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June Pelo
12-12-06, 21:15
I'm trying to help someone find information about her ancestors in Finland, but have run into dead ends. I checked Talko but didn't find any answers. Wonder if anyone has any data on these people:

Parents of Matts Leander Mattsson Pajukangas, b. 27 Feb 1886, Kaustby. We think they could be Matts Leander Johansson Köyhäjoki and Maria Lovisa Johansdotter Granbacka. But I can't find them in Kaustby.

Parents of Anna Karlsdotter Harabacka, b. 1869, Kaustby. Anna married Johannes Forsnabba, b. 1864, Kaustby.

June

christina
12-12-06, 21:51
Parents of Anna from Hiski:
Kaustby - Kaustinen - döpta
Född Döpt By Gård Far Mor Barn

9.4.1869 11.4.1869 Bondesonen Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 32 Anna
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Annas Marriage from Hiski:
Kaustby - Kaustinen - vigda
Lysning Vigd By Gård Man Hustru By Gård

21.6.1891 Talonpoika, nuorimies Juho Eliaksenp. Forsnabba, 26 Talontytär, naimt:n Anna Kaarlent:r Harabakka, 22
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Matts parents from Hiski:

Kaustby - Kaustinen - döpta
Född Döpt By Gård Far Mor Barn

27.2.1886 2.3.1886 Talnp. Matti Leander Juhonp Köyhäjoki Maija Loviisa Juhontr. 37 Matti Leander
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I found 3 marriage for Matts Johansson Köyhäjoki in Hiski:

Kaustinen - Kaustby - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

29.7.1877 Bondesonen, ungkarlen Matts Leander Joh.son Köyhäjoki Bondedottren Maria Lovisa Johans d:r Granbacka

original - ALKUPKOMM: utan skrud
17.6.1891 Talonpoika, nuorimies Matti Leanteri Juhonp. Köyhäjoki, 21 Talontyt:r, naimt:n Maija Juhont:r Köyhäjoki, 27

3.7.1898 Tal.poika, n.mies Matti Juhonp:ka Köyhäjoki, 28 talont:r Maria Josefiina Juhont:r Forsnabba, 22



Hälsningar from
Christina Nordback

christina
12-12-06, 22:15
Kajsa and Karl Karlsson Harabackas children from Hiski:

Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

23.8.1862 24.8.1862 Bondesonen Carl Carlsson Harabacka Kaisa 25 Karl Alfrid

1.3.1864 7.3.1864 Bondesonen Karl Karlsson Harabacka Caisa 27 Karl

5.8.1865 6.8.1865 Bondesonen Carl Carlsson Harabacka Caisa 28 Michel

9.4.1869 11.4.1869 Bondesonen Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 32 Anna

8.3.1871 22.3.1871 Bond. Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 33 Lisa

10.3.1873 18.3.1873 Bondesonen Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 35 Rosa

19.12.1874 20.12.1874 Bondeson. Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 37 Karl Wiljam

17.12.1876 26.12.1876 Bonden Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 39 Matts Leander

17.12.1879 21.12.1879 Bond. Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 42 Emma Kristina

3.2.1882 5.2.1882 Bonden Karl Karlsson Harabacka Kaisa 44 Johan Oskar

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These children for Matts Joh.Köyhäjoki I found from Hiski , but the 3 marriage with the same names...??

Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

6.6.1878 10.6.1878 Bson Matts Leander Joh.son Köyhäjoki Maria Lovisa 29 Johan Oskar

27.2.1886 2.3.1886 Talnp. Matti Leander Juhonp Köyhäjoki Maija Loviisa Juhontr. 37 Matti Leander

24.6.1888 1.7.1888 Talonp. Matti Leanteeri Juhonpoika Köyhäjoki Maija Loviisa 39 Anna Eliisabet


My best regards
Christina Nordback

June Pelo
13-12-06, 01:33
Thank you, Christina. Now I have added some more names to the data. Matts Leander Johansson Köyhäjoki married 29 Jul 1877 to Maria Lovisa Johansdotter Granbacka, probably born 1848, where? Were you able to find anything about her and her parents? We think her father's name was Johan Andersson.....

Also, Anna Karlsdotter Harabacka's parents were Karl Karlsson Harabacka and Kaisa. I couldn't find anything about his birth or about Kaisa. Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks.

June

christina
13-12-06, 15:48
Hej June

Could Carl Carlsson have been born 15.4.1837 and his father changed his name from Huntus to Harabacka, moved perhaps from Huntus to Harabacka .....?? Same names...??

Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

3.1.1833 5.1.1833 Bd.s. Carl Mattss. Huntus Lisa Gretha Joh.d:r 25-30 Anna

20.2.1835 23.2.1835 B.s. Carl Mattss. Huntus Lisa Gretha Joh.d:r 25-30 Joh. Henr.

original - ALKUPKOMM: n.d.conf
15.4.1837 16.4.1837 Bd. Carl Mattsson Huntus Lisa Carl

2.6.1839 5.6.1839 Bd. Carl Mattss. Harabacka Lisa Greta Joh.dr. 32 Abraham

16.10.1841 1841 Bd. Carl Mattss. Harabacka Lisa Greta Joh.dr. 34 Matts

7.11.1843 8.11.1843 Bd. Carl Mattss. Harabacka Lisa Gretha 36 Jonas

15.2.1846 16.2.1846 Bd. Carl Mattss. Harabacka Lisa Greta Joh.dr. 39 Anna Lisa

28.5.1849 28.5.1849 Bd. Carl Mattss. Harabacka Lisa 42 Elias
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - married

Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

28.10.1825 B.s. Carl Mattss. Huntus B.dr. A:na Caisa Matts dr. Grannabba

15.6.1828 Enkl. Carl Mattsson Huntus Bd.Dr:u Lisa Greta Joh.dr. Nikulla
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Kajsa is difficult to find, we have no patronymicon for her.
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Granbacka farm I have only found in Terjärv. Here is one Lovisa born 1848, probably wrong Lovisa?

Terjärv - Teerijärvi - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

9.3.1848 10.3.1848 Granbacka Tp. Johan Pehrsson Keurkal Anna Andersdr 29 Lowisa



Hälsningar
Christina Nordback

June Pelo
13-12-06, 18:41
Christina,

Thanks for all the information. The family thinks Anna Karlsdotter Harabacka's parents were Karl Huntus Harabacka, b. 1837, married to Caisa Mickelsdotter, b. 1837, d. 1898.

They think Maria Lovisa Granbacka, b. 1848, d. 1919, Kaustinen, was the daughter of Johan Andersson Granbacka and Maja Lisa Mattsdotter. They have no dates or places for them.

I'll send your information to them to see what they think. Thanks again.

June

christina
13-12-06, 19:14
Could this be the family??? Granvik changed to Granbacka...??

Maria Elisabeth came from Granvik, Johan is first bondmåg in Granvik and when he became bonde he named his farm Granbacka???
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Terjärv - Teerijärvi - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

6.11.1835 Teirijärvi Skytte Tp.son.ungk. Johan Andersson Bd.dr Maria Elisabeth Mathsdr Teirijärvi Granvik

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Terjärv - Teerijärvi - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

19.3.1836 20.3.1836 Granvik Måg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mathsdr 24 Maria (+ 3/4 1836)

29.10.1837 31.10.1837 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mathsdr 21 Anders

4.8.1839 5.8.1839 Granvik Måg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 23 Johannes

17.4.1841 18.4.1841 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 24 Mathias

10.12.1842 12.12.1842 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 27 Gustaf

19.7.1844 21.7.1844 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maria Mattsdr 27 Gustaf

9.3.1846 11.3.1846 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 32 Carl

19.4.1848 21.4.1848 Granvik Bdmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 32 Carl

11.5.1850 12.5.1850 Granvik Bmåg. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 28 Anna Lovisa

26.3.1854 27.3.1854 Granbacka bonde Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 37 Johan

26.7.1859 26.7.1859 Granbacka bonde Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Mattsdr 41 Anders

original - ALKUPKOMM: död


Hälsningar
Christina Nordback

June Pelo
13-12-06, 22:57
Hi Christina,

The family said Maria Lovisa Granbacka, was b. 1848 in Nedervetil. I have gone through all the Nedervetil births and found Maja Lisa, b. 11 Aug 1848 to Johan Andersson Viitavesi and Maja Lisa Mattsdotter Stor. Johan and family moved to Terjärv 1854. Then I went through the Nedervetil marriages looking for Maja Lisa and Matts Leander Köyhäjoki - but I didn't find them.

I went through Terjärv births and found the same Maja Lisa, b. 24 May 1848 that you found. She was born to Johan Andersson Granbacka/Granholm and Brita Cajsa Fredricsdotter Bexar. I found a marriage record in Kaustby where a Maria Lovisa Johansdotter Grandbacka married Matts Leander Johansson Köyhäjoki on 29 Jul 1877.

So I guess there's no way to know for sure who Maria Lovisa's parents were. They could be either couple. I'm going to tell the family this is the best we can do unless they come up with more definite names, dates and places.

Thank you for all your help.

June

christina
14-12-06, 17:18
This is the Nedervetil family:

Alaveteli - Nedervetil - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

16.3.1844 17.3.1844 Viittavesi B.d.son Johan Anderss: Maja Lisa Matts:dr 26 Anna Lisa

original - HUOMAUTUS: + 3/5 44.
6.4.1845 7.4.1845 Viittavesi Bd.S. Johan Anderss: Maja Lisa Matts:dr 26 Maria Lovisa

17.4.1846 19.4.1846 Viittavesi Bd.S. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Matts:dr 28 Anders Leander

11.8.1848 13.8.1848 Viittavesi Bd.S. Johan Anderss: Maja Lisa Matts:dr 30 Maria Lovisa

1.5.1850 5.5.1850 Viittavesi B.S. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Matts:dr 32 Anna Lisa

3.10.1851 5.10.1851 Viittavesi B.S. Johan Andersson Maja Lisa Matts:dr 33 Brita Johanna

Hälsningar
Christina Nordback

June Pelo
14-12-06, 23:31
Thanks, Christina. The family is pretty sure Maria Lovisa is the one born in Nedervetil in the Viitavesi family that later moved to Terjärv in 1854. They're very happy to get the data I've sent to them and they thank you for your help.

June

Jaska Sarell
15-12-06, 19:04
Hi June,

I did some checking in Kaustinen communion books (not elsewhere).

Matti Leander b. 27 Feb 1886
F: Matts Leander Johansson Köyhäjoki b. 1 Sep 1855 in Kaustinen
M: Maria Lovisa Johansdr Granbacka b. 11 Aug 1848 in Terjärv
FF: bonde Johan Mattsson Kolabacka b. 21 May 1830 in Kaustinen, d. 22 Jun 1897
FM: Maria Johansdr Sköld b. 14 Feb 1833 in Kaustinen, d. 18 Feb 1878
FFF: bonde Matts Mattsson Kolabacka b. 14 Sep 1796 in Kaustinen
FFM: Sanna Andersdr Kolabäck b. 20 Jul 1797 in Kaustinen
FMF: smed Johan Jacobsson Sköld b. 15 Sep 1800 in ?
FMM: Anna Andersdr Brännkärr b. 30 Sep 1807 in Nedervetil

Hopefully you can connect some of them to earlier generations.
Note: Kolabacka and Kolabäck are different farm names, both in Köyhäjoki village (numbers 1 and 2 respectively) as well as Köyhäjoki farm (number 8)!

:) Jaska

christina
15-12-06, 20:59
This is from Hiski. I could not find Johan Mattsson Kolabacka b. 21 May 1830 in Kaustinen, and not the marriage of Joh. Jacobss. Sköld Anna And.dr.
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Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

1.9.1855 2.9.1855 Bd.s. Joh. Mattss. Kolabacka Maria Joh.dr. 22 Matts Leander
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - married

Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

17.9.1854 Bd.s. Joh. Mattss. Kolabacka Tp.Dr:u Maria Joh.dr. Harabacka
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

20.10.1819 B.s. Matts Mattss. Kålabak Susa:na And.d. Kålabäk
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

8.10.1820 9.10.1820 Matts Mattss. Kolabacka San:a 20-30 An:a

12.11.1821 12.11.1821 Matts Mattss. Kålabak San:a Matts

original - ALKUPKOMM: n.d.+s.d.
18.1.1823 19.1.1823 Matts Mattsson Kålabacka San:a Anders

28.11.1825 29.11.1825 Matts Mattss. Kålabäck Susanna Jacob

1.4.1827 1.4.1827 Matts Kolabacka Sanna Mathias

20.5.1834 21.5.1834 Hb. Matts Mattss. Kolabacka Sanna And.d:r 35-40 Abram

original - ALKUPKOMM: +13.8
10.12.1835 20.12.1835 Bd Matts Mattss. Kolabacka Susanna 35-40 Abram

14.10.1839 20.10.1839 Bd. Matts Mattss. Kolabacka Sanna And.dr. 42 Eric

5.9.1842 10.9.1842 Bd. Matts Mattss. Kolabacka Sanna 45 Maria Lovisa

original - ALKUPKOMM: +3.3 -43
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

14.2.1833 17.2.1833 Inh. Johan Sköld Anna And.d:r 25-30 Maria

23.12.1834 26.12.1834 Inh. Johan Sköld Anna 25-30 Johan Jacob

27.9.1839 1839 Inh. Joh. Jacobss. Sköld Anna And.dr. 32 Brita Caisa

24.6.1841 27.6.1841 Smeden Johan Sköld Anna And.dr. 34 Anna

26.6.1843 28.6.1843 Smed.torp. Johan Jacobsson Sköld Anna And.d:r 36 Anders
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Alaveteli - Nedervetil - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

30.9.1807 9.10.1807 Brändkärr Anders Thomasson Carin Johans:dr 20 Anna
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Kaustinen - Kaustby - married

Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

28.9.1806 Drg. Anders Thomaes. Bränker B.dr. Caisa Joh.dr. Pavola

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Kaustinen - Kaustby - buried
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.

7.7.1809 16.7.1809 Hu: Carin Joh.dr. Pavola rötfeb. 34

original - ALKUPKOMM: g.


Hälsningar

Christina Nordback

Jaska Sarell
15-12-06, 21:15
"This is from Hiski. I could not find Johan Mattsson Kolabacka b. 21 May 1830 in Kaustinen, and not the marriage of Joh. Jacobss. Sköld Anna And.dr."

Christened:
21.3.1830 22.3.1830 Kolabacka Matts Mattss. San:a Johan
[that was 21/5 in CB or I copied it incorrectly :(]

Married:
22.10.1831 Drg. Joh. Skytt P. Anna And.dr. Bränkär

Johan Skytt alias Sköld (Skjöld) is a mystery person without further lookups. Johan Sköld's wife in CB is anyway Anna Andersdr Brännkärr, so the above marriage must refer to them.
Some connection to soldier Jacob Sköld (in Nedervetil), married 28 Apr 1803 in Kaustinen...

:) Jaska

June Pelo
15-12-06, 21:19
Jaska, thanks for the info - I am able to trace the Brännkärr line easily.

Christina, according to the Caino-Torp book Johan Mattsson Kolabäcka, b. 1830: His father was Matts Mattsson Wirkkala - Kolabäcka, b. 1796, Kaustby, son of Matts Mickelsson Wirkkala, b. 1737, Kaustby. I didn't find anything about Sköld, either. I checked the Nedervetil and Kaustby marriages, but didn't find his name. Thanks for all the additional information.

June

christina
15-12-06, 21:31
I found him too in hiski.

Kaustinen - Kaustby - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

21.3.1830 22.3.1830 Kolabacka Matts Mattss. San:a Johan
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Could this be Johan Jakobsson Skölds parents??

Alaveteli - Nedervetil - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

2.2.1804 2.2.1804 Lillbackända Sold. Jacob Sköld Maria Johans:dr 22 Johannes

22.12.1807 27.12.1807 Sold. Jacob Sköld Maria Johans:dr 25 Jacob



Christina Nordback

Jaska Sarell
15-12-06, 21:58
June,
I thought you'll find the Wirkkala connection!

Christina,
That Johannes Jacobsson Sköld b. 2.2.1804 troubles a bit as the DOB for Johan Sköld in CB was 15.9.1800 (too different for a simple copying error)

Sköld torp was situated at Harabacka - that explains name Maria Johansdr Harabacka in marriage record. CB, however, refers to Sköld name.

:) Jaska

Jaska Sarell
15-12-06, 23:07
Here's highly reduced snapshot from birth record. It's written in Finnish, with many abbreviations - explained here for general info.

[1886 February]
27 2/3 Matti Leander
Vanh: Talnp. Matti Leander Juhonp. Köyhäjoki ja vmo Maija Loviisa Juhontr.
Kum: Torp. Jaakko Jaakonp. Pajukangas ja vmo Liisa Greeta Hansintr.
K. toim. K. H. Lindgren, kappalainen
[mother's age 37, CB page 258]

vanh[emmat] = parents
tal[o]np[oika] = farmer
p[oika] son
v[ai]mo = wife
t[ytä]r = daughter
kum[mit] = godparents
torp[pari] = crofter
k[asteen] = baptism
toim[itti] = conducted (by)
kappalainen = chaplain

:) Jaska

June Pelo
16-12-06, 01:23
Jaska,

In the names you copied from Kaustinen Communion book, you have Maria Lovisa Johansdotter Granbacka, b. 11 Aug 1848, Terjärv. I checked Terjärv birth records, but there is no one named Maria Lovisa born on that date. But there is one born 11 Aug 1848 in Nedervetil. Do you think that was a typo? The family is sure she was born in Nedervetil so I used that entry. But if she was born in Terjärv, then I need to find out who her parents were.

This has been quite a project with so many changes in names so it's difficult to trace some of their families. I'm trying to get this done because I'm going away next week and won't be back until after Christmas..

June

Jaska Sarell
16-12-06, 02:03
June,

She had name Granbacka and place Terjärv after the name and DOB, but that does not necessarily mean that she was born there, but that she came from there.

You can see in HisKi that in Nedervetil Johan Andersson and Maja Lisa Mattsdr have six children at Viitavesi farm between 1844 and 1851, and in Terjärv two children 1854, 1859 at Granbacka farm. Even the mother's age fits.
Without viewing communion books it's not absolutely sure that it's the same couple, but that seems pretty much so, considering the matching details found so far.

Confusing indeed :confused:

:) Jaska

June Pelo
16-12-06, 02:18
Jaska,

Sounds reasonable - and I'll go along with it..

Thanks.

June ;)

June Pelo
18-12-06, 02:35
Christina,

I tried to reply to your private message, but it said your box is full and can't hold any more mail.

June

bert
28-12-06, 19:23
11.8.1848 13.8.1848 Viittavesi Bd.S. Johan Anderss: Maja Lisa Matts:dr 30 Maria Lovisa Viitavesi