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kivinen1
28-04-08, 20:57
Hello,

I'm trying to see if anyone has information on persons that would be my mother's father's parents, grandparents and great grandparents and their ancestors. The following information is the only information that I have. It is possible that there are mistakes. The family comes from the border area between Sweden and Finland, so other possible connections could be Pello, etc.

If anyone reading this has information as to siblings of #1 below that came to or were born in the USA, I'd also be interested.

Surnames in Finland are in the title above.

1. Hilda JOHNSON: born on 17 May 1873 in Calumet, Michigan; died on 25 Jun 1960 in Hockinson, Washington; she was married on 28 May 1890, Apostolic Lutheran Church, Hockinson, Washington to Elias Hermansson Ilmarinen- (HILL): born on 15 Feb 1864 in Jurva, Finland, he died on 6 Jan 1942 in Hockinson, Washington

Hilda's parents are:

2. August Johnsson GRANAT - KRANAATTI - JOHNSON: born on 10 Jan 1844 in Turtola, Finland; married; died 27 Jul 1935 in Hockinson, Washington

3. Maria Sussana KIVELÄ: born on 10 Feb 1842 in Sodankylä, Finland; died 20 Apr 1912 in Hockinson, Washington

Maria's father is:
6. Henrik KIVELÄ: born about 1819 in Kemijärvi, Finland

Thank you again - Ilmari:)

June Pelo
29-04-08, 02:48
I checked Hiski but didn't find him born in 1844 in Turtola. No one by that name appeared on any date.

I did see Maria Susanna's father Henrik Sigfridsson, b. 7 Feb 1819, Kemijärvi, to parents: Sigfrid Kivelä and Anna.

kivinen1
29-04-08, 02:56
I checked Hiski but didn't find him born in 1844 in Turtola. No one by that name appeared on any date.

I did see Maria Susanna's father Henrik Sigfridsson, b. 7 Feb 1819, Kemijärvi, to parents: Sigfrid Kivelä and Anna.

Thanks June - I know that a woman in the U.P. (Michigan) was able to supply me with this information from some data in Michigan records. I'm just hoping that there might be someone in the "old" villages that has the capacity to look into the books (provided that they still exist). I have a strong suspicion that there might be a Lars Levi Laestadius connection... this family was VERY strong in the Apostolic faith, and started several churches, in Finland, Michigan and in Brush Prairie, Washington, and Laestadius was very close by to these villages.

We shall see - Ilmari :)

Denise
29-04-08, 06:59
Hi Ilmari,
Here is Henrik Kiveläs birth. :) I know this isn't really what you were searching for, but it's nice to have a copy of records. His record is on the right side of the page. I looked for Maria Susanna's but the handwriting was hard to read in Sodankylä and I am unsure if it was her. I'll keep looking.

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
29-04-08, 07:09
Hi Ilmari,
Here is the Rippikirja for the Kivelä family 1816-1822 in Kemijärvi.

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
29-04-08, 21:06
Hi Ilmari,
I looked at the Rippikirja for Turtola and did not find August Johansson Granat born in 1844 anywhere. I have attached what I did find below. Are you sure on his birthdate and birthplace? http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/index.htm

Best Regards,
Denise

It appears I have to post the next two separately.

Denise
29-04-08, 21:10
Hi Ilmari,
Here is the next one. Denise

Denise
29-04-08, 21:20
And one more.

Denise

kivinen1
29-04-08, 21:53
And one more.

Denise

Hi Denise, not sure what that last one was, I is in a zip file, says it is a jpeg, but it won't open.

Thanks for the searching. The woman in the UP that gave me info before (name is gone - sorry) was giving me the info off of records in Michigan... I'm not sure, maybe it was on a census? Maybe on Hilda's birth certificate? I don't know.

I did notice that the riipikirja was noted as PELLO, was there only one parish at the time? Was there no parish in Turtola?

Thanks for all your work - :) Ilmari

Denise
29-04-08, 22:08
Hi Ilmari,
I could not get that last file to post no matter what I did...another page for Granat. Do you know how to use that site I sent a link for? http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/index.htm I'm in the process of learning myself, but here is what is on the site for the parish of Turtola. On the main page click on ARKISTOT and it will bring you to a page where you can click on the top left side (Paikkakunnittain) for separate parishes or on the top right (Maakunnittain) the whole province, just like on the map on Hiski's site. I basically just checked for the year 1844 for August Johnson Granat.

Denise




Turtola lisätietoja
Kirkolliset arkistot Vuodet Lähde Arkistotunnus

Rippikirja 1820-1826 IK 361 I Aa:1
Rippikirja 1827-1833 IK 361 I Aa:2
Rippikirja 1834-1840 IK 361 I Aa:3
Rippikirja 1841-1847 IK 361 I Aa:4
Rippikirja 1848-1855 IK 361-362 I Aa:5
Rippikirja 1856-1865 IK 362 I Aa:6
Rippikirja 1866-1876 Mko 1-5
Rippikirja 1877-1881 Mko 6-10

Muuttaneiden luettelot

Muuttaneet 1880-1880 Mko 1
Muuttaneet (sisään) 1881-1883 Mko 2
Muuttaneet (ulos) 1881-1883 Mko 7

Denise
29-04-08, 22:41
Hi Ilmari,
I had no problem opening that compressed zip file that I sent you :confused:

Denise

June Pelo
21-05-08, 02:52
What is this about? It has nothing to do with genealogy. I've had 3 other messages today from this person..

sune
21-05-08, 12:51
I have sent an e-mail to Hasse about this spammer which will no doubt be blocked. Hasse is on a week's journey, and I don't know if he can access the Forum properly, but I know he checks out his e-mail.

Sune

Hasse
21-05-08, 23:39
...and the messages removed. Sorry for not reacting at once, but as Sune wrote - I'm not on-line 24/7 just now.

Here is one of the goals of my trip. Isle of Skye (http://www.skye.co.uk/) in Scotland. I can recommend this truly beautuful island. I have tested haggis and local whisky from 1961, both I didn't think I would like.

One thing where Scotland is behind Finland is the mobile network. The handy seldom worked up in the mountains.

Hasse

June Pelo
22-05-08, 01:24
Hasse, I took the fast train from London to Edinburgh and enjoyed the countryside - it was so green (and it rained the whole time I was there). Lots of interesting ancient ruins, etc. And the shortbread was delicious. Met three ladies on the train who shared their tea with me. :)

Karen Norwillo
22-05-08, 22:18
I found the family in WA on many Territorial Censuses 1883-1887 and the 1900 and 1910 Census. In 1910, they are just above Hilda and Elias and their large family. The territorial records are very hard to read, very faded, but I can make out a few of the children's names. In 1883, Hilda was 9, born MI and her sister Ida was 6, also MI. In 1885, there is August Johnson 38, Mary 43, Hilda 12, Ida 9, Minnie 7, Anna 5 and ? 3/12. In 1900, there is an Ida and Ina at home. In 1910, Annie and Ida are at home. The 1900 census gives Ina as born Jul 1884, so she must be the ? on the 1885 census. Karen