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cdahlin
12-09-07, 17:24
Hello!

I have a request from his grandchildren for more information about this man. He was probably a Swede-Finn. His birth date is given as 31 Mar 1885, Finland and he emigrated to USA (California?) in 1886. This must be together with his parents in that case.

He eventually married Alema (Alina, Alena) Wilhelmina Kronqvist, born 1884 in Astoria. He died 18 Dec 1975 in California.

Name of his parents, origin in Finland?

Christian

Karen Norwillo
12-09-07, 22:18
Christian,
Found alot on Axel, but the birth date you have isn't matching the one who married Alina. I'm sending both so you can see. I'll attach those first. Then send the census info so you can see the family. Karen

Karen Norwillo
12-09-07, 22:22
Here's the 1910-1920 and 1930 census images. So far haven't found the emigration, but it's very possible the spelling wasn't Newman in 1886. I'll check other spellings. Karen

cdahlin
12-09-07, 22:47
Thank you Karen!

I have had the wrong birthdate and now I have to check his deathdate too. In my database he died 1975 (101 years old). Not impossible, but...

The birth year must be 1874. His wife and family match the rest of my information. I found the same person in K-G Olin's book about Finnish emigration to California "Guld och röda skogar" (Gold and Red Woods). There was nothing about his family in that book.

His grandchildren are now interested in his origin.

Christian

June Pelo
12-09-07, 23:04
I have several Nyman families from Finland who took the Newman name in the US. One family went to Superior, WI and the other to Hoquiam, WA.

June

Karen Norwillo
12-09-07, 23:07
Christian,
From the CA Death Index, Axel August Newman 3 Sep 1874-8 Oct 1954 Alameda county, CA
Alena Kronquist Newman 26 Aug 1884 Oregon-28 Sep 1946 Alameda county, CA ,mmn Johnson, father Kronquist. 1900 census, her parents were Matts and Johanna Kronquist, sister Marie, brother Carl Alex.
Karen

cdahlin
13-09-07, 08:00
Hi Karen!

Your new information of his death date must be OK. His wife died in 1946 and all the other information matches my database. The hand-written document I received from relatives in USA was not so easy to read.

Hi June!

Axel lived in California, perhaps in Alameda, not in Wisconsin. I do understand that his name probably was Nyman in Finland.

But at that time the name "Nyman" was a very popular name when a man moved from one place to another. Just to show that he has started a new life, he took the name Nyman (New Man). And in Finland the reformation of the family name had not started yet, so we must be a little bit careful when searching for a Nyman in Finland in 1886.

From a windy rainy Finland!

Christian

June Pelo
13-09-07, 22:17
Christian,

The Newman I have is Otto Johansson Nyman-Newman from Nedervetil. There was a large Nyman family in Nedervetil and they had 2 sons who emigrated and took the Newman name.

June

cdahlin
17-09-07, 21:31
Hi again!

In the book I mentioned before it seems that I have found his family. The whole family seems to have moved to California in 1886. They were:

Husband: August Nyman, b. Finland
Wife: Sophia (Sofia) Nyman, b. 1846, Finland. To California 1880 (1886?)
Son: Axel A. Nyman, b. 1874, Finland. To California 1886. Printer job
Son: Carl W. Nyman, b. 1877, Finland. To California 1886. Musician
Son: Einar Nyman, b. 1879, Finland. To California 1886. Miner

As you see there is no information about whether their father moved to USA or not.

I hope this will help to find their birth place in Finland.

Christian

Karen Norwillo
17-09-07, 22:21
I think this is your family in 1910. Looks like the parents kept the Nyman spelling. Karen

cdahlin
17-09-07, 22:46
Thanks Karen!

I could not read the immigration year of Axel A. Nyman, but it looked like he had immigrated before his wife. Not unusual at that time.

But where were the boys? I could not see them in the census.

The family was Swedish Finns, but no birth origin place was found.

Perhaps a passenger list could tell something?

Christian

Karen Norwillo
17-09-07, 23:01
Christian,
This is the 1910 Census. By then the boys would have been on their own. It only shows August and Sofia, now 61. I found the 1866 arrival for Sofia and the boys. 19 Jul 1886 on the Celtic. Said they left from Sweden. She is listed as Christina. I did notice on the 1910 census, she is Sofia C. So she must be Christina Sofia.

Karen Norwillo
17-09-07, 23:21
I went back and looked at the record from 1910 at 200 magnification, it says August Nyman, age 61, married once, 36 years in marriage, Finn-Swede, US 1878, watchman steamboat. Sophia C. Nyman is also 61, 3 children, 3 living, US 1886.
I found a possible 1879 arrival for an Anders A Nyman, born abt 1849, arriving 8 Aug 1879, but no August or Axel August.

cdahlin
18-09-07, 08:10
Thanks Karen!

So August went to US 1878 while his wife Sophia was pregnant (Einar b. 1879). Sophia Christina and the boys came over at 1886. Marriage in 1885 (or 1886) when Sophia already had three boys? Probably August is not father of the boys at all! Sophia was probably a widow with three boys and married August in US. Could explain why I did not find any of the boys on Hiski birth records with parents August and Sofia!

Christian

Karen Norwillo
18-09-07, 16:01
Christian,
I found Einar and his wife and also his WWI Draft Registration. Einar was born 7 May 1879. If August came in 1878, he still could be the father of the boys. Unusual that he'd leave a pregnant wife, but not impossible. Strange that it took so long for her to follow him. She is listed as Nyman though on the ships manifest. Maybe he just couldn't afford to send for his family until then.
Sorry about the type error about the 1886 arrival. I wrote 1866 in one place. Have to proof read better. Karen

cdahlin
18-09-07, 16:23
You are quite right, Karen. I misunderstood when you said "36 years in marriage". This did NOT mean 36 years AT marriage. So they seemed to be married in late 1873 or early 1874. August was surely the father of these boys.

I have sent continously this information to the descendants in California, but I have not still got any response to this information. I hope that they can pick up some interesting track.

You are a great friend with a lot of information sources!

Christian