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Ayla
01-11-08, 18:45
Hi Everyone,

Hope you are all keeping well. I'm back at work now so don't have much time for my family research now :((, I try to do an hour or 2 here when I can.

Please can you check your databases and let me know if you have these people in them. I would love to find out some more dates and names if possible.

They are my great great grandparents : Simon Carlsson Hummelholm later Holmlund and Anna Sofia Henriksdotter.

Simon born 1837 Esse and died 1896 Ulvila.
Anna Sofia born 1836 died 1898 Ulvila. I dont know the full dates.

They had the following children:
Carl Axel born 1859 Pietarsaari, I dont know the full date
Axel Konstantin born 23 July 1860 Turku
Johan Henrik - my great grandfather, born 1862 in Turku and died 1947 Pori.
Irene Maria born 1877 died 1881 Ulvila
Elin Sofia, I don't know any dates for Elin but I heard that she had 3 children out of wedlock. I dont know if these children had the same father or not (oh the scandal :D :D , my family certainly have lots of these things happening, never a dull moment eh! :)))

Elin's children are :

Aarne Aksel Holmlund born 22 Oct 1896
Wilma Ellen born 20 July 1901
Svea Edith born 9 Aug 1905
All born in Kaasmarkku.

Any chance anyone has some more info for me please? I would love to find out the missing dates for Simon and Anna and also their children if possible. Also if I can find out any more about Elin's birth and death dates and more about her children would be great.
A long shot I know but it's a start.

Many thanks!

Ayla in London.

christina
01-11-08, 20:23
.......
They had the following children:
Carl Axel born 1859 Pietarsaari, I dont know the full date
Axel Konstantin born 23 July 1860 Turku
Johan Henrik - my great grandfather, born 1862 in Turku and died 1947 Pori.
Irene Maria born 1877 died 1881 Ulvila
Elin Sofia
.......
Many thanks!

Ayla in London.

From hiski I found these children of Johan Henrik (Juho in finnish).
Ulvila - Ulvsby - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

12.1.1885 14.1.1885 Kaasmarkku Tehdas Työntekijän poika Johan Henrik Holmlund v:mo Amanda Katarina 17 Irene Ingeborg

13.3.1887 13.3.1887 Kaasmarkku tehtaan työmies Juha Henrik Holmlund v:o Amanda 20-25 Sulho Henrik

30.10.1888 1.11.1888 Kaasmarkku itsellinen Juha Henrik Holmlund v:o Amanda 20-25 Martin (hätäkaste, vahvistettu)

22.12.1889 26.12.1889 Kaasmarkku itsell: Juha Henrik Holmlund v:o Amanda 20-25 Arvo Martti

4.3.1892 9.3.1892 Kaasmarkku tehtaan työmies Henrik Holmlund v:o Amanda 25-30 Weikko Martti

2.8.1894 5.8.1894 Kaasmarkku Jaakola itsellinen Heikki Holmlund v:o Amanda 25-30 Taimi Edit

26.9.1896 4.10.1896 Kaasmarkku Jaakola itsellinen Juho Henrik Holmlund v:mo Amanda Katarina 30-35 Aina Rauha

21.5.1899 29.5.1899 Kaasmarkku Jaakola itsell: Juho Henrik Holmlund v:mo Amanda Katariina Stenfors 30-35 Martti Veikko

Pori - Björneborg - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
16.6.1902 28.6.1902 Kaup: Kauppias Johan Henrik Holmlund v:mo Amanda Stenfors 35 Arvo Armas

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Ulvila - Ulvsby - buried
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.

29.6.1881 3.7.1881 Tehtaantyömiehen t:r Irene Maria Holmlund kuumet: 3 11 22

23.12.1888 1.1.1888 Kaasmarkku Itsellisen poika Martin Holmlund tunt: 1 23

20.5.1891 28.5.1891 Kaasmarkku Itsellisen poika Arvo Martti Holmlund keuhkokuume 1 4 28

8.6.1896 14.6.1896 Kaasmarkku Tehtaan työmies Simon Holmlund umpiuolikuume ? 59 4 18

original - PIK: synt: v: 1837
11.12.1897 .12.1897 Kaasmarkku Itsellisen poika Veikko Martti Holmlund tulirokko 5 9 7

original - PIK: synt: v: 1892

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And Irene Marias birthdate is:

Ulvila - Ulvsby - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
7.7.1877 8.7.1877 Karlsmark Fabriks-arbetaren Simon Holmlund h:u Anna Sofia 40-45 Irene Maria


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Christina Nordback

christina
01-11-08, 20:59
I also found:

Ulvila - Ulvsby - buried
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.

5.5.1898 8.5.1898 Kaasmarkku Itsellisleski Anna Sofia Homlund vatsatauti 61 9 25
original - PIK: synt: v: 1836
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Ulvila - Ulvsby - buried
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.

11.12.1897 .12.1897 Kaasmarkku Itsellisen poika Veikko Martti Holmlund tulirokko 5 9 7
original - PIK: synt: v: 1892

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Nakkila - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

2.12.1883 Karlsmarkku Puusepän poika Juhan Henrik Holmlund Räätälin tytär Amanda Katarina Stenfors

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Ulvila - Ulvsby - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

15.11.1885 Työmies Frans Rikard Österlund neito Anna Aleksandra Holmlund (Do she belong to this family??)
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Do you have this?
Nakkila - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

11.2.1867 14.2.1867 Ruskila Skräddaren Gustaf Stenfors h:u Anna Kaisa Michelsdotter 42 Amanda Katarina


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Christina Nordback

christina
01-11-08, 22:49
In Jakobstad (Pietarsaari) I found this:

Jakobstad - Pietarsaari - married
Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm
20.6.1858 Snick.ges. Simon Carlsson Holmlund Sjöm.dr. Anna Sofia Henriksson
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Jakobstad - Pietarsaari - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

4.3.1859 5.3.1859 Jacobstad Sjöm.o.Snick.ges. Simon Holmlund Anna Sofia Passila 21 år Carl Axel

Jakobstad - Pietarsaari - buried
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.
2.7.1859 7.7.1859 Jakobstad Carl Axel Holmlund oang. 3 28
original - ALKUPKOMM: Snick. ges. Simon Carlsson Holmlunds son.
original - PIK: dog i Nykarleby


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Christina Nordback

Ayla
01-11-08, 23:35
Hello Christina,

Thank you so much for this information. Some of it I already have but some of it I didn't know. It is always great to fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle!

Have a lovely Sunday
Ayla

Ayla
02-11-08, 00:02
Anyone have any ideas about Elin Sofia please? Birthdate maybe?
Huge thanks

Jaska Sarell
02-11-08, 01:49
Anna Sofia born 1836 died 1898 Ulvila. I dont know the full dates.

Nykarleby - Uusikaarlepyy - christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*9.7.1836 10.7.1836 Kyrkoby inh. Henr. Joh.ss. Pasila Anna Beata Mattsdr. 31 Anna Sofia

Ulvila - Ulvsby - buried

Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.
*5.5.1898 8.5.1898 Kaasmarkku Itsellisleski Anna Sofia Homlund vatsatauti 61 9 25
original - PIK: synt: v: 1836


:) Jaska

Kaarina
02-11-08, 11:29
Anyone have any ideas about Elin Sofia please? Birthdate maybe?
Huge thanks

Maybe this can help

Kaarina

Ayla
02-11-08, 12:24
Ahhh yes, this is fantastic Jaska and Kaarina!
Thank you sooooo much! It is great to have a full date.

3 children with no father listed. Same father, different fathers, who knows, but what would that have been like for a woman in those days?

Also, please can someone write down the full name of Anna's mum and dad below, I dont understand the abbreviations :(( Sorry


Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*9.7.1836 10.7.1836 Kyrkoby inh. Henr. Joh.ss. Pasila Anna Beata Mattsdr. 31 Anna Sofia



many thanks

Ayla
xxx

Karen Norwillo
02-11-08, 17:13
Father: lodger Henrik Johansson Passila, mother: Anna Beata Mattsdotter. She was 31 at Anna Sofia's birth in Kyrkoby, Nykarleby.
Karen

Ayla
02-11-08, 19:53
Many thanks Karen!

christina
02-11-08, 19:55
Ayla.
Here are the dates in my earlier text:

Simon Carlsson Holmlund b. 1837 in Esse, d. 8.6.1896 Kaasmarkku, Ulvila
Married 20.6.1858 in Jakobstad with:
Anna Sofia Henriksdotter Pasila b. 9.7.1836 Nykarleby, d. 5.5.1898 Kaasmarkku, Ulvila
Father: Henrik Johansson Pasila
Mother: Anna Beata Mattsdotter

Children:
Carl Axel born 4.3.1859 Pietarsaari, died 2.7.1859 in Nykarleby, buried in Jakobstad
Axel Konstantin born 23 July 1860 Turku Married 2.6.1884 in Ulvila with Sofia Aleksandra Koveli .
Johan Henrik born 1862 in Turku ; died 1947 Pori.
Married 2.12.1883 in Nakkila with Amanda Katarina Stenfors b. 11.2.1867 Ruskila, Nakkila (Parents: Skräddaren Gustaf Stenfors wife Anna Kaisa Michelsdotter (b.ab.1841))
Children:
Irene Ingeborg b.12.1.1885 Kaasmarkku
Sulho Henrik b.13.3.1887 Kaasmarkku
Martin b. 30.10.1888 1.11.1888 Kaasmarkku died 23.12.1888 Ulvila
Arvo Martti b. 22.12.1889 26.12.1889 Kaasmarkku died 20.5.1891 Ulvila
Weikko Martti b.4.3.1892 9.3.1892 Kaasmarkku died 11.12.1897 Ulvila
Taimi Edit b.2.8.1894 5.8.1894 Jaakola , Kaasmarkku
Aina Rauha b.26.9.1896 Jaakola, Kaasmarkku
Martti Veikko b. 21.5.1899 Jaakola, Kaasmarkku
Arvo Armas b.16.6.1902 Pori
Irene Maria born 7.7.1877 Karlsmarkku, Ulvila died 29.6.1881 Ulvila
Elin Sofia b. about 1870-75? (in 1896 20-25y) (in 1901 25-30 y.) (in 1905 30-35 y)
Elin's children are :

Aarne Aksel Holmlund born 22 Oct 1896 Kaasmarkku, Ulvila
Wilma Ellen born 20 July 1901 Kaasmarkku, Ulvila
Svea Edith born 9 Aug 1905 Kaasmarkku, Ulvila

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Christina

Ayla
02-11-08, 20:06
Thank you so much Christina, it's so good to see some familiar names :)
Martti Veikko was my grandfather. There is also another brother of his who should be on this list, he is Pauli Holmlund, the youngest child of Johan Henrik and Amanda Holmlund.Pauli was born in 1904.

Ayla
xxxx

Kaarina
05-11-08, 12:24
Ayla

You have this info ?

http://luutkasaan.blogspot.com/2007/04/holmlund-stubbin-sukuun.html

descendants to Anne Holmlund from Sulho Henrik b. 13/3 1887
byt sorry this is in Finnish language

Kaarina

Ayla
05-11-08, 15:35
Thankyou Kaarina, yes, I have seen this page. It is ok to be in Finnish. My Finnish is getting better every day :)) and if I get stuck, I am soooo lucky because I have my lovely äiti who lives very near me.

Minna C
05-05-09, 10:48
Hello!

It was so exciting to read your post. Elin Sofia Holmlund was my great-great grandmother. She changed her name to Saarilehto (Finnish translation of Holmlund).

She was born on 30.06.1872 in Lieto (near Turku), and must have moved to Kaasmarkku with the rest of her family. It is true that she never married, but I understand that this was her own choice. Family legend has it that her father, Simon Holmlund had arranged for her marriage to some wealthy landowner (Kartanon herra), and that upon meeting her for the first time, he wanted to examine her teeth. She is reputed to have refused and said something along the lines of ‘ she would rather be a rich man’s whore than his servant’.

She lived in Kaasmarkku for the rest of her life. I get the impression that she didn’t have much to do with her father, but kept in touch with the other members of the family. She operated the telephone exchange in Kaasmarkku, so my mother’s family all refer to her as ‘Keskuksen Mummu’.

She died on 16.11.1955 in Kaasmarkku. She is buried next to the church in Ulvila, and her grave is still marked with a headstone.

I always thought that she had only had 3 children, but thanks to your post, I can confirm that it is now 4. They are as follows:

Aarne Akseli Saarilehto, b. 22.10.1896, Pori d. 16.8.1961

His father was Axel Nordqvist, who was apparently an engineer or manager in the wool mill/factory in Kaasmarkku (Verkatehdas, see http://www.tkukoulu.fi/~pejuvahe/indextm.html )
It appears that his father probably paid for his education, as he became a school teacher in Kokemäki. He married Ester Edla Elisabet Hakaniemi (b. 10.07.1900, d. 11.04.1985 Kokemäki)

Aarne’s children are:

1. Mirja Esteri b. 19.6.1922 Pöytyä d.30.08.1985 Kokemäki
2. Liisa ANNELI b. 30.06.1923 Pöytyä d.
3. Olli Aarne Kristian b. 09.03.1925 Kokemäki d.

Olli married Hilkka Marjatta Palsi b. 12.05.1927 Tornio, and I understand that his descendants live in Kaari in Northern Finland.

Vilma Ellen Saarilehto, b. 20.07.1901 d. 22.02.1963
Married Frans Emil Koivunen b. 18.06.1897 d.

Vilma is my great-grandmother. She lived all her life in Kaasmarkku. In fact, the house where she and Frans Emil lived is still in the family! Her father is reputed to be Kalle Vuori, who lived in Kaasmarkku with his own family (scandal!). Apparently, it was a well known fact but never really mentioned. I know nothing about Kalle Vuori as my great-aunt, whom I presume does know something, refuses to talk about it!

They had 5 children:
1. Taimi Muisto Lemmikki b. 28.09.1921 (still living)
2. Jukka Veikko Nestori b. 06.10.1927 d. 12.06.1984
3. Jaakko ERKKI Eemeli b. 12.05.1929 d. 10.07 1977
4. Elli Veera Esteri b. 25.10.1930 (still living – my grandmother)
5. Elsa Anna-Liisa b. 04.04.1934 ( I will check – I thought it was 1932) d.2007 Åby, Sweden

Svea Edith b. 09.09.1905

This was exciting! I knew nothing of Svea’s existence, but a quick phonecall to my grandmother confirmed this. She remembers her grandmother (Elin) talking about Svea, and that she had a plait of her (red) hair. I think she was about 4 years old when she died, but of what, I don't know, and she was buried in the church yard in Ulvila.

Eero Iivari Ismael Saarilehto b. 29.05.1913 d. 23.02.1969
Married Airi Nummi b. 12.04.1914, Ulvila d.

They had 2 children:
1. Laila Kaarina b. 25.04.1941 d. 2007
2. Ansa Tuulikki b. 17.08.1942 d.

Eero and Airi were shopkeepers and had at least 2 shops in Ulvila. Their daughter Laila later took on the running of the shops.
Interestingly, the name Ismael has been left off his gravestone!


Let me know if you would like information on more recent generations too! My mother moved to England in the late 60's, and I too was born in London - strange to think I also have distant relatives there. Through some mad urge and sense of Finnishness, I moved to Ulvila a couple of years ago!

Regards

Minna

Ayla
05-05-09, 16:08
Minna!!!!OMG!!!!
I nearly fell of my chair when I read your message!!!I have been looking for Elin's family for a LOOOOOOOONG TIME! I never thought I would be able to find any living relatives of hers.....this is AMAZING!!!

Forgive me everyone while I have a mad moment!
AAAAAAAAAAARGH!!

I also was born in London, my mum came here from Finland in the 60's....I am still here......I can't believe that we grew up here but didn't know each other!!!This is unbelievable and very very VERY EXCITING!!!

You know that Elin was my great grandfather Johan's sister....so what does that make us if she was your great great grandmother?
Oh I have a million questions!
I am stunned, in shock but very happy to 'meet' you cousin!!
I am sure this message won't make sense, my head is buzzing with all sorts of things.
Where in London did you live? Is your mum still here?
I had better stop now, this is so exciting! I will send you a private message now before I drive everyone mad here. :D

So happy you wrote!

Ayla

Minna C
07-05-09, 13:10
In reply to Christina's question (1.11.2008):
Anne Aleksandra Holmlund was also Simon Carlsson Holmlund's daughter.
Born: 02.05.1865
Died: 15.08.1925
Married Frans Richard Österlund
Their surname was changed to SALOPURO.
They owned & ran a beauty salon in Helsinki. I have no further information, but I'd love to know more.....

Regards

Minna