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kivinen1
20-04-08, 02:52
:) Hello,
I'm trying to see if anyone has information on persons that would be my great great grandparents. The following information is the only information that I have, and it could be wrong, but is the best I have.

My paternal great grandmother:

Amalia Iisakintytär (Isaksdotter) née KUOPPASALMI, born 8 Dec 1859 in Ikaalinen

My paternal great grandfather:

Antti Ananiaanpoika KIVISTÖ, born 7 Jun 1857 or perhaps 18 May 1856 in Parkano

These two people (8 & 9 below) are the same two people above. It is from my ahnentafel.

8. Antti Ananiaanpoika (Andrew Arvi) KIVISTÖ - KIVINEN - ALINGER (odd name change occurred in the U.S.A. for inheritance purposes when one of his sons pre-deceased him): records vary, born on 18 May 1856 or possibly 7 Jun 1857 in Parkano, Finland; married; died on 20 Mar 1936 in Taft, Oregon

9. Amalia Iisakintytär KUOPPASALMI or SALMI: born 8 Dec 1859 in Ikaalinen, Finland; died on 12 Jul 1940 in Drift Creek, Oregon

They were married in Parkano we believe.


Amalia's parents are supposedly Iisak Juhanpoika KUOPPASALMI or SALMI: born on 01 Jan 1825 in Parkano or Ikaalinen
and
Ester NN, or perhaps Hedvig KASPERINTYTÄR: born 04 Aug 1829 in Parkano or Ikaalinen


Antti's parents are supposedly: Ananias JOHANSSON: born on 14 Sep 1832 in Parkano, Finland; married; died in Finland (?)
and
Anna-Lina MATTSDOTTER: born on 25 May 1825 in Ikaalinen, Finland; died in Finland (?)

Anyone have a direction for me to go?

budjohnson
20-04-08, 14:38
Hi
You can find under Ikaalinen in the HisKi database Amalia born to Isak Kuoppasalmi and Ester born 8.12.1859 in Wahojärvi village. HisKi event number 27206. Also find HisKi event number 6262, the marriage of Anders Ananiasson Kivistö and Amalia Isaksdotter Kuoppasalmi on 29.10.1879 under Ikaalinen.
Bud

Denise
20-04-08, 16:38
Hello!
Try this new site for your Parkano emigrants. There is an Antti Kivistö that matches your paternal great grandfather. http://parkanoemigrants.googlepages.com/k

Here is the link to the main page http://parkanoemigrants.googlepages.com/

There is also an email address for you to contact the webmaster, Merja Syrjämäki. Maybe she can help you with further information on your ancestors from Parkano. She would be happy to also receive what you have on descendents! :D

Just realized Salmi is also on the site for Parkano!
Best Regards,
Denise

budjohnson
20-04-08, 16:46
I found a birth of Isaac to Johan Danielsson Salmenmma and Regina Jöransdotter on 1.01.1825 HisKi event number 774 in Parkano. Also a marriage of Johan Danielsson Salmenmma and Regina Göransdotter on 5.12.1824 HisKi event number 160 Parkano.

kivinen1
21-04-08, 00:16
Hi
You can find under Ikaalinen in the HisKi database Amalia born to Isak Kuoppasalmi and Ester born 8.12.1859 in Wahojärvi village. HisKi event number 27206. Also find HisKi event number 6262, the marriage of Anders Ananiasson Kivistö and Amalia Isaksdotter Kuoppasalmi on 29.10.1879 under Ikaalinen.
Bud

Bud and the others - Thank you for the information.

Now I will try to read up on how to use the HisKi database.

Happy trails - Ilmari:)

Merja
21-04-08, 13:08
Hi,
I´m trying to attach an image of the last publicly available church book page for this family. Hope it succeeds, I´m not very good at this!
The family were living as tenant farmers in Parkano, Alaskylä village. Their farm was rented from Alanen farmer, my great-great grandfather Emmanuel Henrikinpoika Alanen. For some reason I cannot find the location of Kivistö farm on the map but you can see Alanen farm here http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/linkki?scale=16000&text=Alanen&y=6873217&x=2448132&lang=en-GB . Kivistö farm must have been close by because the farms were not that large.

Anyway, the family had five children, Julius Anselm who emigrated 1895, Iivar, David and Johannes emigrated with their mother 1902 but what happened to Villehard I do not know.

I checked the birth record of Antti and his correct birthdate is 4th June 1857. See http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/parkano/syntyneet_1850-1873_jk637b/39.htm

Amalia´s birth record is here: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/syntyneet_1859-1876_jk778/23.htm . Amalia´s parents were Iisak Emmanuel Matinpoika Täysiä, later Kuoppasalmi b.9.4.1829 Ikaalinen and Ester Juhantytär Koipela b.26.1.1827 Ikaalinen. They married 8.7.1855 in Ikaalinen

One of Amalia´s brothers also emigrated, he is Nikodemus Iisakinpoika b.3.6.1864. He emigrated 1902 and is listed on my site using the name Nikodemus Ylirönni aka Rönn.

Parents of Iisak Emmanuel Kuoppasalmi were farmer Matti Erkinpoika Täysiä, Kuoppasalmi b.4.3.1799 Kuru d.17.11.1869 Ikaalinen and Justiina Simontytär Kaartinaho b.5.4.1802 Kuru.

Parents of Justiina were Simon Simonsson Kaartinaho b.29.2.1764 Ikaalinen and Valpuri Yrjöntytär b.30.4.1765 Karvia

Parents of Matti Erkinpoika Täysiä were Erkki Joosepinpoika Täysiä b.2.2.1778 d.6.9.1809 Ikaalinen and Valpuri Yrjöntytär b.8.4.1773

Parents of Erkki Joosepinpoika Täysiä were Joosef Matinpoika Täysiä b.29.8.1735 d.4.12.1803 Ikaalinen and Briitta Juhantytär b.11.5.1737 d.3.11.1807 Ikaalnen

Parents of Esteri Juhantytär Koipela were farmer Juha Juhanpoika Koipela b.17.1.1779 Ikaalinen and Kreetta Simontytär b.26.12.1785 Ikaalinen.

Parents of Juha Juhanpoika Koipela were farmer Juha Matinpoika Koipela b.23.4.1752 Ikaalinen and Liisa Laurintytär b.24.10.1752 Ikaalinen d.27.11.1808 Ikaalinen

Parents of Juha Matinpoika Koipela were Matti Tuomaanpoika Koipela b.10.9.1708 d.8.7.1775 Ikaalinen and Briitta Yrjöntytär

Then to ancestors of Antti Kivistö. His parents were tenant farmer Ananias Juhanpoika Kivistö b.14.9.1832 and Anna Leena Matintytär Penijoki b.25.5.1825 Ikaalinen.

Parents of Ananias Juhanpoika were Juha Tuomaanpoika Kivistö, a blacksmith, b.17.12.1810 Karvia and Anna Kreetta Mikontytär b.20.5.1806 d.15.2.1862 Parkano

Parents of Anna Leena Matintytär Penijoki were tenant farmer Matti Yrjönpoika Penijoki b.1793 and Regina Heikintytär b.20.11.1796. They married 20.10.1816. I do not know their parents yet

Most of the birth dates are from communion books and not checked against the original birth records. You can do this yourself for most records at www.sukuhistoria.fi . All publicly available records for Parkano and Ikaalinen are online but after the newest (about 1880 and later) are only available for members.
Please, let me know if you need any help in your research. I would very much like to know more about what happened to the family in the US. I have a website for Parkano emigrants as Denise told you (she was too shy to mention she has collected much of the data for me) but I will most definitely not publish any data that is not available online elsewhere (like ancestry.com)

Best regards

Merja Syrjämäki

Merja
21-04-08, 13:15
Well, here we go again. Lets hope with better luck!

The location of Kuoppasalmi farm : http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/linkki?scale=16000&text=Kuoppasalmi&y=6872460&x=2456050&lang=en-GB

kivinen1
21-04-08, 19:21
Hello!
Try this new site for your Parkano emigrants. There is an Antti Kivistö that matches your paternal great grandfather. http://parkanoemigrants.googlepages.com/k

Here is the link to the main page http://parkanoemigrants.googlepages.com/

There is also an email address for you to contact the webmaster, Merja Syrjämäki. Maybe she can help you with further information on your ancestors from Parkano. She would be happy to also receive what you have on descendents! :D

Just realized Salmi is also on the site for Parkano!
Best Regards,
Denise

Denise - Thanks a million.

kivinen1
21-04-08, 19:26
Well, here we go again. Lets hope with better luck!

The location of Kuoppasalmi farm : http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/linkki?scale=16000&text=Kuoppasalmi&y=6872460&x=2456050&lang=en-GB

Merja,

Thank you very much for such a great amount of detail in this and your above posting.

This should take me on a fun ride.

I will give you anything I have as far as dates and names that I've got on this end (which isn't much).

The Alanen name was also a name that I was searching, because I was once told that we could also be the family of Alanen or Alanentalo. I think that perhaps Amalia was the one that may have been the daughter of an Alanen, there is a story of her coming from a higher class, but having to marry down due to a blind eye :( ................ we'll see. Take care - Ilmari:)

kivinen1
22-04-08, 10:55
Hi,
...The family were living as tenant farmers in Parkano, Alaskylä village. Their farm was rented from Alanen farmer, my great-great grandfather Emmanuel Henrikinpoika Alanen. For some reason I cannot find the location of Kivistö farm on the map but you can see Alanen farm here http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/linkki?scale=16000&text=Alanen&y=6873217&x=2448132&lang=en-GB . Kivistö farm must have been close by because the farms were not that large. ...
Best regards

Merja Syrjämäki

Merja, Another name that my great-grandfather (Antti) used in the USA was Alinger, the story goes that a mining boss gave one of his sons or brother's son (another Antti?) a "real good American name"... I also know that the elder took the name to assist in inheritance rights when the younger one pre-deaceased the elder (Antti).

Anyway, the name Alinger (eventually his legal name in Taft, Oregon) was always assumed to be purely as the story above suggests... however, I have also heard stories from old Finns that are dead since the late 1960's that he (elder Antti) used the last name of Alanko (Alinger - Alanko) sound like a possibility.

I see by your map that there is an Alanko farm on the next "niemi" peninsula to the north of Alanen.

Just a thought, but too much in my mind to dismiss as coincidence.

Let me know your thoughts - if I haven't completely confused you.

Thank you - Ilmari:)