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budjohnson
22-12-08, 02:50
I have a Magdalena Johansdotter Säksjärvi born June 20, 1784 to parents Johan Mattsson and Anna Mattsdotter. Based on the HisKi record it has Anna as 34 which would make her birth About 1750. What I am looking for is where the parents came from before Säksjärvi farm. There is no record of siblings of Magdalena recorded here and no marriage record that matches her parent's.
Bud

budjohnson
25-12-08, 02:32
I have a Magdalena Johansdotter Säksjärvi born June 20, 1784 to parents Johan Mattsson and Anna Mattsdotter. Based on the HisKi record it has Anna as 34 which would make her birth About 1750. What I am looking for is where the parents came from before Säksjärvi farm. There is no record of siblings of Magdalena recorded here and no marriage record that matches her parent's. I have that Johan Mattsson died on November 16, 1808.
Bud

The confusing thing is that there is another Johan Mattsson and another Anna Mattsdotter either living at or from Säksjärvi farm in the same time frame. There is a Johan Mattsson born in 1748 who died in 1828 and was living on the farm at the same time. The Anna Mattsdotter that I am looking for had children named Jacob, Hans and Matts in the 1810 census and she is listed as a Widow.

budjohnson
21-02-09, 15:50
Hi again

Still unable to figure out this puzzle. I have figured out however that the son in law of the farm head in the 1810 census Elias, who is the same Elias Jacobsson married to Magdalena Johansdotter in 1804, I believe. She is identified in the later census as Malin and he is listed as Elias Jacobsson.

Bud

Jaska Sarell
21-02-09, 16:42
I seem to have photographed original Purmo birth records 1775-(1804) from microfilm some years ago.
Magdalena's record was as follows [my additions in brackets]:
20 20 [Juni 1784] Sexjerf Magdalena
Johan Mattson Anna Matsdr 34 år [döpt av] AA
[faddrar] Isac Andersson, Anna Matsdr, Jacob Härmälä,
Greta Jonadr, Malen Johansdr, And: Simonsson

It's possible that an incorrect entry has been made for mother, as one of the godmothers was named Anna Mattsdotter. Probably she was the one that carried the baby to the chaplain (AA = Anders Aspegren) for christening.
I've heard of similar errors.

Malin (or Malen) is a shortened version of Magdalena, just like Elisabet = Lisa or Margareta = Greta.

:) Jaska

budjohnson
21-02-09, 19:50
Thanks Jaska

So if this is correct, the Johan Mattsson Säxjärvi documented in Talko born 12.6.1748 and died 19.1.1828, is the correct father of Magdalena Johansdotter.

Bud

Jaska Sarell
21-02-09, 22:08
Yes.
Since Johan is my ancestor's first cousin through her mother's Kylänpää line, I think I'll check out this family in communion books...

:) Jaska

christina
21-02-09, 23:40
Hi.
I have Magdalenas mother as Brita Hansdotter Lillkåll. (Källa: Släkt och bygd nr. 37 sid 42 Sääksjärvi hemman i överpurmo)


Sexjärvi, Magdalena Johansdotter. Born 20.06.1784 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Died 18.04.1824.

Father Sexjärvi, Johan Mattsson. Born 12.06.1748 in Sexjärvi, Överpurmo.
Died i Ålderdom 19.01.1828 in Sexjärvi,Purmo.

Mother Lillkåll, Brita Hansdotter. Born 02.11.1748 in Kållby, Pedersöre.
Died i ålderdom 21.10.1822 in Sexjärvi,Purmo.

Married 08.11.1804 to
Slip, Elias Jakobsson. Born 10.07.1784 in Slip, Purmo. Died 10.12.1844.

Children:
Sexjärvi, Jacob Eliasson. Born 28.01.1805 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 28.01.1805.

Sexjärvi, Lisa Lena Eliasdotter. Born 16.08.1806 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 17.08.1806. Died 30.08.1841.
Married 08.02.1829 to Långsjövatten-Högbacka, Matts Persson. Born 03.02.1804. Died 24.01.1875.

Sexjärvi, Simon Eliasson. Born 21.07.1810 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 22.07.1810.

Sexjärvi, Anna Brita Eliasdotter. Born 09.06.1813 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 13.06.1813. Died 02.04.1814.

Sexjärvi, Maria Eliasdotter. Born 17.08.1814 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 21.08.1814. Died 03.06.1825.

Sexjärvi, Johan Eliasson. Born 01.04.1816 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 07.04.1816.
Married 16.08.1835 to Sisbacka-Stenvatten, Greta Lisa Simonsdotter.
Born 31.01.1815.

Sexjärvi, Clara Eliasdotter. Born 28.03.1818 in Sexjärvi, Purmo.
Died c:a 1836.

Sexjärvi, Simon Eliasson. Born 26.04.1819 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 28.04.1819.

Sexjärvi, Greta Eliasdotter. Born 30.11.1820 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 03.12.1820.
Married 09.01.1848 to Storgård-Storbacka, Matts Andersson. Born 12.07.1810

Sexjärvi, Anders Eliasson. Born 09.01.1822 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 13.01.1822. Died 20.01.1822.

Sexjärvi, Cajsa Eliasdotter. Born 24.02.1824 in Sexjärvi, Purmo. Baptized 03.03.1824. Died 09.07.1832.

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Christina Nordback

christina
22-02-09, 00:08
Bud
Magdalenas ancestors 2496

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Christina

Jaska Sarell
22-02-09, 00:16
I have Magdalenas mother as Brita Hansdotter Lillkåll. (Källa: Släkt och bygd nr. 37 sid 42 Sääksjärvi hemman i Överpurmo)
Thanks Christina!
I'm sure that the author Rurik Åkerholm has got it right. There was no HisKi in those days (1994?) and he had to follow all sources carefully.

BTW: Index for Släkt och bygd can be found here (http://suvut.genealogia.fi/jsb/innehll.htm)

:) Jaska

budjohnson
22-02-09, 22:18
Christina
Jaska

Thank you so very much for your assistance. This matter has been an unresolved difficulty for quite some time for me. Your help has given me several generations of information that I was unaware existed before now.

Bud :)