11-06, 18:33
Hello Roberta,

You may want to check these two web sites out that explains the Finnish name system.

http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~syli/geneo/farmnames.html

http://members.aol.com/DSSaari/saarinam.htm

Art

Roberta May
25-11-06, 01:38
Once again I have to thank you for the info. I'm 99% sure these are my great aunts and uncles. Thanks to you I'm finally understanding the Finnish system. I hate to impose but any other help would be greatly appreciated.
Now I'm going to try tracing them and hopefully I'll find my great-great grands. For now I'm going to stay on my grandfather's line.
I'm hoping my son will want to start on his greatgrand mother's side.
Again, thanks a lot.
Roberta

Art Fors
30-11-06, 01:42
Hello Roberta,

Here are some details I found about your great great grandparents and their descendants. I'm having difficulty tracing your ancestors back further but will keep trying. Hopefully someone else can help.

[list=1]Descendants of Erik Eriksson Hautaaho- Saarenpää

1. Erik Eriksson Hautaaho- Saarenpää b. abt. 1784, Finland m. 27-12-1814, in Lapua, Finland, Maria Johansdotter Rinda- Saari, b. abt. 1790, Finland. Erik died 19-05-1868, Lapua, Finland.
Children:
i Susanna Eriksdotter b. 26-05-1815, Lapua, Finland.
ii Johannes Eriksson b. 02-07-1816, Lapua, Finland.
iii Lisa Eriksdotter b. 22-07-1817, Lapua, Finland.
iv Catharina Eriksdotter b. 13-07-1822, Lapua, Finland.
v Justina Eriksdotter b. 29-08-1823, Lapua, Finland.
vi Anna Greta Eriksdotter b. 24-06-1826, Lapua, Finland.
vii Thomas Eriksson b. 26-08-1827, Lapua, Finland.
viii Mina Eriksdotter b. 30-11-1830, Lapua, Finland.
2. ix Johan Erik Eriksson Saarenpää- b. 10-08-1832.

Second Generation

2. Johan Erik Eriksson Saarenpää- Fransila b. 10-08-1832, Lapua, Finland, m. 01-11-1856, in Lapua, Finland, Maria Davidsdotter AlaHärsilä, b. abt. 1835.
Children:
i Erik Johansson b. 08-12-1856, Kyrkoby, Lapua, Finland.
ii Justina Johansdotter b. 02-08-1860, Tiistenky, Lapua, Finland.
iii Maria Johansdotter b. 05-08-1862, Ylihärsilä, Kirkonk., Lapua, Finland.
iv Liisa Johansdotter b. 01-07-1864, Ylihärsilä, Kirkonk., Lapua, Finland.
v Kajsa Johansdotter b. 08-08-1867, Lapua, Finland.
vi Serafia Johansdotter b. 18-11-1870, Ylihärsilä, Lapua, Finland.
vii Johan Gustaf Johansson Kulju b. 20-07-1873, Saarenpää, Lapua, Finland.
viii Wilhelmina Johansdotter b. 21-09-1878, Ylihärsilä, Lapua, Finland.[/list=1]

Art

Roberta May
30-11-06, 04:09
Once again, Art, Thank you so very much. I had gotten as far as my gggrandparents but couldn't find anything about their children. So now I know their childrens' names. I had written to a man in Lapua whose last name was Kulju but he has never answered me. Someone had his permission to give me his website and so I e-mailed him but that's as far as it's gone. Now,thanks to you I have more info.
Thanks a million.
Roberta