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bonita420
25-12-08, 21:31
:) Can anyone please help me. It seems I have reached a stumbling block of sorts. I have traced my great-grandparents to Kusamo in Finland. I am trying to find the parents of my great-grandparents.
This is what I know; My great-grandfather was Anders Oskar Antony Korhonen born in Finland in 1863. He married my great-grandmother Maria Elizabeth Lampsa in 1886. She was born about 1866. They came to USA in1887.
I know Anders must have had siblings because a cousin of my grandfather came here in the 1970's to get a signature on a deed to the Korhonen farm in Kusamo. His name was Olavi Korhonen, and I think he must have been a son of a brother of my great-grandfather Anders as he was about the same age as my grandfather. I do not speak Finn so I don't understand what is written on the Finnish sites I have been to.
I would greatly appreciate any information anyone could share with me.
Thanks

kivinen1
25-12-08, 21:58
The ONLY Korhonen by that name that are listed in HisKi and come from the same REGION are listed below, note that the dates are not the same, though I've made the most likely candidate bold:

[I'm guessing this in NOT correct.] However, there WAS a Korhonen farm in Sievi, just so you are aware of that.
Birth Records for Kuusamo proper stop at 1850
Sievi - christened
* Years 1850 - 1870
* Father's last name: KORHONEN => Korhonen
* Child's first name: ANDERS => Anders

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*9.3.1853 11.3.1853 Sievi B.s. Joh: Korhonen Caisa 25-30 Anders

*27.10.1857 3.11.1857 Sievi B. Joh: Erikss. Korhonen Maja Lisa 30-35 And: Gustaf

*25.11.1857 29.11.1857 Sievi B.s. Henr: Jaks. Korhonen Johan:c And:dr 20-25 And: Oskar

Karen Norwillo
26-12-08, 18:25
Bonita,
I think this may be your Anders Oskar that I found on the FFHA site in Kuusamo. If it is, his father was Anders Korhonen and mother Elsa. I found the family in the 1877-1884 Household Roll on #49 Kaitero in Kuusamo.
I checked the entire 1866 births in Kuusamo and did not find Maria Elisabeth Lämsä. I looked at the same year HH Roll and didn't see her. There are loads of Lämsä/Lämpsä in Kuusamo. Unfortunately, the marriages don't go as far as 1886.
Attached are the images. I have cropped both for better views, but also send the full page.
I hope this is yours. Karen

bonita420
26-12-08, 19:35
Bonita,
I think this may be your Anders Oskar that I found on the FFHA site in Kuusamo. If it is, his father was Anders Korhonen and mother Elsa. I found the family in the 1877-1884 Household Roll on #49 Kaitero in Kuusamo.
I checked the entire 1866 births in Kuusamo and did not find Maria Elisabeth Lämsä. I looked at the same year HH Roll and didn't see her. There are loads of Lämsä/Lämpsä in Kuusamo. Unfortunately, the marriages don't go as far as 1886.
Attached are the images. I have cropped both for better views, but also send the full page.
I hope this is yours. KarenYes, I do believe these are my ancestors! Now if I could only find Elsa's parents names. I thank you ever so much for this info! I found the images hard to see. Is there a way you could tell me if Anders had any siblings listed in that household roll #49?
I thank you in advance of any further info,
Bonita Anderson

bonita420
26-12-08, 19:42
The ONLY Korhonen by that name that are listed in HisKi and come from the same REGION are listed below, note that the dates are not the same, though I've made the most likely candidate bold:

[I'm guessing this in NOT correct.] However, there WAS a Korhonen farm in Sievi, just so you are aware of that.
Birth Records for Kuusamo proper stop at 1850
Sievi - christened
* Years 1850 - 1870
* Father's last name: KORHONEN => Korhonen
* Child's first name: ANDERS => Anders

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*9.3.1853 11.3.1853 Sievi B.s. Joh: Korhonen Caisa 25-30 Anders

*27.10.1857 3.11.1857 Sievi B. Joh: Erikss. Korhonen Maja Lisa 30-35 And: Gustaf

*25.11.1857 29.11.1857 Sievi B.s. Henr: Jaks. Korhonen Johan:c And:dr 20-25 And: Oskar

This could very well be a relative. Is there any way to find out more about that Korhonen farm in Sievi? I would greatly appreciate any further info you could help me with. I get so excited about this stuff, it's like finding gold!
Thank you,
Bonita Anderson

Karen Norwillo
26-12-08, 20:22
If I'm reading the dates correctly, I may have to go back to the FFHA site to be sure, there are 8 Korhonen children on that HH Roll.
Father.. Anders Korhonen 29.49.1836
Mother.. Elsa Greta 15.8.1838
Maria Eleanora 15.8.1861
Anders Oskar 6.3.1863
Anna Sofia Emilia 4.6.1864
Alina Kristina 30.3.1866
Johan Alfrid 18.3.1868
Olga Lydia 26.8.1872
Alina Elisabet 28.8.1874
Emil Erhard 16.1.1876
Karen

Karen Norwillo
26-12-08, 22:04
Bonita,
I went back to FFHA and checked those birthdates. I found almost all of them. Maria Eleanora should be 1862. I could not find Olga, Alina or Emil. The other appear to be correct.
I also went into Hiski and found in Kajaani-Kajana parish Jormua #6
15.8.1838 Thomas Keckman and Elsa Stina Haataja Elsa Gretha
Jormua #12 29.9.1836 Pehr Korhonen and Ana Gr. Sivonen 38 Anders and Pehr, twins
24.2.1861 Kuusamo Anders Korhonen and Elsa Greta Thomasdtr Kemppain P275
So it looks like they were both born in Jormua, Kajaani and then married in Kuusamo. The marriage entry is found in Kajaani.
Karen

bonita420
27-12-08, 02:39
Bonita,
I went back to FFHA and checked those birthdates. I found almost all of them. Maria Eleanora should be 1862. I could not find Olga, Alina or Emil. The other appear to be correct.
I also went into Hiski and found in Kajaani-Kajana parish Jormua #6
15.8.1838 Thomas Keckman and Elsa Stina Haataja Elsa Gretha
Jormua #12 29.9.1836 Pehr Korhonen and Ana Gr. Sivonen 38 Anders and Pehr, twins
24.2.1861 Kuusamo Anders Korhonen and Elsa Greta Thomasdtr Kemppain P275
So it looks like they were both born in Jormua, Kajaani and then married in Kuusamo. The marriage entry is found in Kajaani.
Karen
I am so excited! I just knew there had to be siblings of my great-grandfather. Maybe now I can even find my cousin Olavi Korhonen. He has to be kin of one of them.
Thank you again,
Bonita

bonita420
27-12-08, 02:46
If I'm reading the dates correctly, I may have to go back to the FFHA site to be sure, there are 8 Korhonen children on that HH Roll.
Father.. Anders Korhonen 29.49.1836
Mother.. Elsa Greta 15.8.1838
Maria Eleanora 15.8.1861
Anders Oskar 6.3.1863
Anna Sofia Emilia 4.6.1864
Alina Kristina 30.3.1866
Johan Alfrid 18.3.1868
Olga Lydia 26.8.1872
Alina Elisabet 28.8.1874
Emil Erhard 16.1.1876
Karen
Wow! I applaud your help! I have been searching for a long time and I just have not been able to find anything. It is saddening that none of my aunts or uncles knew anything about our ancestry, but my children will know now!
Thank you,
Bonita

Karen Norwillo
27-12-08, 04:58
Bonita,
More info
In Kajaani-Kajana
24.4.1824 Jormua #12 Bd S ukrl Pehr Olofsson Korhonen and Trp.dr. Ana Greta Hci. Sivonen...married
27.2.1798 Jormua Henric Siwonen and Elin Merilätär..Anna Marg.(Ana Gretha)
These are all children of Pehr and Ana Gretha
21.2.1825 Elsa Christina
18.12.1828 Olof
9.12.1832 Caisa Gretha and Johan Henric twins
29.9.1836 Anders and Pehr twins
Karen

Karen Norwillo
27-12-08, 05:18
more info
1833 Kajana st Svarf mest ukrl Thomas Larsson Keckman and Bd,dr Elsa Stina Henricsdr. Haataja of Jormua.
children
14.2.1836 Jormua #6 Lars Herman
15.8.1838 Elsa Gretha
24.7.1841 Gustaf Johan
13.12.1842 ANNA Helena
8.11.1845 Adolf
MOVED OUT 3.6.1849 to Sotkamo Thomas Keckman and wife, children Thomas, Lars Herman, Elsa Gretha, Anna Lena and Adolf
18.8.1849 in Sotkamo born Johan to these parents
28.4.1854 in Kajana P244 Augusta Sofia. Says mother 42.

Karen Norwillo
27-12-08, 18:04
Bonita,
I found the marriage of two of Anders Korhonen's brothers.
30.4.1852 Jormua by, Bs.uk Olof Pehrsson Korhonen and Tpdr. Anna Maria Mattsdr Kovalainen Jormua by
30.10.1853 Jormua by, Bs.uk Johan Henrik Persson Korhonen and Stds.inv enk Brita Stina Levoska Kajana
This may be the birth of Elsa Stina Haataja, wife of Thomas Keckman.
28.6.1794 Wuottolax, Henrik Karjal (Karjalainen) and Maria Haataja 29,Kajana
Elsa Stina.
I also found a birth that looks like it could be Pehr Korhonen. The year is close to that of his future wife, Ana Greta Sivonen
Sotkamo 31.12.1796 Nuasj. village #12, Olof Korhonen and Elin Rimbiläinen..Pehr.
I hope all this helps. Hope to find your Maria Lämsä.
29.7.1864 Kuusamo Bs. Erik Lämsä and Elsa Maria, a daughter Maria Elisabeth. From Kuusamo Syntyneet 1855-1868 FFHA.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
27-12-08, 18:43
Here are the images from FFHA for some of the info I posted.

Karen Norwillo
27-12-08, 18:45
More images

christer
27-12-08, 19:43
Hi Karen and Bonita

Maria Elisabeth Lämsä b.29.7.1864 is found with the family at digiarkisto
on picture no 3 in churchrecord: Rippikirja II 1877-1884 under surname A because the Lämsä family changed their surname into Ahola. Could not attach the current picture for some reason but im sure you will find it.
I can check in the regional archive in Vasa if we have marriage record for 1886 and communionbooks 1884-1891, due to my list we probably have this info.

Regards Christer

Karen Norwillo
28-12-08, 03:29
Bonita,
Here's the image that Christer refers to. From FFHA Kuusama 1877-1884 II image #3
Erik Hansson Lämsä Ahola 1.7.1828
Elsa Maria 24.2.1829
Johan Fredrik 12.4.18? hard to read, could be 1849 or 1939
his wife Elsa Madlena 1.7.1852
their daughter Emma Karolina 31.5.1875
Laara 14.5.1861
Maria Elisabet 29.7.1864
Lovisa 21.8.1868

24.2.1829 Pousu village, Kuusamo, Bd. Joh. Granroth and Dorde 40..Elsa Maria
Karen

bonita420
28-12-08, 03:56
Hi Karen and Bonita

Maria Elisabeth Lämsä b.29.7.1864 is found with the family at digiarkisto
on picture no 3 in churchrecord: Rippikirja II 1877-1884 under surname A because the Lämsä family changed their surname into Ahola. Could not attach the current picture for some reason but im sure you will find it.
I can check in the regional archive in Vasa if we have marriage record for 1886 and communionbooks 1884-1891, due to my list we probably have this info.

Regards Christer
Oh my goodness! The two of you { Karen and Christer}have made me extremely happy! I would have never found all of this information on my own. I had no idea about the name change to Ahola. Yes I would like a copy of the marriage record. Many heartfelt thanks, Bonita

Karen Norwillo
28-12-08, 04:48
I found the family on the previous HH Roll 1867-1876 Kuusamo
Ahola farm #30. It looks like Johan Fredrik's year of birth is 1855. Much clearer on this one. This one also shows Elsa Madlena's as 2.7.1852.
I also found the marriage for them, Johan and Elsa in April 1874. She was born Elsa Madlena Sigfrisdotter , looks like Kurvinen. The old books are sometimes hard to read.
If you click on the attachments once, then when it comes up, if you click again, it enlarges it more. Just in case you didn't know.

Glad I was able to help. Karen

christer
28-12-08, 10:50
Hi again
There are some notes to the right on the original churchrecord that you cant see on the attached picture.
Erik and Elsa Ahola were both charged for spirit destillation, a very common crime at that time.
Johan Fredrik drowned 25.6.1883

Saara married 25.8.1883 to Anders Saapunki b.2.4.1855 from page 189, picture 127.
Christer

bonita420
28-12-08, 18:38
Hi again
There are some notes to the right on the original churchrecord that you cant see on the attached picture.
Erik and Elsa Ahola were both charged for spirit destillation, a very common crime at that time.
Johan Fredrik drowned 25.6.1883

Saara married 25.8.1883 to Anders Saapunki b.2.4.1855 from page 189, picture 127.
Christer
Hi Christer,
Is that crime of spirit destillation the same as making illegal alcohol for drinking?
or is it some other kind of spirit?
Bonita

Karen Norwillo
28-12-08, 20:21
Bonita,
I had a similar notation found in my family. He was fined for making "moonshine." I think that's what Christer meant.
Attached are the images from the Kuusamo churchbooks for some of the Lämsä children. I cropped them from the page to keep size down. I guess I missread Saara as Laara, S's and L's look very similar and the handwriting isn't always good. These are all from Kuusamo birth, marriage, death records. The marriage is the second on the page, says Antti Saapunki, same as Anders. Looks like he was 25 and she 22. You'll notice all the births, etc use the Lämsä name.
Happy New Year, Karen

Karen Norwillo
28-12-08, 21:01
Christer,
Are you able to translate the notation found on the birth record of Gustaf Johan Thomasson Keckman 24.7.1841? It looks ominous, but I couldn't come up with a translation. Found in the Kajaani records on Hiski. What it looks like it says is "utskuren fr. moder lifr. Huom! ed. teksti oli kirjoitettu epäselvästi!"
The two exclamation points caught my interest. Karen

bonita420
28-12-08, 22:39
Christer,
Are you able to translate the notation found on the birth record of Gustaf Johan Thomasson Keckman 24.7.1841? It looks ominous, but I couldn't come up with a translation. Found in the Kajaani records on Hiski. What it looks like it says is "utskuren fr. moder lifr. Huom! ed. teksti oli kirjoitettu epäselvästi!"
The two exclamation points caught my interest. Karen

I cannot translate anything very well. What does it say in English? It must be interesting. I really appreciate all the help. I could never do it by myself.
Happy New Year!!
Bonita

christer
28-12-08, 22:54
Hi
If im right it means something like "född med kejsarsnitt", when i looked that up in dictionary i found " Caesarean section" ??? is that what you call it.

About the " moonshine", i think they made it for sale, that was probably the crime.
christer

bonita420
29-12-08, 00:05
Hi
If im right it means something like "född med kejsarsnitt", when i looked that up in dictionary i found " Caesarean section" ??? is that what you call it.

About the " moonshine", i think they made it for sale, that was probably the crime.
christer Hi,
Yes a caesarean section is when they surgically remove a baby that is having trouble being born the natural way. I sort of guessed about the "moonshine". I just wondered if the "spirit" part had anything to do with witchcraft, because you never know what is going to be uncovered in our ancestry.
Thank you again and Happy New Year!
Bonita

bonita420
14-04-09, 21:00
I have received a lot of help finding my ancestors, but I am now trying to find out if two of them were married in Finland and if either one of them had children.
They are Johan Alfrid Korhonen born 02/18/1868 in Kuusamo and Emil Erhard Korhonen born 01/16/1876 in Kuusamo.
One of them has to be the father of a cousin of my grandfather. I don't seem to find anything about them coming here so I assume they stayed in Finland when my gr-grandfather came here.
I'd be happy for any assistance.
Thank you,
Bonita

Tapio Rautio
08-08-09, 12:16
Hello Bonita!

Do You know this database on the internet?

http://www.sukujutut.fi/

From the main window, choose: Sukuraitti,
then nr. 13 Reijo Kiviniemis database,
on the right click ; Etsi
Type; etunimi, (first name) anders oskar, then
sukunimi; Korhonen, then click: etsi (search)

Good hunting luck!

Tapio

Tapio Rautio
08-08-09, 12:34
More...

http://www.sukujutut.fi/haku/default.asp

Also check Erkki Aikkilas and Veikko Ronkainens databases.

Erkki Aikkila is the author of several books about the history of families in Kuusamo.

http://www.sukujutut.fi/asiakas/aikkila/index.htm

http://suvut.genealogia.fi/tornberg/




Tapio