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robinohio
26-07-07, 20:46
Would anyone have access to these two records. They are not in English so I dont know what to do. the first one Is Isaac Fraki passenger record the second on Denise said she thinks lists his parents. Can anyone see it. Ive been searching for his parents. Can someone please help
Robin

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=12397&merk=12397#ovre


http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/

Denise
26-07-07, 22:37
Hi Robin,
I'm posting the page from December 1854 for Isaac Frški, or what appears to be him for everyone to see. He is number 1 under the year 1855 on the left side page of the book.
I can't make out the names, but it appears to be Isaac. Maybe someone that is more familiar with reading the parish records can make out what it says.

Denise

robinohio
28-07-07, 19:02
Here is the translation that Matti sent me on Finngen list also the hiski record
so is this child Isaac Fraki or Frimodig and where did the Fraki name come from . If you follow Anna in Hiski she had more Ilegiimate children


30.12.1854 1.1.1855 Zv: Anna Stina Frimodig 37 Isaac (oš:)

Although I believe the Zv should be Qv.

Qvinna Anna Stina Frimodig oškta son Isaac
Fadr.
Pehr Lomakka med Hu Anna? Niskala med piga Maria Brita Risto, Johan Abrams.
Niskala och piga Eva Brita Keskitalo
Af August Kranck

Woman Anna Stina Frimodig's illegitimate son Isaac.
Godparents/witnesses
Pehr Lomakka with wife Anna? Niskala, with maid/unmarried woman Maria Brita
Risto, Johan Abrahamsson Niskala and maid/unmarried woman Eva Brita
Keskitalo.
(baptized) by August Kranck

Denise
28-07-07, 20:01
Hi Robin,
If you look at our Frški ancestry, we have a Rauni Onnetar? Keskitalo, b. 24 Dec. 1925 married to Eero Arvid Frški, b. 5 Oct. 1922. Eero's parents were Erkki Arvid Aabrammson Frški, b. 16 Nov. 1882, Alatornio, and Eveliina Grunninniva, b. 10 June 1885. Maybe the connection somehow has to do with the witnesses, for Isaac Frški/Frimodig's birth, as they are probably relatives in some way, (Johan Aabramsson Keskitalo and Briita Eva Keskitalo). Erkki Arvid had a brother Johan Abramsson Frški, b. 28 July 1871, so this witness, Johan Abramsson Keskitalo was probably, a Frški, until he moved to the Keskitalo farm with Brita Eva Keskitalo. Maybe Rauni was a sister to Brita Eva? Am I confusing you yet? :confused:

Denise

Denise
28-07-07, 20:11
Hey Robin,
Could Frimodig be the Swedish or Norwegian translation of the name Fräki? Just a thought! :D

Denise

robinohio
28-07-07, 20:49
Denise
Im always confused. When you look at the book the name Isaac is very clear.but what is the name after Isaac is it Fraki.
Guess what we need to know is this child listed as Isaac Fraki is that what name is written beside Isaac in the book. If not where did he get the name Fraki did he move to the Fraki farm ?
When you look at the hiski records the Frimodig family did live in Karunki. Im not good at following records but Anna Stina moved to Neder Tornea in 1844
In 1848 she moved back to Karunki with a son Alexander from Keim
Then these births are listed I dont know if they are all her or just Isaac
Can someone help us.
Robin
these are in Karunki

Christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

1.6.1839 2.6.1839 P: Anna Stina Frimodig Johannes (oš:)

10.11.1842 13.11.1842 Dejan Anna Stina Frimodig 28 Maria Caisa (oš:)

28.11.1847 5.12.1847 Kemi s:n Dejan Stina Frimodig Maria Caisa (oš:)

30.12.1854 1.1.1855 Zv: Anna Stina Frimodig 37 Isaac (oš:)

Denise
28-07-07, 21:21
Hi Robin,
Here are the farms the Frimodig name are dwellers on. Maybe her farm name, instead of Fräki, or were illegitimate children sometimes named after the child's father? I don't know the rules on that one! :( As far as whether the child, Isaac's last name is Fräki on that parish record, your guess is as good as mine! I can't read it!

Denise




(Farm names)



Dweller's name Parish name Village name Farm name/Status Time period
Frimodig Hollola Uskela Anttila No 2 1871-1880
Frimodig Lohtaja Marinkainen Backstugu, pg 272 1864-1870
Frimodig Karunki Karunki Drengar J, pg 195 1869-1880
Frimodig Brändö Björkholma Handverkare, pg 16 1860-1866
Frimodig Hollola Uskela Hannula No 7 1871-1880
Frimodig Saltvik Ödkarby Inbyggare, pg 176 1856-1862
Frimodig Saltvik Liby Inbyggare, pg 80 1856-1862
Frimodig Kökar Överboda Inhyseshjon, pg 46 1864-1870
Frimodig Somero Ollila Karvia, pg 503 1871-1880
Frimodig Sund Castelholma Kungsgård, pg 29 1858-1864
Frimodig Hollola Laitiala Laitiala No 1 1871-1880
Frimodig Laihia Isokylä Nikkinen No 5 1859-1865
Frimodig Saltvik Haraldsby No 1, pg 51 1856-1862
Frimodig Saltvik Hagaby No 2, pg 39 1856-1862
Frimodig Finström Godby No 3, pg 80 1852-1857

Frimodig Finström Godby No 6, pg 87 1852-1857
Frimodig Sund Castelholma Nytorp, pg 43 1858-1864
Frimodig Oulu City BBB Pg 121 1868-1880
Frimodig Jyväskylä City Jyväskylä City Quarteret, Page 177 1854-1871
Frimodig Jyväskylä City Jyväskylä City Quarteret, Page 240 1854-1871
Frimodig Sund Castelholma Skutvik, pg 46 1858-1864
Frimodig Alatornio Alatornio Tjenstefolk, F, pg 457 1869-1880
Frimodig Sund Castelholma Tomte, pg 49 1858-1864
Frimodig Laihia Kylanpää Torkko No 3 1859-1865
Frimodig Karunki Kukkola Torpare, pg 128 1869-1880

robinohio
28-07-07, 22:22
Well according to the record on Institue of migration Isaac fraki was born Date of birth: 17.12.1854
Place of birth: Karunki

the Isaac you found was born on the 30th of Dec 1854 in Karunki and christened in Jan 1855

His death certificate lists him as being born 1864 dec 17th

The US census for 1895 lists him being born 1863 and the 1905 census lists him being born 1855


Frimodig Alatornio Alatornio Tjenstefolk, F, pg 457 1869-1880

robinohio
28-07-07, 22:40
Well according to the record on Institue of migration Isaac fraki was born Date of birth: 17.12.1854
Place of birth: Karunki

the Isaac you found was born on the 30th of Dec 1854 in Karunki and christened in Jan 1855 . So the month and place are right

His death certificate lists him as being born 1864 dec 17th no parents listed. The informant was his wife Ida. Did she never know who his parents were.

The US census for 1895 lists him being born 1863 and the 1905 census lists him being born 1855

In the farm names you found Frimodig's live in the same area as our Fraki family


Frimodig Alatornio Alatornio Tjenstefolk, F, pg 457 1869-1880
Frimodig Karunki Kukkola Torpare, pg 128 1869-1880

Denise
28-07-07, 23:11
Hi Robin,
Here's the previous page of the Kurunki parish records for 1854. I don't see an Isaac here either, do you? So, he wasn't born October 1854-January 1855. I'll look tonight when I get home from work. :)


Denise

Denise
29-07-07, 02:38
Hi Robin,
The Karunki parish records only go to 1857, so if he was born later than that, we're SOL. The Alatornio, if he was born there, until 1827. So.... It looks like a letter to Karunki parish might be the solution to finding that Isaac Frški. By the way, what year was wife Ida born?

Denise

robinohio
29-07-07, 03:50
Matti found this that clearly lists Isaac as Anna Stina Frimodig.So this not Isaac Fraki
http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/karunki/rippikirja_1852-1858_ik196/107

Matti suggests we find someone who can look in the Karungi Karl Gustav Parish records of Sweden. Here we go across the river again.

Denise
29-07-07, 04:18
Hey Robin,
Do we have this Isak yet? :rolleyes: How many Isaac/Isac/Isak Frški's are there??? http://home.no.net/~tballo/confirmed.htm

We could have a contest; how many Isak Fraki's can you find? or where's Isak (ie. where's waldo? Tee Hee!)
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Maria Caisa Frški Carl Gustav 27.11.1846 Isak Isaksson Fraki
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This is too much for my brain to handle tonight!

Denise

P.S. There are a bunch of Anundi names here too! I'm beginning to doubt that I'm Finnish!

Caisa Marie Anundi Carl Gustav, sw 06.03.1856 Per Anundi Maria Aronsdatter 16.03.1873 Skallelv
Gretha Mathilda Anundi VadsÝ 01.03.1858 Johan Anundi Gretha Johansdatter 07.12.1873 Langbonśs, VardÝ parish
Johan Anundi Carl Gustav, sw 24.10.1852 Johan Jacobsson Anundi Gretha Lisa Johansdtr. Nšrki 22.03.1868 Skallelv
Johan Aron Persson Anundi Kukkola, sw 06.03.1848 Per Johannesson Anundi Marie Aronsdatter 13.11.1864 Skallelv
Maria Caroline Anundi Carl Gustav 06.03.1856 Per Anundi Maria Aronsdatter 16.03.1873 Skallelv
Per Anundi Carl Gustav, sw 12.10.1854 Per Anundi

Denise
29-07-07, 04:29
Hi Robin,
Here's more from LDS. (2 from Sweden)

Denise


Results for: Isak Frški [refine search]
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 10
International Genealogical Index - Finland
1. ISAAC FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUN 1796 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

2. ISAAC FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JUL 1816 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

3. ISAAK FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 18 JAN 1829 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

4. ISAAC FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 20 OCT 1830 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

5. ISAAK FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1840 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

6. ISAK FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAY 1852 Alatornio, Lappi, Finland

7. Isaac W. Fraki - International Genealogical Index / FI
Gender: Male Birth: , , Finland

Matches: International Genealogical Index/Finland - 7

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International Genealogical Index - North America
8. Isaac W. Fraki - International Genealogical Index / NA
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 AUG 1902 Franklin, , Houghton, Michigan

Matches: International Genealogical Index/North America - 1

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International Genealogical Index - Sweden
9. ISAK ERIKSSON OR FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / SW
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1848 Kuckola, Karl Gustav, Norrbotten, Sweden

10. ISAK ERIKSSON OR FRAKI - International Genealogical Index / SW
Gender: Male Marriage: 02 MAY 1875 Kuckola, Karl Gustav, Norrbotten, Sweden

robinohio
29-07-07, 05:35
Do we have this Isak yet? How many Isaac/Isac/Isak Frški's are there??? http://home.no.net/~tballo/confirmed.htm
Denise
I have not found a place for this Isaac yet . I do have Isaac born 1815 that I have not found his wifes name . His son was Erik Isakson Fraki who was born in 1839 could this be them and this is a sister to Erik. These are all Swedish Fraki's who ended up in New York Mills Minn.

Also Our Finnish Fraki's Maria Sophia Fraki b. 1880 Married Axle Anundi and they did move to Kukkula
Also Hulda Fraki Married Erkki Rantakokko and they also lived in Kukkula

robinohio
29-07-07, 05:39
Do we have this Isak yet? How many Isaac/Isac/Isak Frški's are there??? http://home.no.net/~tballo/confirmed.htm
Denise
I have not found a place for this Isaac yet . I do have Isaac born 1815 that I have not found his wifes name . His son was Erik Isakson Fraki who was born in 1839 could this be them and this is a sister to Erik. These are all Swedish Fraki's who ended up in New York Mills Minn.

Also Our Finnish Fraki's Maria Sophia Fraki b. 1880 Married Axle Anundi and they did move from Alatornio to Kukkola
Also her sister Hulda Fraki Married Erkki Rantakokko and they also moved Kukkola
My brain is tied in a Finnish/ Swedish Fraki knot. I cant think anymore