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Ayla
01-01-08, 16:13
Happy New Year to everyone.

Please can anyone advise me where I start my search for my 2 great aunts who went to live in America. They are sisters.

Ines Ingrid Brander
born 5 January 1890
went to America in 1912 - dont know where :(
died 12 August 1929
She died young :(( I wonder how.

She was possibly married to someone with the surname Jokinen.

Her sister

Aina Sigrid Brander
born 27 December 1892
went to America in 1915 and went to Detroit.

She was possibly married to someone with the surname Määttä.

Also, one of these sisters ' husbands was called Erhart and one of them had a daughter called Elli. I am not sure which but I do think that Erhart is Elli's dad.

Many thanks for your help.
Have a lovely New Year Day. Warm wishes from London, Siberian winds are on their way to us tomorrow apparently!

Ayla
xxxx

Denise
01-01-08, 19:27
Hi Ayla,
Here is some information on Erhart Jokinen and wife Ines from the 1920 Census. Still looking for more! :D

Denise

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Erhart Jokinen
Home in 1920: Peabody Ward 4, Essex, Massachusetts
Age: 30 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ines
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1911
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 347
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Erhart Jokinen 30
Ines Jokinen 30
Elli Jokinen 6




Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Peabody Ward 4, Essex, Massachusetts; Roll: T625_696; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 244; Image: 347.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census

Ayla
01-01-08, 19:28
Denise, you are an absolute star! A real diamond! Thank you so very much. My mum will be thrilled.

Denise
01-01-08, 19:31
More...

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Erhard Jokinen
Home in 1930: Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Erhard Jokinen 41
Elli Jokinen 16
Matti Trevari 40




Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Peabody, Essex, Massachusetts; Roll: 902; Page: 17B; Enumeration District: 236; Image: 508.0.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census

Ayla
01-01-08, 19:35
Ok, now we have calmed down a bit here from all the excitement :)))

How do I go on to find what happened to Elli and if she got married etc? I have a few photos of her of when she was a child and a young lady, would they help perhaps?

Thank you so very much again!

Denise
01-01-08, 19:35
More...

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Erhard Jokinen
City: Peabody
County: Essex
State: Massachusetts
Birthplace: Finland
Birth Date: 31 Jan 1889
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1684681
DraftBoard: 26
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: View Image



Source Citation: Registration Location: Essex County, Massachusetts; Roll: 1684681; Draft Board: 26.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

Denise
01-01-08, 19:37
Last post wouldn't let me attach the actual image...trying again. :)

Denise
01-01-08, 19:48
This appears to be the correct Aina Sigrid Määttä. Odd, this is the first Finn I've ever found living in Kentucky!

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Aina Maatta
Home in 1930: Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Maatta 49
Aina Maatta 37
Tillie A Maatta 18
Axel Maki 36




Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky; Roll: 758; Page: 38A; Enumeration District: 150; Image: 1014.0.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census

Denise
01-01-08, 19:55
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: John Maatta
Home in 1920: Detroit Ward 2, Wayne, Michigan
Age: 39 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1903
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 498
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Laban A Parsons 71
Ilora L Parsons 48
Helen Kanninen 27
Hepola Gilewaklia 19
Billie M Parananesa 22
Keijo Ensis Frilund 8
Elliga Lwia Frilund 33
Guslaf Felix Frilund 41
John Larrn 37
Henry Kettlinen 48
John Maatta 39
Sulo Hzalme Sandran 29
John V Pasnanen 49
Antti Wm Pasanen 30
Otto Paakkale 34
William Kari 33
Emil Koskela 22
Fred Untunen un
Emma Juntunen un




Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Detroit Ward 2, Wayne, Michigan; Roll: T625_802; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 76; Image: 498.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census

Denise
01-01-08, 20:01
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Anna Brander
Home in 1920: Detroit Ward 6, Wayne, Michigan
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1916
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 821
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard T Mason 40
Maud Mason 39
Jack Mason 9
Anna Brander 27




Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Detroit Ward 6, Wayne, Michigan; Roll: T625_806; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 217; Image: 821.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census

Ayla
01-01-08, 20:06
yes, this is definately the 2 sisters and families. Wonderful.
Where should I look now to see if there are any living relatives of my 2 great aunts? I know it will be difficult because Elli maybe got married and lost her Jokinen name. :( Also Aina's daughter Tillie.

Any ideas of web sites etc I can try? Many thanks again.
Ayla
xxx

Denise
01-01-08, 20:12
Kentucky Birth Index, 1911-1999
Name: Ann L Eichele
Date of Birth: 11 Oct 1937
County: Jefferson
Mother's Name: Tillie Maatta
Volume Number: 091
Certificate Number: 45070
Volume Year: 1937



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Kentucky Birth Index, 1911-1999


Ayla, This is John and Aina Määtä's grand-daughter, Ann's birth. I'm now looking for their daughter Tillie married to someone with the surname Eichelle.

Denise
01-01-08, 20:17
Social Security Death Index
Name: Tillie A. Eichele
SSN: 403-34-9648
Last Residence: 40214 Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States of America
Born: 18 Apr 1912
Died: 16 May 1998
State (Year) SSN issued: Kentucky (Before 1951 )



Source Citation: Number: 403-34-9648;Issue State: Kentucky;Issue Date: Before 1951.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Social Security Death Index

Denise
01-01-08, 20:20
Ayla,
This was Tillie Eichele's (Määtta) address in Kentucky. I'll see if I can find more. :D

Denise

Discover Your Family StoryU.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002 U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
Name: Tillie Eichele
Address: 1877 Farnsley Rd
City: Louisville
State: Kentucky
Zip Code: 40216-4701
Phone Number: 502-447-8190
Residence Years: 1998 1999
View Neighbors: View Neighbors



Source Citation: City: Louisville; State: Kentucky; Year(s): 1998 1999.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002

Denise
01-01-08, 21:40
Hi Ayla,
This site may prove helpful for the Määttä and Eichele surnames.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjeffer/

I'm running out of ideas on where to go from here. Too bad there weren't males born; would be easier to track. :(

Denise

Denise
01-01-08, 21:48
And, I remember this site was helpful for Essex County, Massachusetts genealogy when I was trying to help someone else with records that weren't available on Ancestry. http://home.att.net/~Local_History/MA-Essex-Co.htm
Also, try the various libraries in the counties you are searching as sometimes for a few dollars they will find and make copies of their records.

Denise

Denise
01-01-08, 22:01
Here are Brander's listed on the Social Security Death Index for Massachusetts.

Data Source: Social Security Death Index

Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence
(City,County,State)


Albert C. Brander 2 Aug 1919 9 Dec 1998 Attleboro, Bristol, Massachusetts

Annie Brander 23 Mar 1889 Jan 1985 Lynn, Essex, Massachusetts

Della Brander 25 May 1903 Oct 1967 Arlington, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Donald E. Brander 4 Apr 1927 15 Sep 2002 Everett, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Elaine Brander 29 Sep 1929 10 Jul 2000 Everett, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Fannie Brander 28 Mar 1891 Apr 1973 Roslindale, Suffolk, Massachusetts

Fanny Brander 11 Mar 1895 Jun 1982 Walpole, Norfolk, Massachusetts

Frederick Brander 11 Nov 1885 Jun 1973 Plainville, Norfolk, Massachusetts

George Brander 16 Aug 1892 Jul 1967 Walpole, Norfolk, Massachusetts

Ida Brander 16 Mar 1892 Jul 1986 Mansfield, Bristol, Massachusetts

Ida Brander 13 Apr 1889 Oct 1979 Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusetts

John Brander 9 Sep 1924 Mar 1979 Wilmington, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Karin E. Brander 31 Dec 1901 15 Mar 1975 Everett, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Lester E. Brander 27 Oct 1926 22 Oct 2004 Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts

Lois Brander 15 Oct 1908 Jul 1973 Huntington, Hampshire, Massachusetts

Walter Brander 11 Jan 1886 Nov 1978 Nahant, Essex, Massachusetts


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Social Security Death Index

Denise
01-01-08, 23:37
Hi Ayla,
Here is Ines Brander's passenger record.

Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Ines Brander
Arrival Date: 5 Sep 1912
Age: 22 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cymric
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Gustaf Janson
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Pori, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 183



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
01-01-08, 23:44
Hi Ayla,
Thought I would post all the Brander's going to Massachusetts in case they are related. Here is the passenger record of Aleksandra Brander.

Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Aleksandra Brander
Arrival Date: 4 Jul 1907
Age: 22 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Saxonia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Emma Ruonomaki
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Mahhila, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 110



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
01-01-08, 23:51
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Charlotta Brander
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1912
Age: 21 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Emil Rapp
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Pirkkala, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 179



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
01-01-08, 23:57
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Johanna Brander
Arrival Date: 7 Jul 1910
Age: 36 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cymric
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Eduard Biandell
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Wirrat, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 151



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 00:05
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Kaarlo Brander
Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1913
Age: 25 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Yrjo Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Pirkkala, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 199



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 00:11
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Karl Brander
Arrival Date: 4 Jun 1905
Age: 18 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cymric
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Viktor Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 84



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943


Ayla,
This passenger record is only a one pager. :)

Denise
02-01-08, 01:56
This is another Karl Brander and it is only one page long too.

Denise

Discover Your Family StoryBoston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Karl Brander
Arrival Date: 8 Sep 1906
Age: 22 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Republic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Nicodemus Kivi
Last Residence: Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 98



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:04
Have I already sent you this one???:confused:

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Nicolo Brander
Arrival Date: 25 Jul 1912
Age: 22 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Hugo Koosman
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Ahlannon, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 181



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:09
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Senja Brander
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1910
Age: 11 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Victor Hrander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Ulvila, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 147



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:17
This is a repeat; has Charlotta Brander on it.

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Yrjo Brander
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1912
Age: 19 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Emil Rapp
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Pirkkala, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 179



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:24
Thought I would include the following ones, as they are going to a Brander's as a final destination. Probably related somehow...;)

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Hjalmar Alakauppi
Arrival Date: 12 May 1910
Age: 21 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cymric
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Viktor Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Laitila, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 148



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:30
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Juho Emil Huori
Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1913
Age: 21 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Ivernia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Francis Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Uluila, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 191



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:36
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Frans Rankanen
Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1913
Age: 32 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Ivernia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Francis Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Uluila, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 191



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:41
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Vivtor Salmela
Arrival Date: 23 Mar 1910
Age: 20 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Kaarlo Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Tampere, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 145



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 02:48
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Evertti Wirtanen
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1910
Age: 36 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Frans Brander
Last Residence: Finland
Birthplace: Kokeenaki, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 147



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 03:50
Hi Ayla,
I found this passenger record on the Institute of Migration. http://www.migrationinstitute.fi/index_e.php
Ines must have went to Finland for a visit before she died in 1929. Sad that she died a year later.


Detailed passenger information

Last name Jokinen
First names Ines
Age or age group 37
Port of departure Helsinki
Place of destination Boston
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 97
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 04.04.1928
Ship from England Carmania
Date of departure from England 14.04.1928
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England Southmpton
List and page 127/76
Remarks Mk Erland ja Elli Jokinen.

Ayla
02-01-08, 04:49
Hi Denise,

That is so amazing about Ines' trip to Finland before she died. That ties in perfectly with what my 83 year old uncle told me.

He said he remembers them visiting from America, he was only about 5 or 6 and living in Helsinki. They brought him and my other uncle a really nice toy or instrument of some sort from the US as a gift. After their visit, they went back to the States and contact was lost......until now, well, if only I can find Elli. :confused:

It is 02.45 now and I need to get some sleep. Hubby has been on here all evening until about an hour ago playing. I was desperate to get on here to continue reading the records!
:( My eyes just won't let me now.

Thank you ever so much again for everything. I have lots of things to try now. I do have a possible lead for Aina's grandaughter amazingly, it is a long shot but I will give that a go tomorrow.....today :D Who knows, she may know what happened to Elli. Worth a try eh!

Night!

Ayla
xxx

Denise
02-01-08, 05:42
Hi Ayla,
I found the actual passenger record for the family when they arrived back to Massachusetts.

Goodnight,
Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Elli E Jokinen
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1928
Age: 14 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Finnish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Carmania
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: United States of America
Birthplace: Peabody, United States of America
Microfilm Roll Number: 334



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943

Denise
02-01-08, 05:47
I searched the Social Security Death Index and just put first name as Elli, and birth as 1914. This is the only one that came up in Massachusetts! I think it's her! :D

Social Security Death Index
Name: Elli Pajari
SSN: 029-28-2603
Last Residence: 964 (U.S. Consulate) Helsinki, Finland
Born: 17 Feb 1914
Died: 14 Sep 2000
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (1953-1955 )



Source Citation: Number: 029-28-2603;Issue State: Massachusetts;Issue Date: 1953-1955.

Denise
02-01-08, 05:56
This one is a possibility...


U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
Name: Wilbur H Pajari
Service Info.: COX US COAST GUARD WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1916
Death Date: 9 May 2005
Cemetery: Wildwood Cemetery
Cemetery Address: Gardner, MA 01440



Source Information:
National Cemetery Administration. U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data: National Cemetery Administration. Nationwide Gravesite Locator.
Description:
This database is a compilation of burial records from a variety of sources and cemeteries. These records provide information on the burials of U.S. veterans and their dependents who were buried in the various Veterans Affairs (VA) National Cemeteries, state veterans cemeteries, or other military cemeteries. Because the information regarding the burials is compiled from multiple sources, the amount of information provided for each burial will vary. Some of the information you may find in this database includes: name of deceased, birth date, death date, interment date, burial location/site, cemetery name, cemetery address, relationship to veteran, veteran service dates, military rank, and military branch.

Denise
02-01-08, 06:28
U.S. Public Records Index
Name: Wilbur H Pajari
Birth Date: Jan 1916
Street address: 1 Oak St
City: Baldwinville
County: Worcester
State: Massachusetts
Zip Code: 01436
Phone Number: 978-939-8119
Record Number: 297948929
Household Members: Name Est. Age Birth Year
Wilbur H Pajari
Wilbur H Pajari 92 1916




Source Information:
Ancestry.com. U.S. Public Records Index [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2007. Original data: Compiled from various U.S. public records.
Description:
The U.S. Public Records Index is a compilation of various public records spanning all 50 states in the United States from 1984 to the present. Entries in this index may contain the following information: name, street or mailing address, telephone number, birth date or birth year.

Denise
02-01-08, 06:32
Hi Ayla,
Found this query and thought you might be interested...




Genealogical Society of Finland
Finngen mailing list archive


MAATTA, PAJARI, MOILANEN KAUPPILA

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From "Bob Watt" <rwatt*intouchmi.com>
Date Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:45:22 -0500
Reply-to finngen*genealogia.fi

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Hello Everyone,

Looking for any help at all in my research of the Maatta and Pajari's families. Unfortunately, I do not go back very far and I don't have much info. John Henry Maatta was born in 1889 in Oulu, Finland and immigrated to Houghton Co., MI in 1907. His father was also John and his mother was Rekiins Moilanen. John Henry died in Houghton Co., MI in 1963. John married in 1911 in Hancock, MI to Matilda and/or Tilda Pajari. Matilda was born in 1885 in Finland and died in 1922 in Chassell, MI. Matilda's parents were Erick Pajari and Marie Liisa Kauppila.

I would appreciate any assistance.

Thanks,

Anne Watt
Attica, MI
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Also visit our home page at http://www.genealogia.fi/.

Denise
02-01-08, 06:55
Hi Ayla,
I googled Wilbur Pajari and came up with this...

COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS

TOWN OF TEMPLETON

WARRANT FOR SPECIAL TOWN MEETING

OCTOBER 4, 2005



WORCESTER, ss.



To either of the Constable of the Town of Templeton is said County:



GREETINGS:



In the name of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, you are hereby directed to notify and warn the Inhabitants of the precincts of the Town of Templeton, County of Worcester, qualified to vote in elections and town affairs to meet at the Narragansett Regional Middle School, 460 Baldwinville Road in said Templeton on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 at 7:00 p.m. then and there to act on the following articles:



Article 1. To see if the Town will vote to authorize the Board of Selectmen to acquire, by gift and on such terms and conditions as the Selectmen deem appropriate, and to accept a devise of the fee interest in the land and buildings located at 11 Oak Street, formerly owned by Wilbur H. Pajari, being all the premises more particularly described in deeds recorded at the Worcester District Registry of Deeds in Book 3128, page 448 and Book 3835, Page 552, excepting therefrom the portion conveyed by Wilbur H. Pajari to Richard A. White and Constance E. White which portion is described in a deed recorded with said Registry of Deeds in Book 7318, Page 260, and shown on a plan recorded with said deeds in Plan Book 489, Plan 121, for general municipal purposes and for the purpose of conveyance, and further to authorize the Board of Selectmen to convey all or a portion of said premises on such terms and conditions and for such consideration as the Selectmen deem appropriate, or to take any other action relative thereto.

Ayla
02-01-08, 13:56
Denise this is wonderful, I am hot on their trail now. There is no way I would have achieved this from London without your help. Thank you so very much. You are an absolute diamond.
I tend to do google searches too, if I can't get anywhere else but it has been so very difficult as they are all girls with name changes.

Also, with all the excitement comes the sadness. Had I started this search 10 years ago, then I would have found Elli. She only died in 2000, I just missed her hubby too, he only died 2 years ago. :( I have some photos of her taken in the early and late twenties. She was so beautiful. I know have to give my mum a call to tell her how far I have got and that she has gone. But, lets focus on the positive, and see if I can find any children, grandchildren for her.

Elli was my mum's first cousin ( Elli's mum and my mum's mum were sisters).
So any living relatives of hers are our second cousins...and third, I think!

I have lots of info to go through now, thanks ever so again. Looks like the housework, taking care of the children and cooking will have to wait again today :D

Aylaxxx

Ayla
02-01-08, 14:24
Denise, I have read and reread that town meeting info in your last post and I just dont understand it! I know Wilbur died in 2005 so what are they saying here? Selling off his property? I got a sinking feeling now that there were no children :((( Maybe he was the last one of the family? I really hope not.
Ayla

Denise
02-01-08, 14:45
Ayla,
From what I found, it appears that Elli Pajani died in Helsibki, Finland and not in Massachusetts, if I'm understanding that Social Security Death Record. So, maybe children in Helsinki? Maybe Wilbur Pajani is not the correct husband ?(he was a guess going by census records in Massachusetts and year of birth near hers) I don't know where you would get recent death records in Finland, I've never had to order one before. The parish?

Denise :)

Ayla
02-01-08, 15:03
I see, yes, she went back home! So my search switches now from the US back to Finland! I have to feed the children now and then with a clear head, come back and continue the search. :))

Also the message on Finngen was a dead end....for now, i emailed the address but it bounced back which is a shame. But I have left messages in the Georgia, Kentucky, Massachusetts forums :)) so I am putting myself out there!

Thank you ever so again Denise.

Denise
02-01-08, 16:25
Ayla,
Put a post on Finngen that you are looking for that submitter of that query. Maybe someone knows how to contact him or has a new email address for him...

Denise

Ayla
02-01-08, 18:24
That's a good idea about posting about the writer of that message. Never thought of that! This newbie is picking up all these hot tips every day!
Love it! Many thanks.