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wsanman
08-05-07, 04:15
I’m trying to find out information about my great grandmother Amelia (also known as “Emily”) Sanman, nee Munk.

Amelia was the second wife of my great grandfather, Carl Edvard Sanman (Klockars). Carl Edvard’s first wife was Johanna Sanman, nee Sparf. Both Amelia and Carl died here in Portland, Oregon and are buried in Riverview Cemetery.

I have a record from the company here in Portland who handled the funeral for both Carl and Amelia, and the record says:

Name of deceased: Amelia Sanman

Late Residence: 881 Weidler St. (Portland, Oregon)
Date of birth: June, 19, 1870
Place of birth: Wasa, Finland
Cause of death: not legible
Age: 48 years, 4 months, 9 days
Name of father: John Munk
Bithplace of father: Wasa, Finland
Person responsible: Carl E. Sanman
Place of death: 881 Weidler St. (Portland, Oregon)
Physician: Dr. Booth
Occupation: At home
Name of Mother: Unknown
Birthplace of Mother: Wasa, Finland

I’d like to find out as much information about Amelia, Amelia’s father (John Munk) and her unknown mother. Can anyone help?

I did receive the following information as a result of the same query posted on Finngen earlier today:
Here is her passport informaion from the Institute of Migration:

Last name Munk
First names Emilia
Other names *
Date of birth . .1870
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Naimaton nainen
Home parish Vaasa
Province VAA
Passport date 23.10.1901
Passport number 2775
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *


Sincerely,
Wayne Sanman

P.S. Several Finlander members graciously helped me trace Carl Edvard Sanman's roots, and I'm hoping I'll have a similar successful result with Amelia's side of the family.

Denise
09-05-07, 04:01
Hi Wayne,
I'm having no luck finding Amelia Munk. This is a tough one, but I do remember your Sanman search was a bit difficult too! Must be Oregon's records! Here are the census records starting with 1880 on Munk.

Denise




1880 Census:
Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1880
(City,County,State) Birth Year Birthplace Relation

James Munk Theresa Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1844 England Self (Head)
Theresa Munk James Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1850 Massachusetts Wife
Jennie Munk James,
Theresa Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1871 Oregon Daughter
Annie Munk James,
Theresa Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1873 Oregon Daughter
Edward Munk James,
Theresa Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1875 Oregon Son
Maude Munk James,
Theresa Albina, Multnomah, OR abt 1878 Oregon Daughter


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1900 United States Federal Census


Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1900
(City,County,State) Birth Year Birthplace Race Relation

Lillian Munk Portland Ward 4, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1870 England White Roomer
Jas H Munk Mary T Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1844 England White Head
Mary T Munk Jas H Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1850 Massachusetts White Wife
Elizebeth J Munk Jas H,
Mary T Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1871 Oregon White Daughter
Annie T Munk Jas H,
Mary T Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1873 Oregon White Daughter
Edwin J Munk Jas H,
Mary T Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1875 Oregon White Son
John C Munk Jas H,
Mary T Portland Ward 10, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1882 Oregon White Son



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census



Data Source: 1910 United States Federal Census


Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1910
(City,County,State) Birth Year Birthplace Relation

Edwin J Mercik
[Edwin J Munk] Edith M Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, OR abt 1876 Oregon Head
Edith M Mercik
[Edith M Munk] Edwin J Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, OR abt 1885 Oregon Wife
John C Munk Walela S Portland Ward 7, Multnomah, OR abt 1881 Oregon Head
Walela S Munk John C Portland Ward 7, Multnomah, OR abt 1883 Pennsylvania Wife
John A Munk John C,
Walela S Portland Ward 7, Multnomah, OR abt 1908 Idaho Son
James H Munk Mary T Portland Ward 9, Multnomah, OR abt 1844 England Head
Mary T Munk James H Portland Ward 9, Multnomah, OR abt 1850 Massachusetts Wife
Jane Munk James H,
Mary T Portland Ward 9, Multnomah, OR abt 1876 Oregon Daughter
M E Munk S S Seattle Ward 5, King, WA abt 1889 Oregon Daughter-in-law
Henry F Munk John J,
Mary L Toppenish, Yakima, WA abt 1891 Oregon Son
Mary J Munk John J,
Mary L Toppenish, Yakima, WA abt 1893 Oregon Daughter
Arthur R Munk John J,
Mary L Toppenish, Yakima, WA abt 1895 Oregon Son



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census




Data Source: 1920 United States Federal Census


Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1920
(City,County,State) Estimated
Birth Year Birthplace Race Relation

William B Munk Alma I Olex, Gilliam, Oregon abt 1887 Illinois White Head
Alma I Munk William B Olex, Gilliam, Oregon abt 1892 Texas White Wife
Benjamin P Munk William B,
Alma I Olex, Gilliam, Oregon abt 1916 Washington White Son
Margaret M Munk William B,
Alma I Olex, Gilliam, Oregon abt 1918 Oregon White Daughter
John T Munk Condon, Gilliam, Oregon abt 1888 Illinois White Head
John C Munk Eoline Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1885 Iowa White Head
Eoline Munk John C Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1888 Oklahoma White Wife
Edward Munk John C,
Eoline Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1917 Washington White Son
John C Munk Malila S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1881 Oregon White Head
Malila S Munk John C Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1883 Pennsylvania White Wife
John A Munk John C,
Malila S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1908 Idaho White Son
Mary W Munk John C,
Malila S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1911 Oregon White Daughter
Margaret M Munk John C,
Malila S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1915 Oregon White Daughter
James H Munk Theresa Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1844 England White Head
Theresa Munk James H Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1851 Massachusetts White Wife
Edith S Mank
[Edith S Munk] Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1886 Oregon White Head
Jane S Mank
[Jane S Munk] Edith S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1912 Oregon White Daughter
View Record Edwin S Mank
[Edwin S Munk] Edith S Portland, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1914 Oregon White Son
View Record George E Munk Sauvies Island, Multnomah, Oregon abt 1859 Illinois White Lodger
Mabel J Munk Swan Rolling Bay, Kitsap, Washington abt 1888 Oregon White Wife
Swan S Munk Swan,
Mabel J Rolling Bay, Kitsap, Washington abt 1902 Washington White Son
Mabel M Munk Swan,
Mabel J Rolling Bay, Kitsap, Washington abt 1915 Washington White Daughter
Arthur Munk Ester Tacoma Ward 5, Pierce, Washington abt 1896 Oregon White Son-in-law Richard A Munk Arthur,
Ester Tacoma Ward 5, Pierce, Washington abt 1915 Washington White Grandson



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census



1930 Census

Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1930
(City,County,State) Estimated birth year Birthplace Relation

Fred L Munk Rose V Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA abt 1885 Oregon Head
Edith S Munk Portland, Multnomah, OR abt 1890 Oregon Head
Jane S Munk Edith S Portland, Multnomah, OR abt 1912 Daughter
Edwin S Munk Edith S Portland, Multnomah, OR abt 1914 Son
John A Munk Hallie M Portland, Multnomah, OR abt 1908 Idaho Head
Hallie M Munk John A Portland, Multnomah, OR abt 1910 Wife
George Munk Sauvies Island, Multnomah, OR abt 1859 Illinois Head
William J Munk Adair E Rockaway, Tillamook, OR Oregon Head
Adair E Munk Flora B,
William J Rockaway, Tillamook, OR abt 1897 Wife
Arthur R Munk Ester M Tacoma, Pierce, WA abt 1894 Oregon Head



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census

wsanman
13-05-07, 07:43
Additional information for my search for any information about my great grandmother Amelia Sanman, born June 19, 1870 in Vaasa and died October 28, 1918 in Portland, Oregon USA. Her maiden name was Munk (or Munck) but her sister Edla Sofia used the name Berg (or Burg) as the Munk family lived on Berg No. 4 farm in Weikars village, Mustasaari parish from 1857-1863. I have a document that lists her father’s name as John (or Johan) Munk. Johan Munk may have been born with the Berg or Burg name and then chose Munk as his farm name.

Amelia also went by the name of Emily, and sometimes her name is spelled Emelia. Amelia came to the US in 1901 and lived with Sofia in Chicago, Illinois USA from 1901 to 1904. She apparently returned to Finland for a short stay and returned to Chicago again later in 1904 prior to marrying my great grandfather Carl Edvart Sanman (Klockars) and settling in Portland, Oregon USA.
Can anyone help me find any records of Edla Sofia and Emilia Munk-Berg, in Mustasaari/Korsholm parish for the period between 1860-1870. Of course I’d like to find their ancestors to help me complete my family tree too. I’d like to find someone that has access to Mustasaari parish data in Finland.

I’d also like to know if anyone has access to census data for the Chicago area for 1900, 1910 and later if necessary.

Thanks,
Wayne Sanman

wsanman
10-07-07, 20:06
I've found a passport record for Emily, and also one for a "Anna Sofia Munk". This could also be Emily's sister "Sofia Burg/Berg" noted on the other posts on this thread. I do know from Emily's ships manifests that she was travelling to Chicago to stay with her sister Sofia Burg.
So now I am confused. I have an Edla Sofia Munk who had a father named Johan Munk, and I have a passport record with a Anna Sofia Munk that could also very well be my great grandmother's sister. Who knows? Who can help? Not sure what to do next, but perhaps if someone could look up the Anna Sofia Munk I've found to see is she had a father named John/Johan Munk/Munck. Here's what I have from Anna Sofia's passport record: Date of birth 1875, home parish Vaasa, passport date 20/08/1896, passport #2191, destination Amerikka.
Can anyone help?

Karen Douglas
11-07-07, 12:57
Hi Wayne,

I have an Edla Sofia Berg, born in 1879, in Korsholm. Her parents were Isak Isaksson Berg and Katerina Rönn. She was married to an Erik Elg and died in 1961. I know very little else about her, though. The Berg #4 house sounds familiar to me, tho. I will go back into my records and will let you know if I find anything. Karen

wsanman
11-07-07, 18:54
Karen,
Do you know if your Edla Sofia lived in Chicago at least from 1901-1904? Mine did. I'm not sure my Sofia was named Edla too, but it is possible as most of my Finn ancestors commonly used their middle names instead of their first names. Does the name Munk/Munck ring any bells? My Sofia's sister was Emelia/Amelia/Emily (my great grandmother) whose father was a John/Johan Munck/Munk. I haven't figured out if Berg was Sofia's married name or if she adopted Berg/Burg as a farm name to replace the Munk name? It's all very confusing.
Wayne Sanman

Karen Norwillo
11-07-07, 20:21
Wayne,
Unfortunately, the records for Korsholm only go to 1850. There were 2 Johan Erik Munk born in Korsholm which might be the father of Amelia and Sofia. One born 14.8.1840 to Isak Mattsson Munk and Anna Beata, the other born 31.8.1840 to Gabriel Gabrielsson Munk and Anna Greta. There were also 2 Johannes Munk, 3.2.1841 and 11.1.1843. All were born in the village of Höstvesi.
Karen

Denise
20-07-07, 03:29
Hi,
I don't know if this helps but there is a Rönn family on Berg #4 farm on Migration Institute.

Denise


Dweller's name Parish name Village name Farm name/Status Time period

Rönn Mustasaari Weikars Berg No 4 1857-1863

wsanman
27-07-07, 03:20
I’m still researching my great grandfather Carl Edvard Sanman who was born Karl Edvard Klockars prior to leaving Höstves Village to emigrate to the USA.

Some of you have heard this all before but, the puzzle I have been trying to solve is that he married in Portland, Oregon a woman named Emily Berg, whose father was John (or Johan) Munk according to the marriage record. A passenger list I found indicates that prior to her marriage and move to Portland she lived with her sister Sofia Berg in Chicago. So, now I am unsure what my great grandmother Emily’s (Amelia/Emelia) real surname was. Once I determine that, I’d like to find her ancestors and other relatives.

Good news! I think I found a clue on this website….

http://sydaby.eget.net/emig/emig_runsor.htm

My great grandfather is mentioned in several places, and the name Munk and Berg are all over this document of emigrants to the US on this website, including “Munk” right after this name.

# Karl Edvard Johan Henriksson Klockars, inhysing på Munk, f. 16.3.1859, till Sverige

Alas, I don’t speak Swedish so maybe someone will look over this list for Karl Edvard Klockars and all of the Munks and Bergs and figure out the connection to solve my puzzle. I did notice a Maria Sofia Berg which maybe Amelia’s sister Sofia Berg? I think the answer is here.



Another clue I have is from Google Earth. I was looking at Höstves village and I noticed that just east of Klockarsvägen (Klockars Road), there is a short road named “Munkintie”. As I know there are Klockars on Klockarsvägen, perhaps there are Munks close by on Munkintie.



Can anyone help?



Sincerely,

Wayne Sanman



P.S. I heard a rumor that Amelia and Karl Edvard Klockars may have been cousins. Shhhhhhhhhh.

Hasse
27-07-07, 07:42
A short translation of the records on the Sydaby site:

Karl Edvard Johan Henriksson Klockars, inhysing på Munk, f. 16.3.1859, till Sverige (inhysing=independent lodger, went to Sweden) hustru: (wife)


Johanna Axelsdotter Sparf, f. 9.4.1860, betyg till Amerika 23.8.1889 (papers for trip to America)
Barn: (children)


Selma Karolina, f. 18.5.1884, betyg till Amerika 23.8.1889 (papers for trip to America)
Karl Werner, f. 9.11.1885, betyg till Amerika 23.8.1889 (papers for trip to America)
Johan Edvard, f. 19.4.1887, betyg till Amerika 23.8.1889 (papers for trip to America)Maybe Staffan Storteir can assist you in the search. He is the one who has added this material into the web and maybe can contact the collector of the material - who possibly knows the area? You can find Staffan here on the Finlander forum and send him a personal message for example.

wsanman
08-08-07, 23:49
It appears I've solved my puzzle with the gracious help of Ann-Katrin Svenns. God bless her.
For all that tried to assist (June, Denise, et al) here's what I received from Ann-Katrin this morning:

Hello Wayne,

I have been searching for your ancestor Emily Berg,
I couldn't found that girl but I found another Emelie with the familyname Munk!
I doubt this is the same person as your Emily because she is so much younger than
Carl Edvard was. If these girls are the same person I don't know why she was called BERG in America??

Look at this:

Johan Gabrielsson MUNK, born Febr 3, 1841 in Korsholm, from Höstves village,
died Dec 7, 1907 in Höstves.
His first wife (he was married twice) was Johanna Karlsdotter Loo, born Nov 13, 1842
in Korsholm, died Oct 24, 1884.

Johan and Johanna had a lot of children two of them where:

Emelie Munk, born June 19, 1870 in Höstves, she moved out to Vasa in Nov 1, 1887.
her sister was Anna Sofia Munk, born Dec 12, 1873 in Höstves, she moved out to Vasa in June 3, 1892.

Then I don't know anything else about these sisters.

But!

Please send an e-mail to the parish of Vasa to mrs Mona Engsbo mona.engsbo*evl.fi
and ask Mona to search for the sisters IF they emigrated to America.

The name Berg was also a farms name in Höstves as the name Munk,
Emelie and Anna Sofia's familyname where Munk not Berg.

Well, well, it's not so easy finding the right person if one don't have the date of birth
and wrong familyname.
I wish you good luck in your researching!

Now I'm again taking vacation.

With the best greetings from
Ann-Katrin

Despite her uncertainty, I'm 100% sure she found my great grandmother, her sister and their parents too.
I'm still going to continue to try to get these Munks & Loos siblings and ancestors from Ann-Katrin when she returns from her vacation, but if anyone else wants to help I'd be very thankful.