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kivinen1
14-06-09, 02:22
Hi,

I use HisKi quite often, but someone has given me some information recently that I would like to verify, at least online. Does anyone with access have time to check FFHA for me? :o

Combined information given to me came from both HisKi and FFHA [Finland's Family History Association].

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/index_eng.htm

Here is the information as it was given to me:

In Kiiminki
Born -------Christened ---- Father --------- Mother -------------- Child
26.12.1823 28.12.1823 Lösa k: Lars Kärnä Lisa Staffansdr 25-30 Anna Stina

Only 30 miles (45 km) between Liminka and Kiiminki (with Oulu in the middle)

And maybe, you have to check, I just made a quick look:

In Oulu, married 3 Nov 1819 [my own note: I believe this should be Oct]
Man: Drg: Lars Kärnä
Women: Bdr: Lisa Paso

Lisa Staffansdotter Tuohima-Paso born 5 Aug 1796 in Kiiminki:
father: Staffan Staffansson Pondo?-Tuohima-Paso
mother: Margeta Bengtsdotter Paso-Tuohima-Paso

Margeta Bengtsdotter Paso born 29 Nov 1775in Nederkiiming, Haukipudas:
father: Bengt Johansson Paso
mother: Lisa Pehrsdotter

Bengt Johansson Paso born 10 Nov 1741 in Nederkiiming, Haukipudas:
father: Johan Påhlsson Paso
mother: Britha Bengtsdotter

Johan Påhlsson Paso:
father: Påhl Mattsson Paso
mother: Carin Philipsdotter

And there are more to find ... [this is what he/she wrote]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So, can anyone at least take a look to verify that this the correct information?

Also, if there is "more" as he/she wrote above, any additional information will be greatly appreciated.

Especially if more is available on the Kärnä line too.

Thank you! :)

BoSundqvist
19-06-09, 19:30
In Oulu, married 3 Nov 1819 [my own note: I believe this should be Oct]
Man: Drg: Lars Kärnä
Women: Bdr: Lisa Paso

From: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulu/vihityt_1792-1854_tksrk_ik139/83.htm

Oulu Tksrk Tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Vihityt, 1792-1854, IK139 (picture 83)

"Förelyste och vigde år 1819
October
(Place:) Stad (date:) 3 Dreng Lars Kärna och bonde
dott. Lisa Paso"

So married: Oct 3, 1819 in Oulu city: Farm-hand Lars Kärna and farmer daughter Lisa Paso"
0ctober is correct.


Bengt Johansson Paso born 10 Nov 1741 in Nederkiiming, Haukipudas:
father: Johan Påhlsson Paso
mother: Britha Bengtsdotter

From: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/102.htm

Haukipudas rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Year 1749-1754 (picture 102: Alakiiminki, 3 Pasoi)

3: Pasoi
HB Johan Påhlsson 1700 in Septi (born in Sep 1700)
hust Britha Bengtsdr 17?3 in Marti (born in Mar 1713 or 1703)
...
son Bengt Johansson 1741 10 Dec (born Dec 10, 1741)
...

From: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1759-1776_mko8-16/6.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1759-1776, MKO8-16
Year 1759-1764 (picture 6: Alakiiminki, Pasoi)

Pasoi
HB Johan Påhlsson Sep 1700
hu Britha Bengtsdr Mar 1713 (born in Mar 1713)
...
Bengt Johansson 10 Dec 1741
...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1759-1776_mko8-16/9.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1759-1776, MKO8-16
Year 1765-1770 (picture 9: Alakiiminki, Pasoi)

Pasoi
Fad. Johan Påhlsson Sep 1700 - 13/9 1769 (died Sep 13, 1769)
hu Britha Bengtsdr Mar 1713
...
Bengt Johansson 12/10 174? (born Dec 10, 1741 or 1747)
...

So maybe not born Nov 10, 1741 but Dec 10, 1741:
Bengt Johansson Paso born Dec 10, 1741 in Nederkiiming, Haukipudas.
father: Johan Påhlsson Paso born Sep 1700 d. Sep 13, 1769
mother: Britha Bengtsdotter born Mar 1713

See also: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/10.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Year 17331-1748 (picture 10, Alakiiminki, 3 Pasoi)

I just check two parts, maybe some one can check more?
I hope this help a little

kivinen1
19-06-09, 19:40
Bo,

Tack så mycket! :D

Now I have some to work on.

BoSundqvist
20-06-09, 11:00
Hi Ilmari
Some support for these two quote below you can find in HisKi


Lisa Staffansdotter Tuohima-Paso born 5 Aug 1796 in Kiiminki:
father: Staffan Staffansson Pondo?-Tuohima-Paso
mother: Margeta Bengtsdotter Paso-Tuohima-Paso


Kiiminki - christened
Born Christened Father Mother age Child
b.20.12.1794 ch.21.12.1794 Nybygg:s: Staffan Staffss: Tuohima Margeta Bengtsdr 15-20 Stephanus
b.5.8.1796 ch.7.8.1796 Bd:s: Steffan Steffss: Tuohima Marg: Bengtsdr 20-25 Elisabeth (=Lisa)
b.7.2.1799 ch.8.2.1799 Bd:s: Staffan Staffss: Paso Margeta Bengtsdr 20-25 Brigitta
b.23.12.1800 ch.25.12.1800 Bd:s: Staffan Staffss: Paso Margeta Bengtsdr 20-25 Benedictus
b.29.12.1801 ch1.1.1802 Bd: Staffan Staffss: Paso Margeta Bengtsdr 25-30 Johannes
b.25.10.1803 ch.26.10.1803 Bd. Stephan Stephss. Paso Margeta Bengtsdr 25-30 Matthias
b.4.5.1808 ch.4.5.1808 Bd: Stephan Stephss: Paso Margeta Bengtsdr 30-35 Margareta

Maybe the family have moved from Tuohima to Paso between 1796-1799?


Margeta Bengtsdotter Paso born 29 Nov 1775 in Nederkiiming, Haukipudas:
father: Bengt Johansson Paso
mother: Lisa Pehrsdotter

Haukipudas - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child
b.10.4.1772 ch.11.4.1772 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Paso Lisa Pehrs dr: Johannes
b.21.2.1774 ch.3.3.1774 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Paso Lisa Pehrs dr: Britha (ndp: )
b.29.11.1775 ch.1.12.1775 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Paso Lisa Pehrs dr: 24 Margaretha
b.23.8.1777 ch.24.8.1777 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Påso Lisa Pehrs dr: 26 Petrus
b.21.7.1779 ch.23.7.1779 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Paso Lisa Pehrs dr: 28 Elisab:
b.12.2.1781 ch.23.2.1781 Nederkiiming bd: Bengt Joh:s: Paso Lisa Pehrs dr: 31 Benedictus

And maybe this is the same family:

Kiiminki - christened
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother - Child
b.13.3.1783 ch.14.3.1783 Bd: Bengt Paso Lisa - Simon
b.12.3.1785 ch.13.3.1785 Bengt Paso Lisa - Catharina
b.4.1.1787 ch.6.1.1787 Bd: Bengt Paso Lisa - Anna Christina
b.13.11.1788 ch.15.11.1788 Bd: Bengt Paso Lisa - Paulus
b.10.7.1790 ch.10.7.1790 Bd: Bengt Paso Lisa - Maria

And maybe this is Bengt and Lisa's marrige:
Haukipudas - married
Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm
12.3.1771 Ned:Kim bd:uk Bengt Joh:s: Paso bd:dt: p Lisa Pehrs dr Kolhemainen


In my first message "(Place:) Stad (date:) 3" need to be "(Place: ) Stad (date: ) 3"

kivinen1
20-06-09, 21:19
Bo,

This is great. :)

Seems I've got some data to enter now!

BoSundqvist
21-06-09, 12:15
And some info about "Lisa Pehrsdr Kolhemainen" you can find here:

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/18.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Alakiiminki, 11 Kolehmainen (Picture 18)
Year 1733-1736
Kåhlemain
Simon Persson hb
Carin Simonsdr hust
...
Pehr Simonsson
...
Year 1737-1742
Kåhlemainen
Simon Peersson hb
Carin Simonsdr
...
Peer Simon Son
...
Year 1743-1748
Kåhlemainen
hb Simon Pehrsson
hust Charin Simonsdr
sonen Pehr Simonsson 1720: 22 aug
....
sona hustru Margetha Pehrsdot. (married year 1746?, because first time on page year 1746)
...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/106.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Alakiiminki, 11 Kolehmainen (Picture 106)
Year 1749-1754
Kåhlemainen
hb Simon Pehrsson 1688 21 Septr
hust Charin Simonsdr 1687 13 (Nobr?)
son Pehr Simonsson 1720. 22 aug
hust Marg. Pehrsdr
...
dot. Lisa Pehrsdr 1750. 24 Dec

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1759-1776_mko8-16/21.htm

Haukipudas rippikirja, 1759-1776, MKO8-16
Alakiiminki, Kolehmainen (Picture 21)
Year 1759-1764
Kålhemainen
hb Simon Pehrsson Sep 1688
hu Charin Simonsdr N? 1687 - Nob? 1763
Pehr Simonsson aug 1720
hu Margetha Pehrsdr Dec 1721
...
Lisa Pehsdotter dec 1750
...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1759-1776_mko8-16/18.htm

Haukipudas rippikirja, 1759-1776, MKO8-16
Alakiiminki, Kolehmainen (Picture 18)
Year 1765-1770
Kolhemainen
far? Simon Pehrsson 1688
hb Pehr Simonsson 1720
hu Margetha Pehrsdr ?2/?6 1721
...
Lijsa Pehrsdot. 1750.
...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1759-1776_mko8-16/157.htm
Haukipudas rippikirja, 1759-1776, MKO8-16
Alakiiminki, Kolehmainen (picture 157)
Year 1771-1776
Kåhlemainen
fad: Simon Pehrsson 21 Sep 1688 - 14/5 1777
hb Pehr Simonsson 22 aug 1720
hu Margetha Pehrsdot. 16 Deb? 1721
...
(Lisa Persdotter no longer here)

Results:
Farm: Kolehmainen
Simon Persson b. Sep 21, 1688 d. May 14, 1777
Carin Simonsdotter b. Nov? 13, 1687 d. Nov? 1763
son Per Simonsson b. Aug 22, 1720
s.wife Margetha Persdotter Dec? 16, 1721
s.daugther Lisa Persdotter b Dec 24, 1750 (Away from farm 1770-1771)

in HisKi you can find more ...like
Haukipudas - christened
Born Village Father Mother Child
b.16.12.1721 Kello Pehr Pehrss: Mannila Garin Hans dr Margetha
(Maybe s.wife Margetha Persdotter)

Haukipudas - married
Married Village Man Wife Village
1.2.1746 Ned:kim uk: Pehr Sim:s: Golhemainen p: Margetha Pehrs dr Manninen Kello by

Haukipudas - buried
Died Village Person Cause yrs d.
18.11.1763 Ned:kim: hu Gath Sim:dr Golhemainen styng 76 4
original - PIK: bd Sim Golhemaises h
(Note: Gath = Catharina = Carin)

Haukipudas - christened
Born Village Father Mother Child
24.12.1750 Nederkiiming Pehr Sim:s: Kålhemainen Marge: Pehrs dr Elisabeth


so

And there are more to find ... seems to be true. :)

BoSundqvist
21-06-09, 13:18
And here some info about "Margetha Pehrsdotter Manninen"

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/65.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Kello, 7 Kiuttu eli Manninen (Picture 65)
Year 1732-1736
Kiuttu
eller Manninen
Pehr Pehrsson
hust Carin
...
Margeta Pehsdr

Year 1737-1742
Kiuttu eller
Manninen
Peer Peersson hb
hust Carin Haansdr
...
dot Margetha Peersdr
...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haukipudas/rippikirja_1731-1754_mko1-7/66.htm

Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Kello, 7 Manninen (Picture 66)
Year 1743-1748
Manninen
hb Pehr Pehrsson
hust Charin Haansdr
...
dito Margetha Pehrsdr, är i Ned Kim se pag 31 (from 1746 in Ala Kiiminki, page 31)
...
(Note pag 31 is in my ealier message:
Haukipudas , Rippikirja, 1731-1754, MKO1-7
Alakiiminki, 11 Kolehmainen (Picture 18) )

kivinen1
22-06-09, 06:42
Bo!

Now I will really have some to put together. I am now just on the first day of a several week vacation.

I'm in a hotel room in Sacramento, CA and will then be in the Palm Springs area tomorrow, then off to Boston, Mass. on Friday for a week and back to California and eventually another long drive to Vancouver, WA.

You are absolutely great Bo!:) :D :)

Best - Ilmari