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Goddess
09-02-08, 04:24
I'm trying to track down my grand fathers relatives and also his life story. Any one could help me?

He was born 1891 and died on 1957. His name was Michael Oskar Tallgrén and he was married with Edith Forssell. Three of his siblings moved to USA, Ny.

June Pelo
09-02-08, 17:22
Asta,

Can you give more information about Michel and Edith - where were they born and when and where did they marry? Did they come to the US? Do you know the names of Michel's siblings who came to NY? I have Forsell names in my database, but none named Edith.

June

Goddess
10-02-08, 12:47
Mikael Oskar Tallgrén was born 1891 in Jalasjärvi, Finland. Edit Forssell was born 12 Aug 1912 in Laukaa, Finland.

They moved to Jyväskyl on 26 Oct 1943. They had 5 children who all are alive today. One of the children is my mother.

Here is some information on the Forssell family:

This family lived in Nurmijärvi, Mannila, Pellonpään torppa

Kalle Kustaa Forssell, born 10 Oct 1870 in Laukaa. Died 15 Jul 1936
Married 17 Feb 1894 with Hilma Siekkinen, born 12 Dec 1872 in Laukaa. Died 10 Sep 1936

They had children as follows:
1. Jaakko Aadolf born 15 Jul 1894 Laukaa, died 8 Dec 1901.
2. Martta, born 29 Nov 1895 Laukaa, died 20 Dec 1901.
3.Amanda, born 6 Jan 1897 Laukaa, moved 26 Mar 1915 to Vesilahti. She was single and didn't have any children Confirmation 22 Jun 1913 in Vesilahti.
4.Maria, born 16 Sep 1898 Laukaa, married 24 Feb 1918 with Aleksis Siekkinen born 27 Mar 1891 Laukaa, died 14 Sep 1978. Maria died 25 Feb 1979. There are children from this marriage
5. Lyydia, born 28 Jan 1900 Laukaa, died 30 Jan 1901.
6. Antti, born 13 Feb 1902 Laukaa, moved 19 Sep 1925 to Akaa, was single and did have no children.
7. Aatu, born 19 Mar 1904 Laukaa, died 7 Apr 1931.
8. Iida, born 8 Apr 1906 Laukaa, moved 2 Feb 1929 to Akaa, was single.
9. Aleksis, bonr 17 Jun 1907 Laukaa, died 15 Dec 1931.
10. Otto, born 6 May 1910 Laukaa, died 9 Dec 1936. Married 23 Now 1935 with Lyyli Viik, born 14 Dec 1907 in Laukaa. They had a son Pertti Johannes born 11 May 1936 Laukaa.
11. Edit, born 12 Aug 1912 Laukaa. She had a daughter Elsi Heleena Editntytär, born 20 Feb 1942 Laukaa. (This is my mother) They moved 26 Oct 1943 to Jyväskylä.
12. Paavo, born 13 May 1915 Laukaa, died 15 Nov. 1936.

It seems that none of this family moved to US, but I might be able to help you if you are looking for your relatives in Finland. I know that someone has made a genealogy research on the Forssell family and I have the papers somewhere. As soon as I find the papers I could scan and e-mail them to you. Oh... And ofcourse I have to translate them for you?

What names you have in your database? I could also ask my mother if they are familiar to her.

Denise
10-02-08, 16:33
Hello,
On the Institute of Migration I found the following information. If any of the names are of interest to you let me know and I can post the actual record for you to see.

Best Regards,
Denise


Search results (Sheriff's records)
Last name First names Home parish Born in Date Destination
Tallgren Aili Alfrida Vaasa 1912-Dec-09 1937 Abroad
Tallgren Anne-Marie Vaasa 1900-June-04 1924 Norway
Tallgren Ellen Ailia Teuva 1898-Aug-10 1929 Canada
Tallgren Gunnar Vaasa 1898-Oct-17 1923 Germany
Tallgren Helli Kyllikki Teuva 1929-Jan-06 1929 Canada
Tallgren Kaarle Oskari Not given 1873-Jan-18 - Abroad
Tallgren Kaarle Oskari Teuva 1873-Jan-18 1925-Aug-02 America
Tallgren Uuno Teuva 1895-June-18 1925 America

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Search results (Passport records)
Last name First names Passport date Date of birth Home parish Destination
Tallgren * 27.08.1895 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren A. 17.07.1891 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren Aarne Michael 13.09.1905 . .9999 Maaria *
Tallgren Alexandra 19.08.1897 . .9999 Inkoo Ruotsi
Tallgren Alexandra 15.01.1904 . .9999 Turku *
Tallgren Alexandra 30.08.1889 . .9999 Turku Ruotsi
Tallgren Alexandra 11.06.1898 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren Alexius .03.1903 . .1879 Keuruu Amerikka
Tallgren Alfred Karlsson 21.04.1902 . .1883 Teuva Amerikka
Tallgren Ivar Markus 15.09.1905 . .9999 Maaria *
Tallgren Jenny 22.04.1896 . .9999 Maaria Ruotsi
Tallgren Juho Pekka 05.04.1905 29.05.1879 Kemi Amerikka
Tallgren Kaarle Oskari 09.05.1904 . .1873 Teuva Amerikka
Tallgren Kaarle Vilho 05.03.1902 . .1878 Pyhäjärvi Amerikka
Tallgren Kaarlo 09.08.1901 . .9999 Maaria Ulkomaat
Tallgren Kalle Konstantin . .1901 . .1881 Kemi Amerikka
Tallgren Karl Oskar Karlsson 12.09.1891 . .9999 Teuva Amerikka
Tallgren Konrad 15.07.1905 . .9999 Helsinki *
Tallgren Konrad 02.07.1903 . .9999 Pietari, Venäjä *
Tallgren Konstantin 28.07.1899 . .9999 Turku Venäjä
Tallgren Konstantin Nathanael 30.04.1901 . .1853 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren Linus Wilhelm 17.07.1891 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren Lisa 27.08.1895 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
Tallgren Maria Sofia 07.06.1890 . .9999 Kristiinankaup. Amerikka
Tallgren Maria Wilhelmina 05.08.1903 . .1861 Pori USA
Tallgren Oiva Johannes 02.07.1903 . .9999 Turku *
Tallgren Oiva Johannes 20.09.1901 . .9999 Turku Ulkomaat
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Search results (Passenger records)
Last name First names Place of destination State Country Date
Tallgren Abraham McKeesport PA USA 25.08.1906
Tallgren Aksel Calumet MI USA 22.04.1903
Tallgren Aksel New York NY USA 17.02.1912
Tallgren Albert Calumet MI USA 22.04.1903
Tallgren Alfred Nanty Glo PA USA 13.01.1909
Tallgren Alma Biwabik MN USA 12.02.1913
Tallgren Antje Washington DC USA 99.99.9999
Tallgren Antje Chicago IL USA 99.99.9999
Tallgren Antje Rochester NY USA 99.99.9999
Tallgren Arthur A. Quebec PQ CDN 11.06.1921
Tallgren Edla New York NY USA 30.01.1907
Tallgren Hilja McKeesport PA USA 25.08.1906
Tallgren Karl Boston (MA?) USA 22.03.1902
Tallgren Karl O. New York NY USA 11.05.1904
Tallgren Leila New York NY USA 99.99.9999
Tallgren Matti New York NY USA 06.04.1910
Tallgren Oskar New York NY USA 13.08.1925
Tallgren Samuel Ironwood MI USA 20.04.1907
Tallgren Toivo R. New York NY USA 30.09.1922
Tallgren Uno Fitchburg MA USA 13.08.1925
Tallgren Viljo Ironwood MI USA 16.07.1913
Tallgren/Pine Arthur New York NY USA 10.04.193
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Search results (Finnish Americans)

Last name First names County/City State Country
Tallgren Isak Jacksonville Ohio USA
Tallgren Oskar Jacksonville Ohio USA

June Pelo
10-02-08, 16:49
Asta,

Thanks for posting the information. I don't have any data on these people in my database and don't think they are linked to the Forsell names I have. Most of them came from Nedervetil and used the Forsell name, which was not the original family name. It looks like Denise has found some information for you about your Tallgrén search.

June

Denise
10-02-08, 16:55
Hi,
On Ancestry.com there are quite a few Tallgren names and if any of these interest you I'll post the record. It's difficult to search for you without knowing exactly what you're looking for. There are also listings for 1910 Census, 1930 Census, passenger records, California deaths, and more. I guess you need to be more specific.

Denise :)


Data Source: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

Name Birth Date Race Birthplace Registration Place
(City, County, State)

Karl Tallgren 12 Apr 1895 Helsinfors Not Stated, Baltimore, MD
Ralph Raymond Tallgren 1 Apr 1900 White Brooklyn, Kings, NY
Walter Tallgren 12 Apr 1895 White New York;United States of America Brooklyn, Kings, NY
Erack John Tallgren 12 Nov 1881 White Portland, Multnomah, OR
Herbert W Tallgren 15 Jul 1889 Caucasian (White) Illinois;United States of America Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
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Exact Search Results - U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Name Birth Date Birthplace Residence Race
Walter Tallgren 12 Apr 1895 Brooklyn, New York Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Eric John Tallgren 12 Nov 1881 Soderian, Sweden Yuba, California White
Uno Tallgren 18 Jun 1895 Finland Wor, Massachusetts White
Uno Tallgren 18 Jun 1895 Finland Wor, Massachusetts White


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
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Data Source: Social Security Death Index

Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence
(City,County,State)

Effie H. Tallgren 24 Sep 1902 Sep 1991 Walworth, Walworth, Wisconsin
Elli I. Tallgren 10 Jan 1908 7 Nov 1996 Lake Worth, Palm Beach, Florida
Elva L. Tallgren 13 May 1903 27 Oct 1988 Holly Hill, Volusia, Florida
Gunnar Tallgren 17 Oct 1898 Oct 1977 Madison, Dane, Wisconsin
John H. Tallgren 27 Jun 1929 16 May 1994
Margaret Tallgren 29 Aug 1902 24 Jan 1991 Pittston, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Ralph Tallgren 1 Apr 1900 Feb 1976 Daytona Beach, Volusia, Florida
Uno Tallgren 18 Jun 1895 Dec 1970 Fitchburg, Worcester, Massachusetts
Walter Tallgren 12 Apr 1895 Sep 1965 Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania


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Data Source: 1900 United States Federal Census

Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1900
(City,County,State) Birth Year Birthplace Race Relation


Jonnie Tallgren Holmes City, Douglas, Minnesota abt 1830 Sweden White Head


Eric I Tallgren Holmes City, Douglas, Minnesota abt 1866 Sweden White Son


Walter Tallgren Augusta Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York abt 1867 Finland White Head


Augusta Tallgren Walter Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York abt 1864 Finland White Wife


Richard Tallgren Walter,
Augusta Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York abt 1894 New York White Son


Walter Tallgren Walter,
Augusta Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York abt 1895 White Son


Ralph Tallgren Walter,
Augusta Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York abt 1900 New York White Son


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census
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Denise
10-02-08, 17:05
There are also some family trees started on Ancestry. I will private message you the email addresses of the people that have trees on there and give you their email addresses. Maybe one of them will be able to provide further information for you.

Denise

Goddess
11-02-08, 00:01
These the persons I'm interested in:

Tallgren Edla New York NY USA 30.01.1907
Tallgren Matti New York NY USA 06.04.1910
Tallgren Oskar New York NY USA 13.08.1925
Tallgren Samuel Ironwood MI USA 20.04.1907

Edla, Matt,i Oskar and Samuel were siblings. And I guess that Oskar went to US to meet his siblings.

Oskar was my grandfather and his real name was Mikael Oskar Tallgrén but he used Oskar.

Because Oskar died in 1957 in Finland, my mother (and me) have lost every contact to this side of our family.

There is one interesting thing that I would like to know. Oskar moved to Nurmijärvi, Finland in 1930's and after that he vanished. Just to be found in 1943 when he married my grandmother Edit Forssell.

Could it be so that Oskar was in US?

And of course I'm interested in to find my mothers cousins and their children in US. One person I know by name: Elsie M Hicks who died in New York in 2000.

Does this help you in your searches?

Ps. This Tallgrén family comes from western Finland (Pohjanmaa) around Jalasjärvi, Peräseinäjoki, Kurikka, Kauhajoki, Ilmajoki, Vaasa. Just to name a few places.

There is also an other Tallgren -family in Finland but they are from Southern Finland. (Vihti, Nurmijärvi, Tuusula, Helsinki)

Denise
11-02-08, 01:24
Hello,
This is what I found so far on your Tallgren's and on Elsie Hicks. By the way, what was Elsie's maiden name?

Best Regards,
Denise

Social Security Death Index
Name: Elsie M. Hicks
SSN: 104-34-1853
Last Residence: 11714 Bethpage, Nassau, New York, United States of America
Born: 15 Jan 1911
Died: 1 Oct 2000
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1960-1961 )



Source Citation: Number: 104-34-1853;Issue State: New York;Issue Date: 1960-1961.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Social Security Death Index

Denise
11-02-08, 01:36
Detailed passenger information
Last name Tallgren
First names Edla
Age or age group 24
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 206
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 30.01.1907
Ship from England Majestic
Date of departure from England 06.02.1907
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 52/31
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Tallgren
First names Matti
Age or age group 26
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 218
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 06.04.1910
Ship from England Columbia
Date of departure from England 16.04.1910
Ocean Line Anchor Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 77/19
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Tallgren
First names Oskar
Age or age group 52
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 4850
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 13.08.1925
Ship from England Mauretania
Date of departure from England 22.08.1925
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England Southampton
List and page 124/52
Remarks Helsinki!
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Tallgren
First names Samuel
Age or age group 1M
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Ironwood
State of destination MI
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 360
Ship from Finland Astraea
Date of departure from Finland 20.04.1907
Ship from England New York
Date of departure from England 27.04.1907
Ocean Line American Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 60/53
Remarks Ikä n. 30, epäselvä!
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Denise
11-02-08, 01:54
Detailed information (Finnish Americans)
Last name Tallgren
First names Oskar
County Jacksonville
State Ohio
Country USA
Year of Source info 1926
Additional information Residence in Finland: Teuva
Source Ilmonen, S.: The History of Finnish Americans 1926, page 89
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Detailed Sheriff's records information
Last name Tallgren
First names Kaarle Oskari
Occupation Entinen talollinen
Home parish / residence Teuva
Born in 1873-Jan-18
Date of passport/migration 1925-Aug-02
Place of destination America
Additional information Passport Nr 1021. Height: 184 cm. Hair: Brown hair. Eyes: Blue eyes. Religion: Lutheran
Source Passport archive of Vaasa province. Box 190. Document: Passport

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This one is on the passenger record with Oskar, but Oskar's name turned out to be Kaarlo Oskar, so I don't think he is your Mikael Oskar Tallgren. :(

Detailed Sheriff's records information
Last name Tallgren
First names Uuno
Occupation Itsellinen
Home parish / residence Teuva
Born in 1895-June-18
Date of passport/migration 1925
Place of destination America
Additional information Passport Nr 1022.
Source Passport archive of Vaasa province. Box 163. Document: Photo only
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Detailed information (Finnish Americans)
Last name Tallgren
First names Isak
County Jacksonville
State Ohio
Country USA
Year of Source info 1926
Additional information Residence in Finland: Teuva
Source Ilmonen, S.: The History of Finnish Americans 1926, page 89
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Search results (Sheriff's records)

Last name First names Home parish Born in Date Destination
Tallgren Aili Alfrida Vaasa 1912-Dec-09 1937 Abroad
Tallgren Anne-Marie Vaasa 1900-June-04 1924 Norway
Tallgren Ellen Ailia Teuva 1898-Aug-10 1929 Canada
Tallgren Gunnar Vaasa 1898-Oct-17 1923 Germany
Tallgren Helli Kyllikki Teuva 1929-Jan-06 1929 Canada
Tallgren Kaarle Oskari Not given 1873-Jan-18 - Abroad
Tallgren Kaarle Oskari Teuva 1873-Jan-18 1925-Aug-02 America :confused:
Tallgren Uuno Teuva 1895-June-18 1925 America

Denise
11-02-08, 02:01
And here is what I found on Samuel Tallgren.

Denise

Goddess
11-02-08, 23:40
Thank you so much, Denise. The information you sent me helped me alot. Now I know that The Oskar Tallgrén who traveled to US in 1925 was not my grandfather and propably not in my familytree after all.

I suppose Elsie's maiden name was Tallgrén and that she was either Matti's or Edla's daughter. All the infromation I have of her is three letters she wrote to my aunt on years 79 to 82. She did not talk much about her family. So far I know that she was married with (William) Spencer Hicks who died in 1975.

Matti had also some children that Elsie mentiones as her only cousins in USA. This could mean that Elsie was, in fact, Edlas daughter. Or then Samuel had a family in US.

It would help we knew more about Edla's marriage. Or was she married in US at all? And who Matti married? It is weird that in census Matti mentiones Elsie as the person who always knows his address. Or did he marry a woman named Elsie?

(I'm starting to think in circles:eek: )

Denise
12-02-08, 03:56
Hi,
Just found Matti Tallgren's WW1 Draft Card. I'm still looking for more; hang in there! :D

Denise

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Matti Tollgra
City: Philadelphia
County: Philadelphia
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1884
Race: White
Roll: 1907763
DraftBoard: 39
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: View Image



Source Citation: Registration Location: Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania; Roll: 1907763; Draft Board: 39.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

Denise
12-02-08, 04:13
Hi,
This appears to be Matti Tallgren in this 1910 Census; he's a carpenter, but year of birth is off a bit. Names are slaughtered badly on Ancestry! :(

Denise

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Matthew Talkeson
[Matthew Talkrein]
Age in 1910: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head of House: Brother-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1910
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alex Laid 23
Mary Laid 21
Matthew Talkeson 22




Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York; Roll: T624_1021; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 1732; Image: 213.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census

Denise
12-02-08, 04:40
Hi,
Here is a census from 1900 of a Walter Tallgren and family. It consists of 2 pages, starting at bottom of the first page and on to the second.

Denise

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Walter Tallgren
Home in 1900: Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Finland
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Augusta
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1891
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Tallgren 33
Augusta Tallgren 36
Richard Tallgren 6
Walter Tallgren 5
Ralph Tallgren ??.12
Andrew Latte 23





Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York; Roll: T623 1061; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 404.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census

Denise
12-02-08, 04:47
Hi,
This looks like it would be the son, Walter, in the previous 1900 Census.

Denise

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Walter Tallgren
Home in 1930: Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Tallgren 34
Margaret Tallgren 27
Elsie Jones 25




Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania; Roll: 2069; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 188; Image: 1006.0.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census

Denise
12-02-08, 04:56
Hi,
Here is the son of Walter Sr. that was in the 1900 Census.

Denise

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Ralph R Tallgren
Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Elba
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ralph R Tallgren 30
Elba Tallgren 26
Muriel Tallgren 6




Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Queens, Queens, New York; Roll: 1609; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 551; Image: 279.0.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census

Denise
12-02-08, 05:06
Name Birth Date Certificate Number Source
Raiph R. Tallgren 01 Apr 1900 6233 Births Reported in 1900. Borough of Brooklyn.

And Ralph Tallgren's death record...

Florida Death Index, 1877-1998
Name: Ralph R Tallgren
Death Date: 20 Feb 1976
County of Death: Volusia
State of Death: Florida
Age at Death: 75
Race: White
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1900



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Florida Death Index, 1877-1998

Denise
12-02-08, 05:11
Social Security Death Index
Name: Walter Tallgren
SSN: 162-05-9661
Last Residence: 18651 Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Born: 12 Apr 1895
Died: Sep 1965
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951 )



Source Citation: Number: 162-05-9661;Issue State: Pennsylvania;Issue Date: Before 1951.


Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Social Security Death Index