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RuneM
12-05-09, 16:34
Hi,
I have tried to trace the brothers above but I haven’t found anything.
Here is what I know, partly from the book “Korpobor i Amerika” by Bill Vidén:
Johan Erland was born 11 June 1857, died in California about 1920 and his brother Otto Leander was born 17 March 1860.
They were seamen and immigrated to USA where they become fishermen in CA
Otto Leander immigrated 1901 and Johan Erland maybe a little bit earlier.
Johan Edvard married Anna Maria (Amanda Mathilda) Gustafsdotter Elfing in USA
Anna Maria was born 25 August 1857 in Korpo.
Johan and Anna were cousins, they had a common grandmother, they had probably no own children but they had an adoptive son.
Also, a couple of nieces of Anna Maria immigrated in 1913 and Bill Vidén thinks they moved to their aunt in CA:
Anna Mathilda Gustafsson Elfving born 11 Nov 1890 in Korpo died, 22 Feb 1918 in USA and her stepsister Nanny Fransiska Theklasdotter Hamberg b 17 Dec 1881 in Houtskär
Best Regards
Rune

Denise
14-05-09, 06:01
Hi Rune,
I'll start by posting this information, just in case you don't have it, but it looks like you probably do. I did not find a birth for Otto on Hiski. I'll keep looking. Are you also looking for ancestors or just descendants?

Denise :)

Korpo - Korppoo
Christened

Born / Christened 11.6.1857 12.6.1857
Village / Farm Björkö
Father Bde: Matts Mattsson
Mother Anna Isaks dr 31
Child Johan Erland


From the Institute of Migration there are numerous Mattsson's from Korppoo but it doesn't appear any of them are yours.

Search results (Passport records)

Last name First names Passport date Date of birth Home parish Destination
Mattsson Albert August 11.01.1890 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson August Albert 05.05.1892 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson August Michael 11.06.1894 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson August Mikael 11.12.1896 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Emil Richard 28.09.1905 . .9999 Korppoo *
Mattsson Ernst Hjalmar 03.04.1902 . .1883 Korppoo New York
Mattsson Frans Albert 14.12.1892 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Frans Anton 05.05.1892 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Johan Linus Theodor 23.06.1899 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Johannes Konstantin 20.08.1904 . .1861 Korppoo California
Mattsson Johannes Linus Teodor 14.07.1892 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson John 03.01.1903 . .1875 Korppoo New York
Mattsson Karl Oskar Valentin 21.05.1895 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Karl Oskar Valentin 13.12.1901 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Karl Otto 03.03.1905 . .1868 Korppoo *
Mattsson Mathea Emilia 22.05.1905 . .1875 Korppoo Amerikka
Mattsson Mathias August 19.05.1891 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Mathias August Alfred 22.09.1894 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Matias Frithiof 03.04.1902 . .1867 Korppoo New York
Mattsson Matias Mauritz 01.05.1902 . .1884 Korppoo Amerikka
Mattsson Matias Wilhelm 03.04.1902 . .1875 Korppoo New York
Mattsson Petter Karl Konrad 27.03.1896 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Tomas Emilius 07.05.1896 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat
Mattsson Wilhelm Gottfrid Alarik 29.06.1898 . .9999 Korppoo Ulkomaat

RuneM
14-05-09, 11:20
Thank you Denice!
Yes, unfortunately it is a very common name!;)
And yes, it is the right Johan E, the Hiski records of births for Korpo ends in February 1866 so it is the reason that Otto L (born March 1866) not can be found there.
I know the ancestors of the brothers; they were brothers of my great grandfather.
A little bit more: (and some corrections, I have double checked in the book)
Otto Leander travelled probably between 1888 (his passport application is dated 19.7 1888) and 1890 (when there is a note “In Amerika” in the church record)
Also, he visited the old home about 10 year later and returned 1901.

Johan Erland travelled between 1885 and 1890 and the passport application of Anna Maria is dated September 1890.

So it is possible that they travelled together thought I have not found them in any immigration records.
I am not sure but I don’t think they have any descents (except for the adoptive son), as far as I know Otto L was never married.
But it would be interesting to know what happened with them.
By the way, Bill Vidén interviewed my grandmother (1891-1979) for the book. She was born Öhman and was a sister of John Hjalmar (Hjalmar Johannes) Ohman, previously diskussed .
Best regards
Rune

Denise
14-05-09, 15:13
Hi Rune,
I don't know how relevant this may be, but here is the border crossing of an Otto Elfving from Canada to the U.S. Thought I would post it in case it turns out to be a clue of some sort. States his wife is Elina Elfving, but other information on where he is going (it appears to be Johan/Juho?) or from is blurred/dark or hard to decifer.

Best Regards,
Denise

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Otto Elfving
Arrival Date: 8 Dec 1907
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1883
Birth country: Finland
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Finnish

Ship Name: Empress of Britain
Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Denise
14-05-09, 15:40
Hi Rune,
Do you have access to Ancestry.com? There are Elfving birth and death records in California I can post for you that may hold clues. Would you like them?

Best Regards,
Denise :)

RuneM
14-05-09, 19:35
Thank you again Denise!
No, I have no access to ancestry.com at the moment.
I have tried it before at the library of the Swedish Genealogical Society here in Stockholm, Sweden but it is now closed.
I think I saw Otto Elfving then, I don’t think he has something in common with Anna Maria. (But certainly it is not impossible!)
I tried a google search for “Otto Elfving” Finland and among others I got a hit on a member of the Finnish Parliament about 100 years ago!

On the second hand: The Elfving birth and death record in California may be a clue!

Don’t think that Anna Maria used the name after the marriage but maybe her nieces…
There are no correspondence between Johan E/Otto L and their siblings in Finland; Bill Vidén also notes that Johan E wasn’t able to write so I think most of the information my grandmother had was from the Finland journey in 1901.
Best Regards
Rune M

June Pelo
15-05-09, 01:15
I have a Lina Elfving, b. 1841, who married Walter Runeberg, son of Johan Ludwig Runeberg. I also have data about another Elfving family in Oulu, but have no data to indicate any of them went to the US.

Denise
15-05-09, 06:19
Hi Rune,
Here are the births and death records of Elfving's in California from Ancestry.

Denise :)

BIRTHS
Name Birthdate Gender Mother's Maiden Name Birth County
Mark R Baker 15 Aug 1957 Male Elfving Butte
Monika E Baker 26 Apr. 1959 Female Elfving San Mateo
Brian P Baker 3 Sep 1961 Male Elfving San Mateo
Raymond B Elfving 28 Jun 1908 Male Bortelso San Mateo
Beulah A Elfving 5 Apr 1910 Female Bortelso San Mateo
Velita B Elfving 11 Aug 1914 Female Bortelso San Mateo Robert W Elfving 5 Jun 1914 Male Wisnom San Francisco
Donald Carl Elfving 20 Jun 1941 Male White Alameda
William Johnson Elfving 17 Mar 1941 Male Johnson San Mateo
Karen Joan Elfving 3 Jun 1943 Female White Alameda
Richard Frederickfis Elfving 3 May 1946 Male Fisher San Mateo
Ronald David Elfving 17 Dec 1951 Male Fisher San Mateo
Kristina E Elfving 24 Mar 1958 Female McKay San Mateo
Daniel Sina Elfving 9 Jul 1984 Male Sedaghat San Francisco
Mark Wisnom Elfving 24 Jan 1984 Male Hino Santa Clara
Scott Johnson Elfving 6 May 1985 Male Hino Santa Clara
Natasha Shirin Elfving 30 Oct 1988 Female Sedaghat San Mateo
Christophera Farrell Elfving 19 Aug 1989 Male Farrell San Francisco
Kathryn Sue Elfving 4 Sep 1992 Female Elfvinglawrence Sacramento
Monica Honami Elfving 8 Feb 1993 Female Iida Alameda
Whitney Lila Hill 24 Feb 1993 Female Elfving El Dorado
Lita Kristina Hill 28 Nov 1994 Female Elfving Nevada
Sandra Lohr 11 Aug 1973 Female Elfving Orange
Darrin A Mingus 4 Oct 1971 Male Elfving Contra Costa
William Chester Morris 10 Jun 1937 Male Elfving San Francisco
Lars Mathias Nesselsten 4 Jan 1980 Male Elfving Santa Clara Jeanette Rae Raines 28 Jan 1939 Female Elfving Stanislaus
Kimberly M Solly 27 Oct 1963 Female Elfving Contra Costa
Christopher Johnathanlee Wilson 26 Feb 1994 Male Elfving Sacramento

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DEATHS
Name Death Date Death Place Birth Date Birthplace Mother's Maiden Name

Margit Elizabeth Anderson 15 Aug 1957 Los Angeles 1 Mar 1893 Other Country Elfving
Astrid Bruton 14 Aug 1967 San Diego 1 Jan 1896 Sweden Elfving
Johanna Elfving 2 Dec 1961 San Joaquin 30 Oct 1869 Sweden Person
Emerick J Elfving 15 Jul 1961 Santa Clara 12 Jun 1872 Sweden
Emrick J Elfving 15 Jul 1961 Santa Clara 12 Jun 1872 Sweden
Nels Mikel Elfving 22 Dec 1950 Fresno 8 Feb 1872 Other Country Nelson
Jane D Elfving 18 Feb 1962 San Mateo 4 Oct 1876 California Donnan
Hannah A Elfving 21 Dec 1961 Santa Clara 16 Sep 1877 Kansas
Johanna A Elfving 21 Dec 1961 Santa Clara 16 Sep 1877 Kansas
Thore M Elfving 3 Apr 1975 San Mateo 11 Nov 1901 Other Country
Avy Caldwell Elfving 8 Aug 1989 San Mateo 10 Dec 1902 Other Country Higgins
Carl Donnan Elfving 21 Jul 1983 San Mateo 4 Oct 1903 California Wisnom
Brita Margareta Elfving 21 Feb 1982 San Mateo 21 Dec 1905 Other Country Odhner
Raymond B Elfving 21 Aug 1960 Alameda 28 Jun 1908 California Bartelso
Mary Elfving 22 Nov 1994 Orange 14 Aug 1910 Pennsylvania Tyskinski
Hazel C Elfving 29 May 1995 San Diego 19 Jun 1913 Guam Camacho
Margaret F Elfving 8 Aug 1969 San Mateo 11 Jan 1914 Pennsylvania Grauel
Robert Wisnom Elfving 17 Apr 1991 San Mateo 5 Jun 1914 California Wisnom
Jean Elfving 19 Jun 1967 Sacramento 24 Dec 1924 Iowa McKinley
Mary Louise Elfving 5 Jun 1992 Los Angeles 24 May 1956 Illinois Flora
Dorothy Elfving Irwin
[Dorothy Elfving Elfving] 9 Apr 1996 San Mateo 8 Apr 1901 California Wisnom
Anna Christine Johnson
[Anna Christine Elfving] 9 Sep 1940 Fresno 4 May 1867 Other Country
Josefina Lagergren
[Josefina Elfving] 2 Apr 1946 Los Angeles 6 Oct 1872 Other Country
Astrid Nancy Lahlum 16 Nov 1994 San Diego 14 Jan 1920 New York Elfving
Hilma Elving Ryland
[Hilma Elving Elfving] 21 Apr 1987 San Diego 20 Jul 1894 California Olson
Hilma E Ryland
[Hilma E Elfving] 21 Apr 1987 San Diego 20 Jul 1894 California Olson

Denise
15-05-09, 06:31
Hi Rune,
Here are WW1 Draft Registration records for the Elfving name.

Denise :)


World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Conrad Elfving
City: San Francisco
County: San Francisco
State: California
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1875
Race: White
Roll: 1543863
DraftBoard: 4
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature
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World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Olof Gabriel Elfving
City: Fresno
County: Fresno
State: California
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1876
Race: White
Roll: 1530791
DraftBoard: 0
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature:

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World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: George Elfving
City: Philadelphia
County: Philadelphia
State: Pennsylvania
Birthplace: Finland;Russia
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1896
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1907763
DraftBoard: 40
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature:

Denise
15-05-09, 06:50
Hi Rune,
Here is an Anna Mattson from Korpo, Finland on a Boston Passenger Record.

Best Regards,
Denise

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Anna Mattson
Arrival Date: 25 Feb 1914
Age: 37 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: swede;Finnish (Swedish)
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Arabic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Oskar Mattson
Last Residence: United States of America
Birthplace: Korpo, Finland
Microfilm Roll Number: 212

Denise
15-05-09, 07:02
Here is a passport record for an Emil Arvid Mattsson from Abo, Finland...

Denise :)

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Name: Emil Arvid Mattsson
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1871
Birth Place: Abo, Finland
Gender: Male
RESIDENCE: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Passport Issue Date: 3 Jun 1915
Spouse Name: Elsa Josefina
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

Denise
15-05-09, 07:23
Hi Rune,
I believe these are 2 passports for your Amanda (Anna) Matilda Elfving from the Institute of Migration.

Denise :D


Detailed passport information
Last name Elfving
First names Amanda Matilda
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Torpp. tr
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 28.06.1890
Passport number 390
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Elfving
First names Amanda Matilda
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Torpp. tr
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 06.09.1890
Passport number 649
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Denise
15-05-09, 07:49
Hi Rune,
Here are Mattsson names from Korpo on passports from the Institute of Migration.

Denise :)

Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Albert August
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 11.01.1890
Passport number 11
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names August Albert
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 05.05.1892
Passport number 188
Passport valid (year:month) 2:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names August Michael
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 11.06.1894
Passport number 356
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names August Mikael
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 11.12.1896
Passport number 1015
Passport valid (year:month) 3:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Emil Richard
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 28.09.1905
Passport number 3331
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination *
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Ernst Hjalmar
Other names *
Date of birth . .1883
Marital status 1
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 03.04.1902
Passport number 498
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination New York
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Frans Albert
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Perämies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 14.12.1892
Passport number 894
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Frans Anton
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 05.05.1892
Passport number 189
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Johan Linus Theodor
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 23.06.1899
Passport number 644
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Johannes Konstantin
Other names *
Date of birth . .1861
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 20.08.1904
Passport number 1513
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination California
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names John
Other names *
Date of birth . .1875
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 03.01.1903
Passport number 49
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination New York
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Karl Oskar Valentin
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 21.05.1895
Passport number 259
Passport valid (year:month) 2:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Karl Otto
Other names *
Date of birth . .1868
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Maalaiskauppias
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 03.03.1905
Passport number 1038
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination *
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Mathea Emilia
Other names *
Date of birth . .1875
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Ent. taloll. tr
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 22.05.1905
Passport number 1976
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Mathias August
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 19.05.1891
Passport number 202
Passport valid (year:month) 0:1
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks Sp sisar Sofia Wilhelmina Mattsdotter.
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Mathias August Alfred
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 22.09.1894
Passport number 457
Passport valid (year:month) 0:3
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Matias Mauritz
Other names *
Date of birth . .1884
Marital status 1
Religion *
Occupation Merimies
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 01.05.1902
Passport number 876
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Matias Frithiof
Other names *
Date of birth . .1867
Marital status 2
Religion *
Occupation Taloll.
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 03.04.1902
Passport number 495
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination New York
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks Sj vaimo ja 1 lapsi.
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Detailed passport information
Last name Mattsson
First names Petter Karl Konrad
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Merikapteeni
Home parish Korppoo
Province TUR
Passport date 27.03.1896
Passport number 146
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ulkomaat
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

RuneM
17-12-13, 13:38
First, thanks everyone who tried to help me almost 5 years ago!
Thanks to this (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/) I have now found the brothers, but not as fishermen in CA, they were farmers in Washington, almost everything about the brothers were wrong in the book. In April 1889 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=EB0D1D2E10C004A5293FBC2070A0150A&ViewAsJpegPage=0) they lived together in Seabeck, Kitshap, Washington
September 12, 1890 leaves Amanda Mathilda Elfving Gothenburg, the journey goes via Hull to NY and then to WA and October 30, 1890 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/View/697F9C3ACCFAB4953AB2081D1B698AB5) married John and Mathilda

The same year as Mathilda immigrated arrived also Edla Isakson (perhaps they traveled together)
Edla was born on Nagu Sandholm, a neighbor island to Björkö and in 1891 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/View/929C0E710A47F9C8010E0142AB663899) married Edla and Otto.
In this way I have been able follow the families thanks to http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/

But some things I still wonder about!
1. In 1910 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=CCD79AFF3D6FBDAE925F76FF55CE3468&ViewAsJpegPage=0) lived Otto & Edla with their son Alfred "Fred" in Seabeck, Kitsap, WA
And John & Mathilda (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=7240EB1180D639105D414785D0A71CFE&ViewAsJpegPage=0) lived in Pearson Kitsap (some kilometers away according to Google Maps) with their adopted daughter Elsie Sholund/Sholand.

But in 1920 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHFJ-C5R), Otto and Edla are gone and their son Alfred “Fred” lived with his uncle John in Bangor, Kitsap
it seems that something happened to Edla and Otto that decade (maybe an accident, they were younger than 60 then.)

2) John and Mathilda had an adopted daughter (not a son as said in the book) Elsie Sholund (Sholand in 1921 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/View/218D2F850783CA7006683DE12D381819) when she marries the Sweden-born Alfred Brunn)
Elsie was born in 1901 in Washington, she had Finnish parents who apparently immigrated in 1900 or 1901 but Ellis Island was closed due to fire Jun 16, 1897 to Dec 16, 1900, perhaps it is the reason I can not find a suitable Sjolund/Sholand/Sholund.


I give 5 stars of 5 for Washington State Archives - Digital Archives!

RuneM
17-12-13, 18:31
An addition: although Otto from Korpo in Finland did not became fisherman like his father became Otto's and Edla's son (and my father's second cousin) Alfred "Fred" Matson it. (well, sort of;))
As written above married "Fred" Ruth Wenz in 1927 and they moved to Alaska where Ruth became a teacher.
More about this can be read here: http://www.gustavushistory.org/search.aspx?query=matson&from=0&to=0&year=&coll=0&source=0&in=ALL

I laughed and enjoyed when I read it!

Karen Norwillo
17-12-13, 19:20
Here is some additional information about Elsie Mathilda Sholund from Ancestry.com. She was born 7 Sep 1901 in WA and died 7 Nov 1984 in Sonoma county, CA. She was first married to Alfred Brunn and they had a daughter Lorraine. In 1930 the family was in Seattle, and her mother Mildred Mattson age 72 widow lived with them. Alfred N Brunn died 31 Dec 1940 at age 52. He must have died after the 1940 census where he, Elsie and Lorraine age 11 are in Seattle. Alfred's parents given as Nels Nelson ans Sofia Larson. He is buried in Evergreen Waselli Memorial Cemetery. In 1945, Elsie Brunn married Nels Joel Holm. He was born 20 Jul 1892 Sweden and died 15 May 1979 Sonoma county, CA.

RuneM
17-12-13, 20:53
Thanks Karen
Interesting data from Ancestery (which I do not have access to)
But ... Are you sure about this: "In 1930 the family was in Seattle, and her mother Mildred Mattson, age 72 widow lived with them"?
familysearch.com named Elsie's mother (and Alfred Brunn's mother in law) "Mathilda Matson" (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC37-VP5) and i think Mathilda Matson vas born as Amanda Mathilda Elfving in Korpo, She was living with her adoptive dougther and she died there in 1936 (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/D56ABBFB3E089B81C7434B17C7611F24) " "”78 years 11 months 8 days”

Karen Norwillo
17-12-13, 21:56
My error. I typed Mildred instead of Mathilda. I'm sure she probably considered Mathilda and John her parents as she was with them as early as 1910. That doesn't mean she was her birth mother. I'm sure this is one and the same person. 1936 would make her age as 78. She would be Alfred's mother-in-law if Elsie considered her as her mother. Sorry about the typo.

Karen Norwillo
18-12-13, 19:58
Here's that 1930 census image. I cropped it. They are at the top.

RuneM
19-12-13, 09:47
Many thanks for your help Karen!

I did not know that I could see the scanned originals of all censuses until the year 1940 free of charge at Ancestery
I think I now have "everything" about John and Mathilda (except where Elsie's parents / mother came from in Finland)

Gustavus http://www.gustavushistory.org/articles/view.aspx?id=10044 website writes about Fred as follows:
“In 1927 Ruth married Fred who had been migrating back and forth to Alaska on cannery tenders since the age of 17.”
I had to Google for ”cannery tender” :) and it is possible that his father and/or uncle earned their living that way although they are listed as farmers in all censuses; they were noted as sailors and fishermen when they lived in Finland.

Now it is only one question left: Why disappeared Otto and Edla sometime between 1910 and 1920, Fred was living with his parens in the census of 1910 but in 1920 he had moved to his uncle and his parents vas gone :confused:

Karen Norwillo
19-12-13, 16:53
Do you have a date of birth for Edla?
I found Alfred O Matson (Fred) in 1930 and 1940 with his wife Ruth O. 1930 they are in Seattle and both work in a hotel, he as an engineer of some sort and she in the linens. Engineer could mean anything from a janitor, sanitation engineer or keeping the building running. In 1940 they are in Sitka, Alaska. There are no children listed.

Karen Norwillo
19-12-13, 17:10
Here is the marriage certificate for Alfred O Matson and Ruth O Wenz. Ruth born 19 Sep 1898 in Illinois and died May 1980 in Sitka, Alaska. Alfred O Matson born 11 Dec 1901 in WA and died Jul 1984 in Sitka. From SS Death Index. Ruth's age varies with census, sometime she's the same age as Fred, other times older. On license she is older. Note she is given as a teacher.

Karen Norwillo
19-12-13, 17:51
Here's the marriage of Lorraine W Brunn and Lee E Sims in 1949. Lorraine was born 14 Jan 1928. I find them living in Santa Rosa, CA 1995-2000.

RuneM
19-12-13, 19:38
Edla Mathilda Isakson Matson was born 26 Jan 1861 and Otto Matson was born 17 Mar 1860

I found the marriage certificate for their son Alfred O Matson and Ruth O Wenz and I also found their death in the SSDI

You can read more about the couple and the reason they moved to Alaska here http://www.gustavushistory.org/articles/view.aspx?id=10044
There are more about them (even photos) on http://www.gustavushistory.org/ try to search there for Matson; they were local celebrities

Karen Norwillo
19-12-13, 22:18
What a wonderful site. Great information about Fred and Ruth. Thank you for sharing.
Karen

RuneM
30-12-13, 19:20
OK, I think we ha solved most of Otto & Elna and their son Fred now (except for what happened between 1910 and 1920) so back to Otto’s brother John, his wife and their adopted daughter Elsie Mathilda Sholund / Sholand.
Just a theory so far but I think Elsie in 1914 witnessed her brother's wedding as E M Sholund (see upper part of enclosed picture) and six years later she married Alfred Brunn as Elsie Sholand (lower part)
The signatures are very similar!

The snag is: if this is true; Elsie was only 14 years of age when she witnessed her brother's wedding. Was there not then in WA an age limit to witness and sign a wedding ceremony?
And… I think that this is another one of Elsie´s brorhers:
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010330&slug=obit30m

Karen Norwillo
31-12-13, 21:23
I checked the WA state site about marriage witnesses. There is no present age specified for witnesses, but as it is a legal document, they now recommend 18. But, this was long ago and they may not have even questioned the age of the witness.
Perhaps she looked older.

Karen Norwillo
01-01-14, 17:42
I found a possible matching family in Norton, Jefferson, WA that seems to be the Sholund family of Walter and Michael. In 1900 Michael Sholund 54 Sweden, wife Aida Sweden, married 17 yrs. daughter Edith 16, son Even 13, son Walter 10, son Alexander 7 son Michael 2 and son Martin 1. Perhaps the E Sholund was Edith and not Elsie on Walter's marriage. In 1910 wife's name is Petrunella, Michael married twice, no Elsie and just youngest children at home. (Michael 14 and Martin 11) Here it shows father from Finland, mother from Sweden. Ancestry.com
From WA Death Index, Even should be Eben. Another possiblity is that Aida died in childbirth in 1908 when Elsie was born and Michael couldn't care for an infant and placed her with another family and then remarried. Unusual, but possible.

Karen Norwillo
01-01-14, 22:48
Found a delayed birth filing for Martin Sholund born 10 Sep 1898, father Mike Sholund, mother Ida Johnson. Says Fish Harbor, Clellam, WA. Many early births were never recorded or reported until the person needed proof of birth for something. So Aida was Ida. Maybe that's why you can't find Elsie's on the WA Birth Index.
Also, just noticed under witnesses on those 2 marriage documents, man is listed first. E Sholund may have been Eben Sholund. Other witness is a Mrs. Joseph Rush.

RuneM
03-01-14, 09:27
Thanks Karen, I too found the rapport yesterday

The Problem with Michael Sholund and his family is now solved thanks to Ben-Erik Pahlman at Åland!
Here is what happened:

Michael was born 24.2.1846 in Lemland, Söderby Åland, he was a sailor and had lived in the US 1869-1873 but he returned to Åland and in 1883 he married Ida Johanna Annasdotter, born 13.8 1868 in Jomala, Åland.
They got 4 children at Åland
Edit Mikaela Sjölund. Born 13.11.1883
Elin Mary Sjölund. Born 29.8.1885 Died 10.11.1885
Mikael Ebenhard Sjölund. Born 30.8.1887 (In US called ”Eben”)
Mathias Waldemar Sjölund. Born 10.11.1889 (In US called “Walter C.”]

In 1887 (probably wrong year as Mathias Waldemar was born 1889) emigrated Michael to WA and Ida followed in 1892 with their 3 living children.
In WA they got 4 more children:
Alexander born 1893
Michael Seymour born 1896
Martin T. born 1898 and Elsie Mathilda born 1901
But, in 1903 Ida died in childbirth when Anna was born, Anna died also.
Their oldest daughter Elsa was already married, she married Valentine Costello Clemet in 1901, Eben, Walter and Alexander left their home shortly thereafter and my great great grand uncle with wife took care of Elsie who was 2 years old.
In nov 4th 1908 remarried Michael with Petteronella Pehrson 56 years old from Sweden
and in the census of 1910 they are living together but Elsie stays with John and Amanda.

I think it time to take a time-out now, I have material that will take months to solve out!
The last month I have found more of my great great grandfathers brothers John And Otto in WA than I have of my great great grandfather him self!
I have newer before seen so much scanned original documents and so much facts although I miss the death of Otto & Adla. A guess is that they died in some kind of accident about 1918.


Some related links:

Marriage Records Michael Sjolund Pettronella Pehrsson 11-04-1908
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=933D0F6F90455927480B271D7EC1317E&ViewAsJpegPage=0

Census Records 1910 Jefferson County (Federal)
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/21C834B2412B1FA061FDE14E03C3912F

Death Records 15 Feb 1918 Michael Sholund 73 Year Seattle, King, Washington
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/DF58D1748994548C1583617211DE6D13


Death Records Social Security Death Index – Washington 03/24/2001 MICHAEL S SHOLUND
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/0EF3D82ED1296EF66C9A0C68C048CD40

Marriage Records Michael S Sholund Jessie Cottle 24 Dec 1917
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=7C95FA8B8D0785F2D4C2AE62AECBA42B&ViewAsJpegPage=0


Marriage Records Michael S Sholund Jessie Cottle Hannah R Wintermeyer 05-20-1961
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/ViewAsJpeg?ID=E3DF1DE331A7B428FCD921C87301B04C&ViewAsJpegPage=0

Obituaries | Michael S Sholund
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010330&slug=obit30m

Eben Sholund (1887 - 1941) - Find A Grave Memorial
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=48888918

Death Certificates of Finns in Pierce County
http://www.genealogia.fi/emi/emi3d20p5e.htm

Thanks again Karen!