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Wanda
27-08-08, 03:13
Does anyone have passenger records for August Snickars who left Finland around June 1901. He may have been traveling with Simon Snickars who came to Canada on 6-22-1901. If they traveled together I am looking for a relationship between the two.

Also looking for passport information on August Snickars. I have Simon's passport information and ship information.

Karen Norwillo
27-08-08, 18:09
Wanda,
I do see on the Institute of Migration that both Simon and August are on the Passenger List for 22 Jun 1901. Unfortunately, I no longer have full access to the info. There are two August Snickars listed on the Passport List, August Gabriel 1882 and August Wilhelm 1892.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
27-08-08, 18:52
Simon E Snickars arrived SS Corinthian from Liverpool to Quebec 14 Jul 1901 going to Eureka Alaska. Says from Vasa, Finland. Also says he was in US before 5 years. I found an Elmer Snickars in WWI Draft Reg, but he was born 6 Nov 1889 in Wasa lan, Finland. He registered in Katalla, Alaska. Simon E should have been born abt 1880.
The 1901 arrival for an August Snickars on SS St Paul 6 Jul 1901 going to Meridan, CT. So judging by age, 18, he'd be the August Gabriel Snickars born 1882. He was going to cousin Mary Carlson.
The August Wilhelm Snickars arrived in 1909 and was naturalized in Tacoma, WA in 1918. He was born 6 Apr 1892 and died 22 Nov 1966. He is buried in Lebanon Nat'l Cemetery, Lebanon, KY. He served in the Army in WWII.
There's another August Snickars arriving in 1909 age 23, travelling with Oskar Snickars, age 27, going to Worcester, MA. Says father Jonas Snickars in Närpes Norräs.

Wanda
30-08-08, 23:35
Nice job Karen. Thank you!

My Simon Eric Snickars born 1879 went to Utah. Could that be Eureka, Utah USA? Eureka, Utah is only a few miles from Bingham, Utah where Simon E Snickars AKA Sam Eric Johnson was found on the 1910 Census. Sam had a brother and Uncles named August Snickars but the Uncle was born 1872 and the brother was born 1888.

Thank you for the work on August Snickars. The birthdates are not a match so I will keep looking.

Nicholas
30-10-08, 20:02
Hi Karen & Wanda,

I have been off the list for awhile, thus I have just found your posts today.

One of the August Snickars you note--from Finby, Närpes--who you have written about was known to my father (and later to me, as well) as 'Uncle Gus.'

Uncle Gus came to the USA, and finally settled next door to his sister, my grandmother, Hulda Johan-Jakobsdottir Snickars/Johnson and her husband, Mats Wilhelm Smeds, also from Finby, Närpes. (She took the name 'Johnson' when her brother, Gus, took it. My grandfather took 'Smith' for Smeds, at the same time.)

Gus married his first cousin, Aunt Alida (Nyberg?), and they had three children, all now deceased. One of the children, Henry, has a living son with whom I am in occasional contact.

These two families lived, for much of the 20th century, in either Pueblo or Avondale, Colorado, USA.

The Oskar Snickars you wrote about, married my father's 'Auntie Anna' --who was Hulda's and Gus's sister. Yes, a Snickars married another Snickars, though the relationship is not known to me, and I suspect it was just a case of the same trade/farm name, but no close genetic relationship.

I never met Oskar or Anna, but my father was always happy to see Anna, and I recall his telling me about her visits. I believe that Oskar and Anna moved to California, but do not know for certain, or when or where.

If you have other specific information you would like about any of these people, let me know and I will try to find out for you. The two people--my aunt and my older cousin-- who would have had the most first hand information for you, have--much to my great sadness-- both passed away last year.

Nicholas

Denise
02-11-08, 02:48
Hi Wanda,
From the Institute of Migration records :

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names Simon E.
Age or age group 21
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Eureka
State of destination UT
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 449
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 22.06.1901
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 12/92
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names August
Age or age group 18
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Meriden
State of destination CT
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 205
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 22.06.1901
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line American Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 13/65
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names August
Age or age group 21
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Nampa
State of destination ID
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 470
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 17.04.1907
Ship from England Baltic
Date of departure from England 24.04.1907
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 52/98
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names August
Age or age group 23
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Boston
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 235
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 27.01.1909
Ship from England Oceanic
Date of departure from England 03.02.1909
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England Southampton
List and page 72/42
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names August
Age or age group 17
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 242
Ship from Finland Astraea
Date of departure from Finland 22.01.1910
Ship from England United States
Date of departure from England 27.01.1910
Ocean Line Skand. American
Port of departure in England *
List and page 77/48
Remarks *



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Detailed passport information
Last name Snickars
First names August Gabriel
Other names *
Date of birth . .1882
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Lankamestari
Home parish Vaasa
Province VAA
Passport date 07.08.1909
Passport number 4800
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Snickars
First names August Wilhelm
Other names *
Date of birth . .1892
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Mustasaari
Province VAA
Passport date 18.01.1910
Passport number 405
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Snickars
First names Simon Erik
Other names *
Date of birth . .1879
Marital status 2
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Sulva
Province VAA
Passport date 21.06.1901
Passport number 1941
Passport valid (year:month) 3:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sj vmo ja 1 lapsi.
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Detailed Sheriff's records information
Last name Snickars
First names August
Occupation Bondeson
Home parish / residence Mustasaari
Born in 1895-Dec-11
Date of passport/migration 1921
Place of destination Sweden
Additional information Passport Nr 783.
Source Passport archive of Vaasa province. Box 154. Document: Photo only


Best Regards,
Denise :)

Karen Norwillo
02-11-08, 17:06
Welcome back, Denise. We missed you. Cuz, Karen

Wanda
03-11-08, 03:05
Nicholas, Thank you for all of the information on your branch. I hope we find we are related sometime in the future. Our Snickars family came from a farm in Östergränden, Solf's Parish, Vaasa, Finland.

Simon Erik Snickars B. 1979 in Solf, Finland had four brothers and two sisters. His Ämbetsbetyg just arrived from Solfs församling, Korsholm. His brothers are listed below. Sadly this records show that both brothers named August passed away as children, in Finland. Do you recognize any of these names?

Johan Wilhelm born 20 August 1876 Solf d. 11 Febuary 1918 Married Hilda Johansdr earlier Finne born 20 Jan 1872 Pedersö. To America 1903

Anna Elisabeth born 29 November 1884, Solf d. in America 22 Jan 1908 Unmarried. To America 21 May 1906.

Simon's parents were Johan Johasson Snickars form 18 July 1854 Solf and Anna Bata Mattsdotter Brors born 5 April , 1857 in Solf. Johan and Anna Bata moved to Mustasaari, on April 30, 1910.

Johan Jonasson Snickars b.1854 were Jonas Johansson Snickars b. 28 August 1830 in Solf and d. 25 April 1906. Married to Anna Lisa Simon Eriksdotter earlier Gästgifvars born 29 June 1830 dead 13 Sept 1899.

Now you have the Passport information you can write to the parish for your grandparent's Ämbetsbetyg. It will tell you the parents and siblings for your family. It may also tell your others that came to the USA and when.

Good luck with your search. Let me know if you find a connection in our families. I have plenty of information on this Snickars line.

Wanda Johnson

Wanda
03-11-08, 03:42
Dear Denise, Thank your for the wealth of information from the Institute of Migration. I just found out that both of Simon's brothers named August died as babies or small children. Your hard work is much appreciated. I have to check our family tree as one of the Augusts may be an uncle.



May I trouble you to look for one more brother and sister?

His name is Johan Wilhelm Johansson Snickars born 20 August 1876 Solf, Vaasa, Finland and died February 1918.
Married to Hilda Johansdr Finne born 30 January 1872 Pedersö.
They moved to America 1903. No children recorded in Solf Parish.

Anna Elisabeth Johansdr Snickars born 29 Nov. 1884 Solf, dead in America 22 Jan 1908 Unmarried. To America 21 May 1906.

Denise
03-11-08, 04:44
Hi Wanda,
Here is what I found for you on the Institute of Migration. I'm sorry to say there were no records for your Johan Wilhelm.

Detailed passport information
Last name Snickars
First names Anna Elisabeth
Other names *
Date of birth . .1884
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Sulva
Province VAA
Passport date 02.06.1906
Passport number 3402
Passport valid (year:month) 5:00
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Snickars
First names Anna
Age or age group 21
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Salt Lake
State of destination UT
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 485
Ship from Finland Urania
Date of departure from Finland 09.06.1906
Ship from England St. Louis
Date of departure from England 16.06.1906
Ocean Line American Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 60/2
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Finne
First names Hilda
Age or age group 27
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Salt Lake City
State of destination UT
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 414
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 30.12.1899
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 14/24
Remarks *


Best Regards,
Denise

Wanda
04-11-08, 05:36
Thank you, this looks promising. I will check for Census records around Salt Lake City. The Johnson family settled close to Salt Lake City in a mining town called Bingham, Utah.

Kerstin
04-11-08, 15:48
Hilda Finne is arriving to New york on the 17 of jan 1900. She is coming from Lepplax and she is going to Salt Lake Utah. She´s got her sister Ida Söderlund in Eureka Utah

In the cencus of 1900 ther is a Ida Sutherland living in Eureka Utah. She is born in Mars 1867 in Finland and she is married to Andrew Sutherland born in Finland in august 1856
Edward Sutherland born in august 1888 in Finland
Joel Sutherland born in sept 1891 in Montana
Hilda Sutherland born in april 1894 in Utah
Ethel Sutherland born in feb 1898 in Utah
George Sutherland born in may 1900 in Utah
Hilda Johnson born in jan 1872 in Finland Servant Came to America 1900
Ida and Andrew has been married to each other for 14 years and ida has given birth to 7 children and 5 of them are living

And in cencus 1910 it looks like this
Andrew L Soderlund 53
Ida L Soderlund 43
Gustave E Soderlund 21
Andrew L Soderlund 18
Ethel M Soderlund 12
george F soderlund 9
walter R Soderlund 7
Leonard A Soderlund 5
Arthur T Soderlund 2
Otto A Soderlund

And the family still lives in Eureka in 1920

There is a WW1 draft card for Anders Joel Soderlund born sept 23 1891 in Butte Montana. He´s an unemployed miner and he lives in Eureka Utah

Kerstin

K-G Molander
08-11-08, 02:05
Found below info at http://history.utah.gov/apps/burials:

Johnson, Hilda 1/1/1872 11/24/1926 Eureka Cemetery. (No info about birth location or family members.)

K-G Molander
08-11-08, 02:18
Found at http://history.utah.gov/apps/burials/execute/searchburials

Burial Information: Sutherland, Andrew G.Birth: 0/0/1856
Death: 10/29/1925
Burial: 10/29/1925
Place of Birth: Finland
Place of Death: Provo, Utah

Kerstin
09-11-08, 14:28
Maby the family Sutherland has mowed to Reno Nevada in 1930?

Ida Sutherland 62. But her it says that she is born in Sweden.She´s a widow
Frank G Sutherland 28 Born in Utah
Walter R Sutherland 27 Born in Utah Sailsmen
Leonard W Sutherland 25 Born in Utah Oiler on Steam Railway
Arthur J Sutherland 22 Born in utah Baggage man on Steam railway
Albert O sutherland 20 Born in Utah Clerk in Bank
Joseph A Sutherland 39 Born in Utah Carpenter

Social security death index about Arthur Sutherland
Name Arthur Sutherland
Birth 13 juli 1907
Last residence 89431 Sparks Washoe Nevada united states of America
Last benefit 89503 reno Washoe Nevada United States of America
Died May 1978
State (Year) SSN Issued Ohio (before 1951)

WWII Army Entlistment record about Albert O Sutherland
Name Albert O Sutherland
Birth year 1909
Race White
Nativity State or County Utah
State Nevada
County or City ormsby
Entlistment date 11 aug 1942
entlistment state utah
Entlistment city Salt Lake city
branch Branch Immaterial-warrant Officers USA
Brance code Branch Immaterial -Warrant officers Usa
grade private
grade Code private
Term of Entlistment Entlistment for the duration of the war or other emergency,plus six month,subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law.
Component Selectees (entlisted men)
Source Civil lif
education 4 years of college
Civil occupation Cashier or Stock record clerk or Bookkeeper, General
Marital Status single, without dependents
Height 68
Weight 143

Social security death index about Albert Sutherland
SSN 530-05-8431
Last residence 89509 Reno, Washoe Nevada United States of America
Born 27 dec 1909
Died oct 1986
State (Year) SSN issued nevada (before 1951)

Wanda
12-11-08, 05:44
So I guess the next step would be to check T.A.L.K.O. to see if Hilda Finne that married Johan Wilhelm Snickars has a sister Ida who married Andrew Sutherland in Finland and moved to Eurika, Utah.

I was unable to access T.A.L.K.O. this evening. I will try latter.

Wow, you all have out done yourself. I greatly appreciate your assistance. Thank you.

Does anyone know how to get an Ämbetsbetyg from Pedersö? What parish to write to or an address for the parish?

Hilda Finne was born30 January 1872 in Pedersö.
Johan Wilhelm Johansson Snickars (may have used sirname of Johnson in Utah, USA) born 20 August 1876 Solf, Vaasa, Finland died Feb. 1918.

Kerstin
12-11-08, 07:32
You can reach them on this address

Pedersörenejdens kyrkliga samfällighet
PB 34
SF-68601 Jacobstad
Tel nr +358 (0)40 3100 400
pedersorenejdens*evl.fi

Kerstin