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seele01
20-07-09, 20:30
Everyone at the Finlander forum; I am curious, how far back have you traced your Finnish ancestry?

Personally, so far I have traced my ancestry in Finland to Henrich Simonsson, who was born around 1677, and died 8 Jan 1752, on the Nissas farm, Tjusterby, Porvoo, Finland.

So how far have you traced back? I am curious...with all the experienced Finnish genealogists here, I am wondering how far back you all have traced, and how far back it is feasibly possible to go back.

I am looking forward to hearing from all of you!

Later.

cdahlin
20-07-09, 21:12
Most of the church records here in Österbotten goes back to the beginning of the 1700-s, so it should be possible to identify people who died for example in 1710-1720. Their birthdate is then around 1650-1670.

This is how far I have been able to trace my family tree only using Hiski.

If you are a member of some family of more "importance" or royal families (Sursill, Granroth, Calamnius, etc) they can then be traced back much longer. I have seen examples of family trees back to 900-s.

June Pelo
20-07-09, 23:51
I have some examples that go back into the 1400s, but the data came from research by genealogists.

kivinen1
21-07-09, 00:42
June has been the one that forwarded much of my maternal side to me. That goes back to the early 1400s... we're in the same branches. THANKS JUNE! I am forever grateful.

On my paternal side, I've been able to get to ~1500 for my direct Y-DNA paternal line, and this paper trail was recently confirmed with another testee that came up an exact match with my DNA, and all paper trails lead to the same man.

The maternal side of my father and the paternal side of my mother have been quite fun. So far, I've gotten to 1700 for my mother's paternal side, and to 1600 for my father's maternal side.

All of this has been very fun and exciting.

Karen Norwillo
21-07-09, 21:57
I, too, owe my start to June. She opened up a whole new world to me. I found records on my paternal grandfather to 1540 in Utajärvi, Oulu, my paternal grandmother to 1550, my maternal grandmother to 1704 and 1761 in Rekipeldo, Vörå. My maternal grandfather was from Sweden and I have traced his line to 1726 in Söder Nyed, Värmland, Sweden. I have birth, marriage and death images for most of his family, along with household rolls.

Lasse1951
22-07-09, 00:23
On my fathers, fathers, fathers... line ie surname Holm from Borgå / Porvoo I can reach only to about 1640 because the many dissasters happening to Borgå during history. But on most of my Ostrobothnia lines (Bure, Caino, Calamnius, , Sursill, Warg, Wirkkala/Kaustar...) I can reach the middle of the 1400s.
There is also lines that go back beyond 1400 well into 1100 and beyond, but even if many of them has been verified by historians I feel that there is a 80-90/10-20 percent rule that makes me uncertain about at least some of them.
I do show them all in my ancestor chart at www.the-holms.org/lhped.htm so please check them out and start correcting me where I'm on the wrong trail:)

Cheers,

Lasse Holm

kivinen1
22-07-09, 00:54
Lasse,

How was this chart created for your link above?

Is it from a gedcom file and somehow pasted onto the page?

Thanks!

Lasse1951
22-07-09, 05:47
Lasse,

How was this chart created for your link above?

Is it from a gedcom file and somehow pasted onto the page?

Thanks!

Hi,

I use a software called Genealogica Grafica (http://home.versatel.nl/genealogicagrafica/) to create my charts from my gedcom file

Lasse

June Pelo
22-07-09, 20:36
Greetings from the north woods where I am for a few weeks! Thank you for your kind words, Ilmari and Karen. And Lasse, there are many familiar names in your chart, but I don't have access to my records from here. I think my genealogy program also creates a similar chart.

Lasse1951
22-07-09, 21:58
And Lasse, there are many familiar names in your chart, but I don't have access to my records from here.

June, I believe that we have many names in common as we have ancestors in Osthrobotnia. We can check that up after the summer season when we're all back at our computers.

Try to have a nice vacation season,

Cheers,

Lasse

Ayla
23-07-09, 01:28
On my grandmother's side I have gone back to 1340 so far and this is only because I am linked to royalty so I found a lot of info on the net.
I doubt I will be so lucky with my grandfather's side. It's all good fun!

seele01
23-07-09, 20:30
Thank you all for the interesting replies!! I am really jealous! I dont have any nobility in any of my lines, so I doubt ill ever go back farther than the 1500s or so...but it is really cool to see that some people have!

While I doubt I will ever finish my who genealogy, when I get to the point where it is quite complete, I will most likely create a website and chart like Lasse's.

Anyway, I will comment more later, but I got to go to work now. Later everyone!

Tapio Rautio
07-08-09, 22:11
Hello Rob!

I am always very proud of myself if i get to the beginning
of the 1700:s, by looking at the books at:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index.htm



But then there is this Sursill database. My wife has many
connections to Sursill, (i have zero), it goes back to 1495
in Umeå Sweden.

Terveisiä

Tapio Rautio
Jakobstad/Pietarsaari
Finland

Lasse1951
07-08-09, 23:55
Hello Rob!

I am always very proud of myself if i get to the beginning
of the 1700:s, by looking at the books at:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index.htm



But then there is this Sursill database. My wife has many
connections to Sursill, (i have zero), it goes back to 1495
in Umeå Sweden.

Terveisiä

Tapio Rautio
Jakobstad/Pietarsaari
Finland

Hi Tapio and everyone else following this thread,

In 1971 E Kojonen published the Genealogia Sursilliana with the help of the Kone Säätiö. The book has been held as a cornerstone on finnish genealogia, and have got a few published corrections on the genealogia.fi website.
Through the years there has also been many discussions on various forums about missing corrections, mostly on the Yahoo group Pohjalaissuvut.
My question is the same as I call out for on the http://www.sursill.net is there anyone interested in participting in a years long project to take the Sursilliana up to date to at least to the beginning of the 20-century, and include the known corrections? We can do this in the background, and later get a sponsor to be able to publish our work.
I especifically call on all of you abroad with connections to the Sursill family, because there is no way we can handle and research your families without your help.
Of course, we also want all domestic families to participate in this huge project.
Note! The charts in http://www.sursill.net are not nearly all of the Sursillians I know about, they will be updated now and then, when my time permits, and my only ten fingers have the time to input more data. I have the book, and I have all corrections published, but my time is still the restricting factor.
Ideas and volunteers are very Welcome.

You can reach me at lasse*sursill.net

Best Regards to all of you,

Lasse Holm

Denise
08-08-09, 03:36
Hi Lasse,
I'm a 12th cousin, 3 times removed of Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim...do I count? Do you want us to email gedcoms to you?

Best Regards,
Denise

Lasse1951
08-08-09, 11:04
Hi Lasse,
I'm a 12th cousin, 3 times removed of Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim...do I count? Do you want us to email gedcoms to you?

Best Regards,
Denise

Hi Denise,

If you find Erik Angerman-Sursill with wife Dordi in your ancestors, then you belong to the Sursillians, as do CGE Mannerheim.

Gedcom files are Ok, but please contact me before sending anything, so I can check if its info I already have. I have received a lot of files from the US through the years.

Lasse

Denise
08-08-09, 15:05
Hi Lasse,
This is the basic lineage of my ancestry that connects me to Sursill and Mannerheim. I also have another way too that connects to the Sursill family, Beata Arctophilacius, Samuel Wallenius, Maria Gyllenkrok, Helena Westerman, Birgitta Planting, and so on to the Lehto family, and both of these lineages takes many twists and turns so I am finding it difficult where I actually connect!

Best Regards,
Denise

Yhteiset esivanhemmat:
Ebba Jakobsdotter Dufva i Finland, s. 1498, k. 1556


Anna Olofsdotter , k. 1563
Sisarukset
Brita Henriksdotter Bisbit, k. 1592

Erik Bertilsson Slang, k. 14.3.1592
Serkut
Karin Tönnesdotter Wildeman, k. 1628

Katarina Slang, s. 1592 , k. 1663
Pikkuserkut
Gertrud Henriksdotter Creutzhammar, k. 1624

Johan Munck af Fulkila, s. 19.1.1614 Ruotsi, k. 26.5.1663 Turku
Sirpaleserkut eli 3. Serkut
Christer Lydiksson

Elisabet Munck af Fulkila, s. 9.1.1643 Turku, k. 23.2.1699 Vehmaa
4. serkut
Claes Christersson von Jägerhorn, Jägerkiöld, s. 10.11.1632 Uusikirkko Tl, k. 13.12.1691 Dalarö, (Sth), Ruotsi

Charlotta Rehbinder, s. 1681 Vehmaa
5. serkut
Clas Jägerskiöld, s. 5.2.1670 Tukholma, Ruotsi, k. 14.2.1744 Turku

Johanna Charlotta Tyroll, s. 4.5.1714 Piteå, Ruotsi, k. 20.12.1785 Kuru
6. serkut
Karl Johan Jägerskiöld, s. 22.6.1707 Rantasalmi, k. 22.10.1758 Harju

Juliana Charlotta Hillebrand, s. 1.4.1744 Turku, k. 17.10.1802 Virrat
7. serkut
Anna Sofia Jägerskiöld, s. 7.12.1741 Pirkkala, k. 11.6.1793 Virrat

Fredrik Johan Bergström, s. 11.11.1767 Ruovesi, k. 3.10.1798 Ilmajoki
8. serkut
Carl Fredrik Fredriksson von Kothen, s. 3.4.1761 Harju, k. 2.7.1789 Mikkeli

Abraham Fredrikinpoika Bergström, s. 12.10.1792 Virrat, Kiviniemi, k. 18.12.1857 Jalasjärvi
9. serkut
Regina Carlsdotter von Kothen, Harjumäki, s. 14.6.1784 Ruovesi, k. 4.7.1825 Alavus, Sapsalampi, Harjunmäki

Kreetta Juhontytär Harjumäki, Kalin, Ikkala, s. 1.8.1817 Alavus, k. 3.4.1881 Alavus

Matti Abrahaminpoika Ikkala, Kalin, s. 15.6.1855 Alavus, k. 8.1.1888 Amerikka

Anna Kreeta Matintytär Kalin, Hevonkoski, s. 31.5.1884 Alavus, kk Kahra Kalin, k. 3.9.1958 Alavus

Valentin Hevonkoski, s. 1.12.1904 Alavus, k. 13.1.1974 Seinäjoki

Ulla Anna-Liisa Hevonkoski, Perkiö, s. 24.4.1935 Seinäjoki

Heikki Juhani Perkiö, s. 26.2.1958 Riihimäki

Lasse1951
08-08-09, 15:48
Hi Denise,

You mention Birgitta Planting, I have her as Brita (1750-1820) are we speaking about the same person?

You also belong to the Calamnius Family so I'm interested to receive all info you have from Beata Actophilacius to present time. Have a look at the Family website http://www.calamnius.fi

Cheers,

Lasse

Denise
08-08-09, 16:23
Hi Lasse,
I meant to type Henrik Planting and Helena Westerman's daughter Brigitta Planting, b.3.6.1750, m. Anders Heikkinen b.10.12.1747. I received this from a relative who commisioned Jim Kurtti from Suomi College in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and that is what he has. My Calamnius family connects to the Hamdanid dynasty. I have traced that side (and I do not mean to sound pretentious), to God, which was actually very scary to me when I first found I could do that. I wouldn't go near my computer for about a week as somehow I guess I felt I wasn't worthy of finding this ancestry. :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdanid_dynasty

Best Regards,
Denise

P.S. I have sent my gedcom to Hasse, but I don't see it on Talko yet.

kivinen1
08-08-09, 23:39
Hi Denise,

You mention Birgitta Planting, I have her as Brita (1750-1820) are we speaking about the same person?

You also belong to the Calamnius Family so I'm interested to receive all info you have from Beata Actophilacius to present time. Have a look at the Family website http://www.calamnius.fi

Cheers,

Lasse

Lasse,

Is this "Brandt" connected to Bjarne E Brandt from the list I find in your link? In my papers, the name goes to a Bjorn "Arfvela" / Arvela

24. Herman Fredricsson BRANDSTRöM - BRANDT - ILMARINEN: born on 21 Sep 1825

25. Ulrica Jacobsdr MYLLÄRI: born on 23 Jul 1822 Teuva; died on 7 Dec 1873 Jurva, They lived in Järvenpää village of Teuva on the farm Ilmarinen. After being left widower Herman moved to Teuva 1873. Ulrica's father is Jakob Eriksson Mylläri born 26 Mar 1778 Teuva; died on 4 Dec 1856 Teuva. Ulrica's mother is Anna Jakobsdr Mylläri (Hautala) born on 13 Dec 1781 Teuva; died on 13 Sep 1833 Teuva

If so, then it would be another connection.

Is there a way to see the dates / place names of the people on the "family tree" that is linked above?

Lasse1951
09-08-09, 00:31
Lasse,

Is this "Brandt" connected to Bjarne E Brandt from the list I find in your link? In my papers, the name goes to a Bjorn "Arfvela" / Arvela

24. Herman Fredricsson BRANDSTRöM - BRANDT - ILMARINEN: born on 21 Sep 1825

25. Ulrica Jacobsdr MYLLÄRI: born on 23 Jul 1822 Teuva; died on 7 Dec 1873 Jurva, They lived in Järvenpää village of Teuva on the farm Ilmarinen. After being left widower Herman moved to Teuva 1873. Ulrica's father is Jakob Eriksson Mylläri born 26 Mar 1778 Teuva; died on 4 Dec 1856 Teuva. Ulrica's mother is Anna Jakobsdr Mylläri (Hautala) born on 13 Dec 1781 Teuva; died on 13 Sep 1833 Teuva

If so, then it would be another connection.

Is there a way to see the dates / place names of the people on the "family tree" that is linked above?

HI Ilmari,

None of the names that you mention seems to find a match in my database. But if you have a connection to Petrus MIchaelis Arctophilacius or to the Sursill family, please contact me on lasse*the-holms.org

The graphical charts that we show only include names, mostly because of the restrictive privacy laws, and secondly because the tree is so huge that it would be nearly impossible to include more detailed info and then remove the same data from the youngest generations.

You can also find me on Facebook by my official name Lars J W Holm, I'll add you to my friendlist.

Cheers,

Lasse

Lasse1951
09-08-09, 02:08
Hi Lasse,
I meant to type Henrik Planting and Helena Westerman's daughter Brigitta Planting, b.3.6.1750, m. Anders Heikkinen b.10.12.1747. I received this from a relative who commisioned Jim Kurtti from Suomi College in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and that is what he has. My Calamnius family connects to the Hamdanid dynasty. I have traced that side (and I do not mean to sound pretentious), to God, which was actually very scary to me when I first found I could do that. I wouldn't go near my computer for about a week as somehow I guess I felt I wasn't worthy of finding this ancestry. :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdanid_dynasty

Best Regards,
Denise

P.S. I have sent my gedcom to Hasse, but I don't see it on Talko yet.

Denise,

Through what Calamnius linage can you do that? I have Calamnius ancestors that can take me into various royalty familys in europe, but I'm still sceptical on some of the lines, however I show them on my tree.

Could you send me your gedcom file so that we can merge the data into the Calamnius tree, because we would like to have an as up to date as possible database of all Calmnius descendants when we have the Calamnius Family Association 60th anniversary meeting in Helsinki July 9-11 in 2010.

All with roots in the Calamnius Family are wellcome, but you need to be members in our Association, find info on how on our website http://www.calamnius.fi

Cheers,

Lasse Holm

Kaarina
09-08-09, 10:35
This is from my ancestors Kurki to Mannerheim. Is there any other that has Kurki. Has other links to Mannerheim.

Kurki to Mannerheim

Ancestor path 1 / 4

Table _______
I
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs, d. 27.1.1951 Lausanne, Sveitsi

Table _______
II
Carl Robert Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 1.2.1835 Viipuri, d. 9.10.1914 Helsinki
Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä, d. 23.1.1881 Sallvik, Pohjan pitäjä
Children:
1. Ewa Charlotta Sophie Mannerheim, b. 21.12.1863 Helsinki
2. Carl Erik Johan Mannerheim, b. 17.3.1865 Willnäs
3. Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs
4. Carl Fridolf Johan Mannerheim, b. 27.12.1868 Åbo
5. Eva Hedvig Wilhelmina Johanna Mannerheim, b. 30.6.1870 Willnäs
6. Nanny Albertina Anna Helena Mannerheim, b. 4.3.1872
7. Carl August Ludvig Mannerheim, b. 9.11.1873 Willnäs

Table _______
III
Carl Gustaf Carl Eriksson Mannerheim, b. 10.8.1797 Tenhola, d. 9.10.1854 Tukholma
Eva Wihelmina Carlsdotter von Schantz, Mannerheim, b. 2.9.1810 Noormarkku, Pori, d. 19.5.1895
Children:
1. Sophia Augusta Carl Gustafsdotter Mannerheim, b. 10.8.1833 Vaasa
2. Carl Robert Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 1.2.1835 Viipuri
3. Ewa Carolina Wilhelmina Carl Gustafsdotter Mannerheim, b. 17.12.1836 Viipuri
4. Anna Maria Carl Gustafsdotter Mannerheim, b. 18.6.1840 Viipuri
5. Lars August Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 16.7.1843 Viipuri
6. Gustaf Johan Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 27.10.1846 Viipuri

Table _______
IV
Wendla Sophia Ernstdotter von Willebrand, b. 6.5.1779 Jokioinen, d. 29.10.1863 Raisio
Carl Erik Johansson Mannerheim, b. 14.12.1759 Säters socken, Kopparbergslän,Ruotsi, d. 15.1.1837 Turku
Children:
1. Carl Gustaf Carl Eriksson Mannerheim, b. 10.8.1797 Tenhola
2. August Ernst Carl Eriksson Mannerheim, b. 23.8.1799 Askainen
3. Gustava Maria Sophia ( Minette) Carl Eriksdotter Mannerheim, b. 30.4.1801 Askainen
4. August Eric Carl Eriksson Mannerheim, b. 16.10.1805 Turku
5. Eva Wilhelmina Charlotta Carl Eriksdotter Mannerheim, b. 11.2.1808 Turku
6. Johan Fridolf Carl Eriksson Mannerheim, b. 24.6.1809 Askainen

Table _______
V
Ernestus( Ernst ) Gustavus Ernst Gustafsson von Willebrand, b. 19.8.1751 Frögdböle, Karuna, d. 25.6.1809 Turku
Wendla Gustava von Wright, b. 11.11.1755 Tammela, d. 14.5.1820 Turku
Children:
1. Wendla Sophia Ernstdotter von Willebrand, b. 6.5.1779 Jokioinen
2. Eva Gustava Ernstsdotter von Willebrand, b. 19.2.1781 Jokioinen, Jockis herregård
3. Wilhelmina Albertina Ernstdotter von Willebrand, b. 17.5.1782 Jokioinen
4. Ernest Freidric Ernestsson von Willebrand, b. 9.8.1787 Tammela
5. Johan Reinhold Ernestsson von Willebrand, b. 2.6.1789 Tammela

Table _______
VI
Sophia Catharina Johan Andersdotter Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 24.9.1727 Sommarnäs, Kopila, d. 18.11.1791 Turku
Ernst Gustaf von Willebrand, b. 1726 VehmaaTurku Pori, d. 6.10.1794 Turku
Children:
1. Ernestus( Ernst ) Gustavus Ernst Gustafsson von Willebrand, b. 19.8.1751 Frögdböle, Karuna
2. Barbro Helena von Willebrand, b. 15.3.1753 Karuna Frågdböle

Table _______
VII
Johan Anders Johansson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1681 , d. 29.3.1751 Somerniemi
Barbro Juliana von der Pahlen, b. 28.3.1693 , d. 12.2.1769 Jokioinen
Children:
1. Reinhold Johan Johan Andersson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 17.5.1716
2. Fredrik Anders Johan Andersson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1723
3. Sophia Catharina Johan Andersdotter Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 24.9.1727 Sommarnäs, Kopila

Table _______
VIII
Johan Johansson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 28.2.1643 , d. 4.1.1712 Sommernäs ( Somero )
Christina Andersdotter Munck af Sommernäs, d. 16.8.1698 Paimio
Children:
1. Johan Anders Johansson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1681
2. Hans Christer Johansson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1687 Sommarnäs

Table _______
IX
Johan Henriksson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1602 , d. 16.4.1643 Rendsborg, Holstein, Germany
Hebla Clasdotter Gyllehierta, d. 1689 Paimio
Children:
1. Johan Johansson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 28.2.1643

Table _______
X
Elisabeth Bertilsdotter Ljuster, b. 1570 Spurila, d. 1625
Henrik Claesson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1568 Spurila, d. 1625
Children:
1. Johan Henriksson Jägerhorn af Spurila, b. 1602

Table _______
XI
Margareta Henriksdotter Gröp, b. 1540
Bertil Eriksson Ljuster, d. 1598
Children:
1. Erik Bertilsson Ljuster
2. Elisabeth Bertilsdotter Ljuster, b. 1570 Spurila

Table _______
XII
Elin Eriksdotter Fleming, d. 1557
Henrik Gröp / Kröpelin, b. 1519
Children:
1. Margareta Henriksdotter Gröp, b. 1540

Table _______
XIII
Erik Hermansson Fleming, b. 1490 , d. 1537
Anna Engelbrechtsdotter till Isnäs, b. 1490
Children:
1. Per Eriksson Fleming, b. 1520
2. Elin Eriksdotter Fleming
3. Margareta Eriksdotter Fleming

Table _______
XIV
Herman Magnusson Fleming, b. 1440 Villnäs ( Askainen ), d. 1490
Elin Filpusdotter , b. 1440
Children:
1. Margareta Hermansdotter Fleming, b. 1460
2. Per Hermansson Fleming, b. 1480 Villnäs (Askainen)
3. Erik Hermansson Fleming, b. 1490

Table _______
XV
Elin Nilsdotter Kurki, b. 1400
Magnus Clausson Fleming, b. 1400 Villnäs ( Askainen ), d. 1450
Children:
1. Karin ( Margareta ) Magnusdotter Fleming, b. 1430
2. Ingeborg Magnusdotter Fleming, b. 1430
3. Herman Magnusson Fleming, b. 1440 Villnäs ( Askainen )

Table _______
XVI
Nils Hermansson Kurki till Vilnäs, d. 18.5.1428
Cecilia Filippusdotter Folkunga, b. 1375 , d. 1435
Children:
1. Elin Nilsdotter Kurki, b. 1400

Table _______
XVII
Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70
Herman Svärd, b. 1360-70 kotoisin ilmeisesti Ruotsista (Tånga, Uppland?) (el. av tysk börd till Finland )
Children:
1. Peder "gamble Peder Swerdh" Hermansson Svärd till Kräppelby och Haga i Bårgå
2. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
3. Nils Hermansson Kurki till Vilnäs
4. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd

Table _______
XVIII
N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40
Jacob Kurki, b. 1330-40
Children:
1. Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70

Table _______
XIX
Jacob Andrissanpoika , b. 1300-10
N.N. , b. 1300-10
Children:
1. N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40


Kurki to Mannerheim

Ancestor path 2 / 4

Table _______
I
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs, d. 27.1.1951 Lausanne, Sveitsi

Table _______
II
Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä, d. 23.1.1881 Sallvik, Pohjan pitäjä
Carl Robert Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 1.2.1835 Viipuri, d. 9.10.1914 Helsinki
Children:
1. Ewa Charlotta Sophie Mannerheim, b. 21.12.1863 Helsinki
2. Carl Erik Johan Mannerheim, b. 17.3.1865 Willnäs
3. Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs
4. Carl Fridolf Johan Mannerheim, b. 27.12.1868 Åbo
5. Eva Hedvig Wilhelmina Johanna Mannerheim, b. 30.6.1870 Willnäs
6. Nanny Albertina Anna Helena Mannerheim, b. 4.3.1872
7. Carl August Ludvig Mannerheim, b. 9.11.1873 Willnäs

Table _______
III
Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito, d. 19.7.1884 Pohjan pitäjä
Johan Jacob Johansson von Julin, b. 5.8.1787 Oulu, d. 11.3.1853 Hki:ssä matkalla, haud. Pohjan pitäjä
Children:
1. Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä

Table _______
IV
Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa, d. 13.12.1870 Turku
Christer Ludvig Jägerskiöld, b. 8.11.1784 Brussel, Belgium, d. 17.8.1856 St. Petersburg
Children:
1. Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito

Table _______
V
Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758 , d. 6.5.1824 Helsinki
Johan Reinhold Taube, b. 27.4.1747 , d. 23.12.1794
Children:
1. Johanna Fredrika Lovisa Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 13.11.1779 Tenhola
2. Johan Reinhold Johan Reinholdsson Taube, b. 15.10.1785
3. Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa

Table _______
VI
Lorentz Johan Giös, b. 1710 Stockholm, d. 1774
Johanna Charlotta Carlsdotter Posse, b. 26.10.1729 Grerbacke, Skaraborgslän, d. 30.5.1810 Stockholm
Children:
1. Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758

Table _______
VII
Carl Gustaf Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1676 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 27.2.1719
Sofia Elisabeth Klingspoor, b. 22.4.1686 Stockholm, d. 1747
Children:
1. Lorentz Johan Giös, b. 1710 Stockholm

Table _______
VIII
Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1647 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 7.4.1697 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.
Sofia Gustafsdotter Ille, b. 1641 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 1706
Children:
1. Sofia Johansdotter Giös, b. 1674
2. Carl Gustaf Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1676 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.

Table _______
IX
Ingeborg Hieronymusdotter Birckholtz, b. 1621 Ylänne, d. 1674 Pohja
Johan Giös, b. 1614 Pohja, d. 1.9.1674 Pohja
Children:
1. Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1647 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.

Table _______
X
Hebla Månsdotter Ållongren i Finland, b. 1596
Hieronyms Hieronymysson Birckholtz, b. 1595 , d. 1639
Children:
1. Ingeborg Hieronymusdotter Birckholtz, b. 1621 Ylänne

Table _______
XI
Ingeborg Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1560 , d. 1606
Måns Nilsson Ållongren i Finland, b. 1570 , d. 1618
Children:
1. Johan Månsson Ållongren, b. 1590
2. Hebla Månsdotter Ållongren i Finland, b. 1596

Table _______
XII
Märta Stensdotter Ille, b. 1518 , d. 1582
Gustaf Gödiksson Fincke, b. 1510 , d. 1566
Children:
1. Elisabeth Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1558 Porkhala
2. Ingeborg Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1560
3. Sten Gustafsson Fincke

Table _______
XIII
Anna Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1490
Sten Jacobsson Ille, b. 1470
Children:
1. Märta Stensdotter Ille, b. 1518

Table _______
XIV
Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti, d. 1532
Knut Eriksson Näs ( Kurck ), b. 1460 Småland, Näs, Jönköping, d. 1539
Children:
1. Anna Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1490
2. Christina Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1494 Lauko, Pori
3. Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1503 Laukko i Vesilax
4. Jacob Knutsson Kurck
5. Birgitta Knutsdotter Kurck

Table _______
XV
Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti, d. 1478
Elin Jönsdotter Stenbock
Children:
1. Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti
2. Arvid Klausson Kurki, b. 1465

Table _______
XVI
Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400
Carin Clausdotter Djäkn, b. 1407 Turku, d. 1480
Children:
1. Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti
2. Birgitta Jacobsdotter Kurki, b. 1430

Table _______
XVII
Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
N.N.
Children:
1. Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400

Table _______
XVIII
Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70
Herman Svärd, b. 1360-70 kotoisin ilmeisesti Ruotsista (Tånga, Uppland?) (el. av tysk börd till Finland )
Children:
1. Peder "gamble Peder Swerdh" Hermansson Svärd till Kräppelby och Haga i Bårgå
2. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
3. Nils Hermansson Kurki till Vilnäs
4. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd

Table _______
XIX
N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40
Jacob Kurki, b. 1330-40
Children:
1. Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70

Table _______
XX
Jacob Andrissanpoika , b. 1300-10
N.N. , b. 1300-10
Children:
1. N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40


Kurki to Mannerheim

Ancestor path 3 / 4

Table _______
I
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs, d. 27.1.1951 Lausanne, Sveitsi

Table _______
II
Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä, d. 23.1.1881 Sallvik, Pohjan pitäjä
Carl Robert Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 1.2.1835 Viipuri, d. 9.10.1914 Helsinki
Children:
1. Ewa Charlotta Sophie Mannerheim, b. 21.12.1863 Helsinki
2. Carl Erik Johan Mannerheim, b. 17.3.1865 Willnäs
3. Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs
4. Carl Fridolf Johan Mannerheim, b. 27.12.1868 Åbo
5. Eva Hedvig Wilhelmina Johanna Mannerheim, b. 30.6.1870 Willnäs
6. Nanny Albertina Anna Helena Mannerheim, b. 4.3.1872
7. Carl August Ludvig Mannerheim, b. 9.11.1873 Willnäs

Table _______
III
Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito, d. 19.7.1884 Pohjan pitäjä
Johan Jacob Johansson von Julin, b. 5.8.1787 Oulu, d. 11.3.1853 Hki:ssä matkalla, haud. Pohjan pitäjä
Children:
1. Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä

Table _______
IV
Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa, d. 13.12.1870 Turku
Christer Ludvig Jägerskiöld, b. 8.11.1784 Brussel, Belgium, d. 17.8.1856 St. Petersburg
Children:
1. Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito

Table _______
V
Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758 , d. 6.5.1824 Helsinki
Johan Reinhold Taube, b. 27.4.1747 , d. 23.12.1794
Children:
1. Johanna Fredrika Lovisa Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 13.11.1779 Tenhola
2. Johan Reinhold Johan Reinholdsson Taube, b. 15.10.1785
3. Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa

Table _______
VI
Lorentz Johan Giös, b. 1710 Stockholm, d. 1774
Johanna Charlotta Carlsdotter Posse, b. 26.10.1729 Grerbacke, Skaraborgslän, d. 30.5.1810 Stockholm
Children:
1. Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758

Table _______
VII
Carl Gustaf Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1676 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 27.2.1719
Sofia Elisabeth Klingspoor, b. 22.4.1686 Stockholm, d. 1747
Children:
1. Lorentz Johan Giös, b. 1710 Stockholm

Table _______
VIII
Sofia Gustafsdotter Ille, b. 1641 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 1706
Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1647 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl., d. 7.4.1697 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.
Children:
1. Sofia Johansdotter Giös, b. 1674
2. Carl Gustaf Johan Johansson Giös, b. 1676 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.

Table _______
IX
Gustaf Månsson Ille till Prästkulla, b. 1614 , d. 23.4.1670 Tenala, Prästkulla
Anna Hansdotter Boije af Gennäs, b. 1612 Gennarby Finl.
Children:
1. Sofia Gustafsdotter Ille, b. 1641 Tenala, Prästkulla Finl.

Table _______
X
Måns Abrahamsson Ille till Prästkulla, b. 1590 Arnas Finland, d. 1615 Narva, Tallinna
Hebla Eriksdotter Slang, b. 1590 , d. 1640
Children:
1. Gustaf Månsson Ille till Prästkulla, b. 1614

Table _______
XI
Elisabeth Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1558 Porkhala, d. 1636 Sjölaks i Kimito sn
Abraham Månsson Ille till Prästkulla, d. 1590
Children:
1. Måns Abrahamsson Ille till Prästkulla, b. 1590 Arnas Finland
2. Metta ( Märta ) Abrahamsdotter Ille till Prästkulla

Table _______
XII
Märta Stensdotter Ille, b. 1518 , d. 1582
Gustaf Gödiksson Fincke, b. 1510 , d. 1566
Children:
1. Elisabeth Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1558 Porkhala
2. Ingeborg Gustafsdotter Fincke, b. 1560
3. Sten Gustafsson Fincke

Table _______
XIII
Anna Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1490
Sten Jacobsson Ille, b. 1470
Children:
1. Märta Stensdotter Ille, b. 1518

Table _______
XIV
Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti, d. 1532
Knut Eriksson Näs ( Kurck ), b. 1460 Småland, Näs, Jönköping, d. 1539
Children:
1. Anna Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1490
2. Christina Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1494 Lauko, Pori
3. Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1503 Laukko i Vesilax
4. Jacob Knutsson Kurck
5. Birgitta Knutsdotter Kurck

Table _______
XV
Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti, d. 1478
Elin Jönsdotter Stenbock
Children:
1. Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti
2. Arvid Klausson Kurki, b. 1465

Table _______
XVI
Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400
Carin Clausdotter Djäkn, b. 1407 Turku, d. 1480
Children:
1. Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti
2. Birgitta Jacobsdotter Kurki, b. 1430

Table _______
XVII
Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
N.N.
Children:
1. Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400

Table _______
XVIII
Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70
Herman Svärd, b. 1360-70 kotoisin ilmeisesti Ruotsista (Tånga, Uppland?) (el. av tysk börd till Finland )
Children:
1. Peder "gamble Peder Swerdh" Hermansson Svärd till Kräppelby och Haga i Bårgå
2. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
3. Nils Hermansson Kurki till Vilnäs
4. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd

Table _______
XIX
N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40
Jacob Kurki, b. 1330-40
Children:
1. Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70

Table _______
XX
Jacob Andrissanpoika , b. 1300-10
N.N. , b. 1300-10
Children:
1. N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40


Kurki to Mannerheim

Ancestor path 4 / 4

Table _______
I
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs, d. 27.1.1951 Lausanne, Sveitsi

Table _______
II
Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä, d. 23.1.1881 Sallvik, Pohjan pitäjä
Carl Robert Carl Gustafsson Mannerheim, b. 1.2.1835 Viipuri, d. 9.10.1914 Helsinki
Children:
1. Ewa Charlotta Sophie Mannerheim, b. 21.12.1863 Helsinki
2. Carl Erik Johan Mannerheim, b. 17.3.1865 Willnäs
3. Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, b. 4.6.1867 Louhisaaren kartano, Willnäs
4. Carl Fridolf Johan Mannerheim, b. 27.12.1868 Åbo
5. Eva Hedvig Wilhelmina Johanna Mannerheim, b. 30.6.1870 Willnäs
6. Nanny Albertina Anna Helena Mannerheim, b. 4.3.1872
7. Carl August Ludvig Mannerheim, b. 9.11.1873 Willnäs

Table _______
III
Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito, d. 19.7.1884 Pohjan pitäjä
Johan Jacob Johansson von Julin, b. 5.8.1787 Oulu, d. 11.3.1853 Hki:ssä matkalla, haud. Pohjan pitäjä
Children:
1. Hedvig Charlotta Helena Johan Jakobsdotter von Julin, Mannerheim, b. 25.3.1842 Fiskars, Pohjan pitäjä

Table _______
IV
Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa, d. 13.12.1870 Turku
Christer Ludvig Jägerskiöld, b. 8.11.1784 Brussel, Belgium, d. 17.8.1856 St. Petersburg
Children:
1. Charlotta Johanna Ottiliana Jägerskiöld, b. 20.3.1814 Sjölaks, Kimito

Table _______
V
Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758 , d. 6.5.1824 Helsinki
Johan Reinhold Taube, b. 27.4.1747 , d. 23.12.1794
Children:
1. Johanna Fredrika Lovisa Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 13.11.1779 Tenhola
2. Johan Reinhold Johan Reinholdsson Taube, b. 15.10.1785
3. Hedvig Gustava Christina Johan Reinholdsdotter Taube, b. 12.11.1790 Prästkulla, Uusimaa

Table _______
VI
Johanna Charlotta Carlsdotter Posse, b. 26.10.1729 Grerbacke, Skaraborgslän, d. 30.5.1810 Stockholm
Lorentz Johan Giös, b. 1710 Stockholm, d. 1774
Children:
1. Fredrika Lovisa Sophia Lorentzsdotter Giös, b. 6.7.1758

Table _______
VII
Carl Knutsson Posse, b. 11.6.1687 , d. 13.8.1737
Christina Margareta Eleonora Johansdotter Lillienstedt, b. 23.10.1700 , d. 19.8.1784 Kummelnäs
Children:
1. Ulrica Eleonora Carlsdotter Posse, b. 9.7.1718
2. Knut Carlsson Posse, b. 18.8.1719 Stockholm
3. Carl Carlsson Posse, b. 1720
4. Fredrik Carlsson Posse, b. 29.9.1722 Stralsund
5. Göran Carlsson Posse, b. 31.12.1723 Stralsund
6. Christina Margareta Eleonora Carlsdotter Posse, b. 13.6.1725
7. Johanna Charlotta Carlsdotter Posse, b. 26.10.1729 Grerbacke, Skaraborgslän

Table _______
VIII
Anna Christina Arvidsdotter Natt och Dag, b. 1665 , d. 27.12.1747 Stockholm
Knut Göransson Posse, b. 1640 Tisslegård, Sverige, d. 7.8.1714
Children:
1. Carl Knutsson Posse, b. 11.6.1687

Table _______
IX
Märta Jönsdotter Kurck, b. 4.9.1636 Tavastehus, d. 27.8.1698 Stockholm
Arvid Ivarsson Natt och Dag, b. 1.5.1633 Stockholm, d. 31.1.1683 Stockholm
Children:
1. Anna Christina Arvidsdotter Natt och Dag, b. 1665

Table _______
X
Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1590 Laukaa, Finland, d. 21.5.1652 Åbo
Sofia Johansdotter de la Gardie, b. 8.5.1615 Åbo slott, d. 1.10.1647 Stockholm
Children:
4. Märta Jönsdotter Kurck, b. 4.9.1636 Tavastehus

Table _______
XI
Knut Jönsson Kurck, b. 1541 , d. 1598
Brita Bengtsdotter Gylta, b. 5.3.1560 Hedensö i Näshulta sn, Sörmland, d. 1646
Children:
1. Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1590 Laukaa, Finland

Table _______
XII
Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1503 Laukko i Vesilax, d. 1577
Ingeborg Tönnesdotter Tott ( av Skedebo ), b. 1515 , d. 1584
Children:
1. Knut Jönsson Kurck, b. 1541
2. Elin Jönsdotter Kurck, b. 1543 Laukaa

Table _______
XIII
Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti, d. 1532
Knut Eriksson Näs ( Kurck ), b. 1460 Småland, Näs, Jönköping, d. 1539
Children:
1. Anna Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1490
2. Christina Knutsdotter Kurck, b. 1494 Lauko, Pori
3. Jöns Knutsson Kurck, b. 1503 Laukko i Vesilax
4. Jacob Knutsson Kurck
5. Birgitta Knutsdotter Kurck

Table _______
XIV
Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti, d. 1478
Elin Jönsdotter Stenbock
Children:
1. Elin Klasdotter Kurki, b. 1460 Vesilahti
2. Arvid Klausson Kurki, b. 1465

Table _______
XV
Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400
Carin Clausdotter Djäkn, b. 1407 Turku, d. 1480
Children:
1. Klaus Jacobsson Kurki, b. 1425 Vesilahti
2. Birgitta Jacobsdotter Kurki, b. 1430

Table _______
XVI
Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
N.N.
Children:
1. Jacob "Jeppe" Kurki, b. 1400

Table _______
XVII
Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70
Herman Svärd, b. 1360-70 kotoisin ilmeisesti Ruotsista (Tånga, Uppland?) (el. av tysk börd till Finland )
Children:
1. Peder "gamble Peder Swerdh" Hermansson Svärd till Kräppelby och Haga i Bårgå
2. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd, Kurki, b. 1380
3. Nils Hermansson Kurki till Vilnäs
4. Tytär Hermansdotter Svärd

Table _______
XVIII
N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40
Jacob Kurki, b. 1330-40
Children:
1. Tytär Jacobsdotter , b. 1360-70

Table _______
XIX
Jacob Andrissanpoika , b. 1300-10
N.N. , b. 1300-10
Children:
1. N.N. Jacobsdotter , b. 1330-40

Tapio Rautio
11-08-09, 23:55
Hello Lasse and all Sursillians!

Earlyer today we had a wonderful update of the churchrecords
in Kuopion msrk, at:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index.htm

I can´t thank those scanning voulontairs enogh!

I had a lot of controlling to do in the Räsälä farms over there.

There were many Påhl Räsänens in Kuopion msrk, and of course
i had made a mistake in one of my ancestors.

(This is the wrong one, hiski Kuopion msrk:
12.12.1778 25.12.1778 Räsälä B. Påhl Räsäin Maria Foudil. Påhl)

From the update i can see the right parents are:
16.6.1775 16.7.1775 Räsälä B. Påhl Räsäin Anna Hoffreen Paulus, nd

Marriage, hiski Kuopion msrk:
25.3.1770 Räsälä D D Påhl Räsäinen Bdr.P. Anna Sam Hoffreen Toivala

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kuopio/rippikirja_1782-1788_msrk_tk1625-1626/437.htm

(Anna Hoffrén 1750 Pål Persson Räsänen 1750)


If Anna Hoffréns father was Hoffren Samuel Henriksson 1712-17.07.1786,
i might be a Sursill too?

Anna Hoffrén is my mmmmffm

Confused...


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
12-08-09, 00:14
Kaarina,

i have Taube Christopher Reinhold
21.09.1715 Lammi-01.10.1795 Hartola

and

Lampeel Elsa Margaretha
1717-03.11.1770 married 02.10.1739 Lammi

as my ancestors.


Tapio

Margaret Kelley
29-01-10, 15:42
I have church records from rovaniemi from 1700 for the Ruicka (Ruikka/Alaruikka) family. The writing is difficult to read, but think the first name is Peers. Also have a Brita Rautio, b, 1721 married 1738 to Olof Mattsson Ruicka in Rovaniemi (Jaatila). There are no dates on the first records, and I would like to find earlier records and the origin of the name.

Margaret

Denise
29-01-10, 19:51
Hi Margaret,
I have a line of Ruikka and a bit of Rautio on Talko from Rovaniemi. Most of the Rautio's I have are from Kemi, Kuivakangas, Vittangi, Saittajärvi, Kaungi and Kolari. If you don't have access to Talko, private message me your email address as they are RTF files which I do not think I can post as attachments. Unsure if they will prove to be helpful to you.

Tapio Rautio
30-01-10, 16:31
Hello Margaret and Denise!

My brother-in-law has his roots in Ruikka.

Go to:
http://www.sukujutut.fi/

Choose the box "Sukuraitti"

Choose the box 13, for Reijo Kiviniemis database

Choose the box "Etsi", meaning search, (the opening is sometimes slow.)

Etunimi=First Name, type Pe
Sukunimi=Last Name type Rui

Choose etsi for search.

There is Pekka Ollisson Ruikka former Niironen aka Frantti 20.3.1658-3.4.1743
Kaisa Niilosdaughter Ruikka 16.2.1654-16.7.1740


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
30-01-10, 16:38
Denise, i looked at Your Ruikkas first after sending
the message before, impressive!

:)


Tapio

Kaarina
30-01-10, 20:01
Kaarina,

i have Taube Christopher Reinhold
21.09.1715 Lammi-01.10.1795 Hartola

and

Lampeel Elsa Margaretha
1717-03.11.1770 married 02.10.1739 Lammi

as my ancestors.


Tapio

excuse my late reply. but my gggggm Clara Isacsdr. Astren b. 1737 - Arvid Joakim Taube b. 1777 - father of Christopher Reinhold Taube was 12. cousins.

Kaarina

Margaret Kelley
30-01-10, 22:03
Tapio Rautio's site suggestion was great. I found some of the same ruikkas I have in my genealogy base, though I have followed the Matts.b. 1746 and Johan, b. 1748, sons of Olof, b. 1738 and Brita Rautio, b. 1721...and eventually end of with my grandparents, Olli , b. 1840 and Maria Kustaava, b. 1857, Olli descended from the aforementioned Johan and Maria from the brother, Matts.

What does "former Niironen"aka Frantii mean? That the name Ruikka was formerly Niironen or Frantii?

I have a copy of an original church rippikirja of 1700 that looks as if the name is Peers and later that the name of the son is Matts Pehrsson. The HisKi I have has a Peer Ruicka, d. 3.4.1743, so guess it is the same one. I don't have any "personal" records like family bibles, diaries, passports, pictures much before the early 1900s. If Pekki was Olli's son. Does anyone have info on that Olli?

I also downloaded the church tillit records that go back to early 1700s. Is this a record of tithing?

i have been using the google translator, which is pretty good. But it is so easy to make mistakes!

Thanks for your really helpful info.

Margaret Ruikka Kelley

Tapio Rautio
31-01-10, 10:34
Hi Margaret!

I think You can email Reijo direct about Ruikka,
he is a very nice man, i´ve had some correspondence
with him in the past. :)

kiviniemi.reijo*gmail.com



Tapio

Tapio Rautio
31-01-10, 10:45
Hi Kaarina!

I read somewhere that all Taubes are related. Here is
the swedish actor Sven-Bertil Taube, who had an international
filmcarreer in the seventies, puppet on a chain and eagle has landed etc.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0851422/

:)


Tapio

Kaarina
31-01-10, 16:14
Hi Kaarina!

I read somewhere that all Taubes are related. Here is
the swedish actor Sven-Bertil Taube, who had an international
filmcarreer in the seventies, puppet on a chain and eagle has landed etc.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0851422/

:)


Tapio

Yes. I have Sven-Bertil in my lists. Sven-Bertil Taube ggggfather was Christopher Reinhold Taube 1715-

JenniferRipley
01-02-10, 21:57
If you can get past the 1580s, please let me know how.
I can (almost) read the digital records but isn't a person extremely lucky to get past that date in Finland?
Jennifer Ripley