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Scandberg28
06-05-09, 03:11
Hello,

I am looking for help in finding out who my ancestors from Finland were from before the 1900s and further back. I received assistance on another message board to find some information and was referred here to find out further ancestry.
The research I have is:
My grandfather was Oiva Sandberg. He was born in Rauma, Finland 26 OCT 1913 and died in New Jersey 25 July 1997.
His father, Ludvig Sandberg, was born about 1866 in Finland and immigrated to the U.S. He died on 16 JUN 1939 at age 72 . He was married, I believe, to a Helena Sandberg who was born about 1876(not certain of this). I’d like to trace Ludvig’s family back as far as I can (Birth places, marriages,occupations, church records, etc.) Is there a way to find out Helena’s maiden name also and trace her side back with this information as well? Any research is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Michael

Denise
06-05-09, 04:49
Hi Michael,
Here is a start on information on Ludvig Sandberg. It appears he was also born in Raumo/Rauma about 1869 according to his Boston Passenger Record. He was a sailor. :) I'll see what else I can find.

Best Regards,
Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Ludvig Sandberg
Arrival Date: 26 Apr 1896
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Bothnia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Raumo
Microfilm Roll Number: 18

Denise
06-05-09, 05:03
Hi Michael,
Here is the 1920 Census with Ludvig living as a boarder and he worked in a ship yard. He stated that he was married, so his spouse must have still been in Finland at that time.

Denise :)

1920 United States Federal Census 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Luding Sandberg
[Ludwig Sendberg]
Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 39, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 53 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head-of-house: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Finland
Mother's Birth Place: Finland
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1885
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 727
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Havas 28
Manda Havas 31
Helen Havas 6
Harry B Havas 11/12
Luding Sandberg 53

Denise
06-05-09, 05:21
Hi Michael,
Here is Helmi Maria Sandberg's passport application. It is a total of three pages, with a photo of the whole family on it. :D

P.S. The very first page (on the left side, is someone else's application, and has nothing to do with Helmi. It's just the way Ancestry.com had to copy it for the site.)

Denise

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Name: Helmi Maria Sandberg
Birth Date: 13 Nov 1875
Birth Place: Rauman, Finland
RESIDENCE: Brooklyn, NY, New York
Passport Issue Date: 13 Jan 1921
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

Denise
06-05-09, 05:25
Hi Michael,
Here is the 1930 Census for the family, residing in Massachusetts then.

Denise

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Luding Sandberg
Home in 1930: Fitchburg, Worcester, Massachusetts
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Finland
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Helmi
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Luding Sandberg 63
Helmi Sandberg 54
Taimi M Sandberg 30
Charles Sandberg 27
Orsi Sandberg 20
Tom Dominick 60

Denise
06-05-09, 06:14
Hi Michael,
I am not positive that this marriage of the Anders Samuel Sandberg and Maria ? Antila in Rauma would be Ludvig's parents but it may be a possibility. (5 paragraphs down on right side of page) This record was from SSHY.
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/HisKi-digiarkisto.php?plid=444

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
06-05-09, 06:23
Michael,
If the above marriage is Ludvig's parents (Anders Samuel Sandberg and Maria Antila), then this Samuel Sandberg and spouse, Juditha Mattsdr. on Hiski is probably Anders Samuel Sandberg's parents. http://hiski.genealogia.fi/historia/indexe.htm

Denise :)

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Rauma - Raumo - all


Christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
*29.7.1754 29.7.1754 Taari Johan Sandberg Margaretha Farell Johan Henric
*11.12.1756 11.12.1756 Randala Stads:Fischalen Johan Sandberg Margaretha Farell Isac
*6.1.1847 7.1.1847 Arb k. Samuel Sandberg Juditha Matts:dr. - Amalia
*7.1.1847 8.1.1847 Marela - Pig. Sofia Sandberg 26 Gust. Wilhelm (o.ä.)
*8.11.1850 8.11.1850 Sipi Pig. Sofia Sandberg 30 Fredric (o.ä.)
*20.12.1851 20.12.1851 Sjöman Joh. Fred. Alander Sofia Sandberg 30 Johan Fredric
*14.3.1855 14.3.1855 Sjöm. Fredric Alander Sofia Sandberg 35 Sofia
*23.7.1855 23.7.1855 Sjöm. Vilhelm Rhenholm Eva Maria Sandberg 25 Johan Vilhelm
*2.12.1836 5.12.1836 Wermundila Diirika Trp Samuel Sandberg Juditha Mattsdr 30 Lovisa
*20.7.1839 21.7.1839 Wermundila Diricka Trp Samuel Sandberg Juditha Mattsdr 32 Johan Henric
*29.10.1842 30.10.1842 Wermundila Diiricka Trp Samuel Sandberg Juditha Mattsdr 36 Serafia

A total of 11 events found.


Buried

Age
Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.
*16.6.1783 Son Triedrich 2 7 19
relative: Borgn Esaias Sandberg
*14.11.1823 1823 Hru Lisa Johansdr Slag 58 8 25
original - HAUKK: -
original - HAUPV: -
original - ALKUPKOMM: Slagen till döds af sin man
relative: Försk Sandberg
*9.8.1834 11.8.1834 Fk Josua Sandberg Lungsot 36 10
original - IKAPV: -
original - ALKUPKOMM: Gift
*29.9.1835 7.10.1835 Kautua Bruks bokhåll Simon Sandberg Rötfeber 58 13
original - IKAKK: -
original - ALKUPKOMM: Enkl
*15.3.1837 19.3.1837 Fk enka Anna Elisabeth Johansdr Sandberg Lungsot 44 9 3
*31.7.1849 2.8.1849 Oä son Gustaf Vilhelm Obek 2 6 24
relative: Inh Sofia Sandberg

Hasse
06-05-09, 07:23
I forwarded this message to the Finnish/Swedish Suku Forum. Maybe somebody there would know the Sandbergs of Rauma.

Hasse

Scandberg28
07-05-09, 01:24
Hi Denise,
Wow, thank you very much for the quick response and information. It was quite helpful! Seeing the passenger records and picture of the family was amazing. Could you help me to understand this section:

Christened/Burial sections

I'm not sure where to separate the names and villages since the text is right next to eachother. The burial section seems to have a diff language for part of it to.

Also, did you have any luck finding Helmi M. Sandberg's maiden name and family?

Thanks again!
Michael

Denise
07-05-09, 05:22
Hi Michael,
Have you had any experience using the Hiski site? If not, on this link choose Rauma/Raumo and when you get to the next link choose christened, married, buried, or all, and the type the surname Sandberg in for the last name for the results. They will be easier to decifer on the site itself. http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en
No, I haven't had any luck finding Helmi Maria's maiden name yet as Hiski and SSHY do not have images for the 1870's. Sorry. :(

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
07-05-09, 05:40
Hi Michael,
This marriage may be a possibility for your Ludvig and Helmi from Hiski. Instead of just choosing Rauma/Raumo, click on the map of Finland for that area which would be number 4 http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/1p7krb?en+A04and would include all parishes in that area. Maybe Ludvig didn't go by his first name of Anton.

Denise :)

Pori - Björneborg
Married
Announced / Married 26.9.1885
Man Village / Farm Kaup: srk:
Name Tynnyrinsitojan säl: Anton Ludvig Sandberg
Wife Village / Farm Kaup: srk:
Name vahtimestarin tytär Helmi Häggström

Scandberg28
07-05-09, 05:41
Hey Denise,

No, I don't have experience with that site. I will check it out and see what I can find. You have been most helpful in starting my search.


I see you just put another post. This is possible that he did not use his first name, very interesting. If this is accurate then Helmi's maiden name would be Haggstrom.


Michael :)

Denise
07-05-09, 06:01
Hi Michael,
On the Institute of Migration I have found a passport and passenger record for Helmi Maria.


Detailed passport information
Last name Sandberg
First names Helmi Maria
Other names *
Date of birth . .1875
Marital status 2
Religion *
Occupation Merimiehen vmo
Home parish Rauma
Province TUR
Passport date 05.02.1902
Passport number 134
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks Sp tytär Taimi Maria s. 1900.


Detailed passenger information
Last name Sandberg
First names Helmi Maria
Age or age group 45
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 2538
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 19.03.1921
Ship from England Mauretania
Date of departure from England 26.03.1921
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England Southampton
List and page 116/7
Remarks Mk Ossi Mikael ja Oiva Kalervo Sandberg.

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Here is a reference record for Oiva Sandberg from The institute of Migration.


Detailed information (Reference records)
Last name: Sandberg
First names: Oiva C.
Other name: *
Date of birth: 99.99.9999
Place of birth: Rauma
State of birth: TUR
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: 25.07.1997
Place of death: Newton Square
State of death: PA
Country of death: USA
References: - Raivaaja 20.08.1997: 4 ("Kuolleita").
Remarks: Ikä: 83. Amm: Työnjohtaja. Pso: Maisie L. Sandberg. Lapset: Charles M. Sandberg, Linda L.Transue, Jean F. Rinaldo. - Asunut aikaisemmin Fitchburgissa ja Mays Landingissä. Ollut sotilasuralla.

Denise
07-05-09, 06:07
Michael,
Here's another possibility. I wish I could find a "sure thing" for you! Maybe Ludvig's first name was Mikael? It would be nice if there was a birthdate on this Mikael Ludvig.

Denise :confused:

Detailed passport information
Last name Sandberg
First names Mikael Ludvig
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Rauma
Province TUR
Passport date 18.03.1896
Passport number 126
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Scandberg28
07-05-09, 06:20
Hi Denise,

I looked at that site a little and I'm still trying to figure it out. I don't think that marriage between Helmi Haggstrom and Anton Ludvig Sandberg was right because Helmi was said to be born in 1875 and that marriage would make her only 10 years old at the time.. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I tried to find out when and where my grandfather Oiva Sandberg was christened but it didn't come up either.

Michael

Denise
07-05-09, 06:21
Hi Mikael,
Here is Helmi (Helena) Maria Sandberg and children's passenger record from 1921 from Ancestry.com.

Denise :)

Scandberg28
07-05-09, 06:23
Here is something that I am pretty certain is accurate about Ludvig from another site. It tells of my grandfather, Oiva, who was one of his 3 sons. Maybe Ludvigs middle name was Mikael. Let me know what you think:

And this is a obituary from Fitchburg Sentenial the 16 of june 1939 about Ludvig M Sandberg
Ludvig M Sandberg 72, of 10 cottage Square, died last night at his home after a long ilness. He was a retired carpenter and was last employed in New york City. He was born in Kauma Finland but have lived in this country for 55 years.He had been a resident of this this city for the last 18 years. He is survived by three sons. Carl Sandberg of this city, Ossi Sandberg of New york and Oiva Sandberg of the US NAVY, a daughter, Miss Taimi Sandberg of this city and three grandchildren. The funeral will be at home, 10 Cottage squere, Sunday at 2 pm. Burial will be in Forrest Hill cemetary

Denise
07-05-09, 06:34
Hi Mikael,
It takes a bit of practice to use Hiski and SSHY. I'm still learning! :) You wouldn't find Oiva on either of those sites as Hiski has births up to the date of 1855 and SSHY until 1863. So, no available records to find a sure thing yet... It is a good possiblity that Ludvig's middle or first name was Mikael though from the obit. you posted. I'll keep looking. Oh, and I agree about that marriage record not being possible for your Helmi.

Denise :)

Denise
07-05-09, 06:38
Mikael,
Maybe try writing an email to this link for further info. on your Sandberg family.

http://rauma.seurakunta.net/

Denise :)

Denise
07-05-09, 06:43
Sorry,
this should be the address.
Denise


rauma.seurakunta-AT-evl.fi
(02) 837 751
(02) 8229 568
ma-pe 9-15, ke 16-17.30
PL 158 , 26101 RAUMA
Kirkkokatu 2 , 26100 RAUMA

Scandberg28
07-05-09, 14:19
Thanks Denise. I will try to email that Rauma website you linked. Do they answer questions in English?

Michael

Denise
07-05-09, 14:53
Hi Michael,
If they don't answer your questions in English just post it in this site and I'm sure someone will be able to help you. Also, Google has a translation tool which is pretty helpful. http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&sl=fi&tl=en#

Denise :)