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Ayla
26-12-07, 19:42
Hello Everyone!

I hope everyone had a good Christmas, now we need to get the New Year in :)

Please can someone help me understand this. When we talk about 2nd,3rd cousins etc what does it mean when we use the 'removed' with it. I am so confused about that.

Also, my great grandmother was sisters with someone who has a great grand daughter, who I think I have found and I need to send her a letter.

Anyway, basically, my great grandmother and her great grandmother were sisters. Sooo, what does that make us? How many cousins are we? :D

Many thanks for your help!

Ayla

June Pelo
26-12-07, 20:17
Ayla,

I have a chart that explains all of that, but don't have access to my database from here. When I get home next week, I'll be able to send it to you.

June :)

Jaska Sarell
26-12-07, 23:45
Ayla,

If you share common grandparents with someone you are 1st cousins. If common great grandparents, you are 2nd cousins etc.
In your example of your great grandmother and someone else's great grandmother being sisters, you share common great great grandparents and are thus 3rd cousins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin may give you some light.

BTW. In Finnish or Swedish the term removed has no equivalent and we have to explain the relationship more precisely, like grandmother's 4th cousin or father's 3rd cousin - not 4th cousin twice removed or 3rd cousin once removed.

:) Jaska

Ayla
27-12-07, 19:48
Thank you very much June and Jaska. It all makes a bit more sense now :D
If it is still ok and not too much trouble June, please may I see a copy of your chart too whenever you are free and back home. Many thanks.
Ayla

Hasse
27-12-07, 21:13
The graph June refered to can be found here (http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Cousin_Finder)

b hietala
28-12-07, 06:28
The designation of cousins twice and thrice removed is confusing. I don't even concern myself with such designations, however, I use the once removed designation quite often and I usually make my own graph to determine relationships. It begins with the common ancestor and works down... The first generation are siblings, their children are first cousins, their children are 2nd cousins, and their children are 3rd cousins (children to children). The "removed" designation comes into play when referring to the relationship between children and the previous generation. For instance, my uncles son is my first cousin.. My son and his son are second cousins, however... my son's relationship to MY first cousin is not the same as a second cousin. It is in between those relationships, so a first cousin once removed.

At least that's my interpretation... perhaps I am wrong about that, but this is a good place to find out.

Ayla
28-12-07, 18:05
Thank you so much for that Hasse, that is so useful!
Also thank you for writing b hietala. I must admit I am so confused about the 'removed' aspect of the cousins issue so I try not to use the word at all now! :o

Jaska Sarell
28-12-07, 23:21
This thread reminds me of the difficulty in translating genealogy software from one language to another.

As there's no word for grandfather or grandmother in Swedish, the English to Swedish translator has to use farfar eller morfar for grandfather, and for great great grandmother the translation would similarly be farfarfarmor eller farfarmormor eller farmorfarmor eller farmormormor eller morfarfarmor eller morfarmormor eller mormorfarmor eller mormormormor.

Similarly there's no word for niece and nephew in Finnish. We must describe whether we mean sister's or brother's children. Thus nephew should be translated as sisarenpoika tai veljenpoika.

The exact information is, of course, known by the software, but the original creator should know the limitations of his own as well as other languages.

BTW. When Donald Duck was translated to Finnish, his nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie were called veljenpojat, meaning brother's sons. Then their descendancy from Donald's sister Della was not yet known. Translation has not been changed, however :D

:) Jaska

Ayla
29-12-07, 19:56
:eek:
I'm not sure if I'm more confused now or not Jaska

:) Many thanks for the info. Happy New Year!

christina
03-01-11, 11:21
The graph June refered to can be found here (http://sfhs.eget.net/P_articles/cousinfinder.html)

Hasse! Länken fungerar inte. Skulle behöva denna släktskapstavla.

Hälsningar och Gott Nytt År till er all
Christina Nordback

Hasse
03-01-11, 11:26
Hasse! Länken fungerar inte. Skulle behöva denna släktskapstavla.

Hälsningar och Gott Nytt År till er all
Christina Nordback

Finns bl.a. på länken här (http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Cousin_Finder)

Hasse
03-01-11, 11:35
Hasse! Länken fungerar inte. Skulle behöva denna släktskapstavla.

Hälsningar och Gott Nytt År till er all
Christina Nordback

Nu hittade jag den bild jag tänkte länka till. Här är den - på engelska.

I remembered seeing a new graphic representation of the relationships - here is the picture linked (thanks go to: www.genealogia.se (http://www.genealogia.se))
http://www.genealogi.se/wiki/images/d/d2/Kinship_en.png

christina
03-01-11, 22:58
Tack så mycket Hasse.
Mvh
Christina