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cdahlin
31-05-07, 22:53
I have been searching before information about my ggf Matts Mariasson Kiisk (or Kiski, possibly Kronkvist/Kronqvist), b. 1857 in Esse, later moved to Pedersöre, Kållby, Dalabäck with his wife and her parents as a son-in-law. He moved to America 18 Nov 1890 according to church records of Pedersöre. According to my father because of financial troubles. He returned back in 1899.

I have no idea of where he went, but his neighbors emigrated to Michigan some years after. Could be some common friend there? There were also neighbors in Astoria at that time.

It would be interesting to know where he lived and which boat he travelled on.
:confused:
Christian Dahlin

Karen Norwillo
01-06-07, 17:22
Christian,
I, too, have Kiisk ancestors from Esse. My grandmother's brother, Anders Andersson Långsjö was married to Selma Mattsdotter Kiisk. She was the daughter of Matts Gustafsson Kiisk and Greta Mattsdotter. Matts was born 10 Nov 1863 in Esse. I'll have to look through my info and see if I find any reference to a Maria Kiisk (Mariasson)
Karen

Karen Norwillo
02-06-07, 17:31
Looking back through my notes, I found only one Maria Kiisk.
Matts Johansson Kiisk 12.6.1821 in Esse and Anna Brita Jakobsdotter Rådmans 11.1.1814 in Esse. They married 1.12.1842 in Esse. Children: Anna Lena 28.3.1843, Lovisa 1.3.1844, Liisa 29.1.1846, Maria 18.9.1848, Johanna 17.12.1851, Greta 4.8.1853. All born in Esse.
Matts johansson Kiisk's parents were Johan Mattsson Kiisk 4.9.1788 and Lena Johansdotter Nygård 5.3.1789 in Lappfors.

It looks like my line goes through Greta. Matts Gustafsson, her husband, was born Tarvonen. . His parents were Hans-Gustav, used Gustav, Hansson Tarvonen and Kajsa Hansdotter Långsjövätten. She was his second wife and he was her second husband.
Karen

cdahlin
03-06-07, 17:54
The person I was asking about was born out of wedlock (=Mariasson). His mother was Maria Johansdotter Kiisk, b. 1831. I have no information about his father although it would be interesting too. I suppose this is impossible to clear up anymore. But it is not the same person you mentioned.

What I primary was interested in was his visit to USA between 1890 and 1899. Were did he go? What did he do?

Perhaps someone who has access to passenger lists could find something about him. Last winter Ancestry gave me a short temporary access to their database, but it was cut off at Christmas.

Christian

Karen Norwillo
03-06-07, 22:22
Christian,
I have an Ancestry subsciption. I will look to see what I can find. Unfortunately, Most of our 1890 census was destroyed, so those records are lost, unless he happened to go to a state where the records survived.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
04-06-07, 17:21
Christian,
I checked Ancestry for him under all those names and didn't see him I even checked some Canada arrivals for that time and didn't see him. But, some of the images were very pale, so he could be there. I checked Liverpool arrivals to Canada from late Nov to early Dec 1890.The closest I saw on Ancestry was a Matti Kiiski arriving 4 Feb 1892 on the "Ems" from Bremen to NY harbor. He was 28, which would be too young for your Matts. I checked state census for MI 1894 and Oregon 1890. No luck. With his time of arrival 1890 and 1899 return to Finland, he sort of falls through the cracks with census records.
Karen

cdahlin
04-06-07, 21:52
Thanks Karen for your help so far. During the short time I had access to Ancestry.com I also tried to search him, but could not find any information of value. But at that time I did not know his exact date of emigration or return date.

Christian

cdahlin
12-06-07, 16:28
Hello again!

I have got a new information that Matts travelled together with JOHAN KJELLMAN from Esse to Negaunee in nov 1890. Johan returned in ab. 2 years to Finland after getting "minarsjuka", but Matts stayed a little bit longer.

Could Johan Kjellman be found in a passenger list. Perhaps Matts is on the same list.
:confused:
Christian

cdahlin
13-06-07, 22:16
One more thing!

Johan Andersson Kjellman could also have used the name Johan Andersson Kiisk. Descendants believe that he lived in Negaunee and/or Crystal Falls in Michigan.

Johan was born in 1866. He stayed in USA only between Nov. 1890 and Oct 1891.

Could be interesting to see a passenger list with Johan, because I think that Matts Mariasson Kiisk-Kronqvist is very close to him.

Christian

June Pelo
14-06-07, 03:36
Christian,

I have a Johan Andersson Särsbacka-Kjellman, b. 17 Jul 1866, Terjärv?, married 21 Jan 1886, Esse to Edla Sofia Andersdotter Kiisk, b. 27 Aug 1868, Esse. They had a daughter Selma, b. 11 Dec 1896, Esse, who married 1917 to Victor Emil Johansson Stubb, b. 30 Aug 1894, Esse. They had 2 children: Lea and G.E.W.

June

Denise
14-06-07, 04:46
Hi,
Here is Johan Kjellman's passenger record. It is one of those manifest records with very little information, and doesn't state his destination. There was not a Matts Kiisk on the manifest.

Denise


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Kjellman
Arrival Date: 9 Jul 1888
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Finland
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Finnish
Ship Name: Arizona
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_522
List Number: 928
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States



Source Citation: Year: 1888; Arrival: New York , United States; Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: M237_522; Line: 5; List number: 928.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

cdahlin
14-06-07, 09:59
This is surely the right person. Seems like his descendants have the wrong date of emigration. Johan had a son, Viktor, who was born 12 Nov 1888 (the same year as Johan went to America). Next child was born 2 Jul 1892, so he is supposed to be back in Finland before Nov 1891 (at least 9 months before!).

Johan and Edla Sofia had 12 children.

It's a pity if you could not find my Matts Kiisk. They must have emigrated at different time. Church records in Pedersöre tell that he emigrated in Nov 1890. His youngest girl Emilia was born in Apr. 1890.

Christian

Karen Norwillo
14-06-07, 15:51
Christian,
I, too, saw that emigration for Johan. I checked the pages before and after him on the manifest, but no Matts. Karen

Denise
14-06-07, 17:35
Hi Christian,
Thought I would post the actual passenger record for you to see on Johan.


Denise

cdahlin
14-06-07, 21:53
Thanks again Denise!

Above Johan Kjellman I found another person from Esse; Alexander Ena. In my database I found that he died in USA 1939. So it is clear that these two travelled together.

But still no Matts Mariasson Kiisk!

Christian