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Karinapierce
04-08-09, 17:31
I am seeking information in regard to Matts Martensson born March 3, 1800 on the farm of Mattback in the Esse region. He was married to Sara Johnsdotter Kanckos (Kanckus?) Novemeber 22, 1922. His second marriage was to Lisa Andersdotter Hatt, they were married November 23, 1924. Both occured on the farm/village of Mattback in the Esse region. Now this all good until I try to research the children of them and come to a complete dead end, literally. The Hiski Project doesn't have records after 1825, and all of the children were born 1828 or later. So I cannot really move forward in my searches until I know how to find these records. Oh by the way I know this information based on what a cousin of my grandmothers gathered in 1983 and I am now revisiting the information and fill in the blanks so to speak because all he provided was names and dates (in years, not specific month and day). I have traced my parts of the family because of the farm/village of Mattback (mattbeck?). So if anyone can offer advise on how to move forward with my search it would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time and attention!

Karina pierce

kivinen1
04-08-09, 23:35
Karina,

Will you please tell us the correct years for the above posting.

You seem to have gone back and forth between the early 19th century and the early 20th century.

Kaarina
05-08-09, 00:21
Matts Mårtenson´s family from Talko databas

Generation: 1

Matts Mårtensson MATTBäCK b. 28 MAR 1800, Esse Ytteresse; c. 30 MAR 1800; d. 14 AUG 1857.

Matts m. Sara Johansdotter KANCKOS 21 NOV 1822, Esse. Sara (daughter of Johan Andersson KANCKOS and Maria Christersdotter) b. 20 JAN 1799; d. 13 FEB 1822. [Group Sheet]

Matts m. Lisa Andersdotter HATT 23 NOV 1824, Esse. Lisa (daughter of Anders Mattsson FORSBACKA and Greta Johansdotter HATT) b. 19 DEC 1802, Esse Lappfors; c. 24 DEC 1802; d. 25 DEC 1859, Esse; bur. 06 JAN 1860. [Group Sheet]

Children:

2. Greta Lisa Mattsdr MATTBäCK b. 20 JAN 1828, Esse Ytteresse; c. 20 JAN 1828.
3. Anders Mattsson MATTBäCK b. 29 JUL 1830, Esse Ytteresse; c. 01 AUG 1830; d. 1830.
4. Anders Mattsson MATTBäCK b. 16 FEB 1832, Esse Ytteresse; c. 17 FEB 1832.
5. Anna Mattsdotter MATTBäCK b. 30 JAN 1833, Esse Ytteresse; c. 31 JAN 1833; d. 12 APR 1833.
6. Matts Mattsson MATTBäCK b. 15 AUG 1836, Esse Ytteresse; c. 16 AUG 1836; d. 05 NOV 1917.
7. Erik Mattsson MATTBäCK b. 12 AUG 1838, Esse Ytteresse; c. 13 AUG 1838; d. 1839.
8. Anna Mattsdotter MATTBäCK b. 06 MAY 1840, Esse Ytteresse; c. 10 MAY 1840.
9. Maria Mattsdotter MATTBäCK b. 02 MAR 1842, Esse Ytteresse; c. 06 MAR 1842.
10. Johan Mattsson MATTBäCK b. 08 DEC 1843, Esse Ytteresse; c. 09 DEC 1843.


Generation: 2

Greta Lisa Mattsdr MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 20 JAN 1828, Esse Ytteresse; c. 20 JAN 1828.


Anders Mattsson MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 29 JUL 1830, Esse Ytteresse; c. 01 AUG 1830; d. 1830.


Anders Mattsson MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 16 FEB 1832, Esse Ytteresse; c. 17 FEB 1832.

Anders m. Anna Lisa Hansdr STORKUNG 30 JUN 1857, Esse. Anna (daughter of Hans Johan Nathanaelsson STORKUNG and Anna Caisa Johansdr RåDMANS) b. 09 AUG 1838, Esse Överesse; c. 12 AUG 1838; d. 10 NOV 1866. [Group Sheet]

Children:

11. Anders Andersson MATTBäCK b. 03 DEC 1862, Esse Ytteresse; c. 04 DEC 1862.


Anna Mattsdotter MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 30 JAN 1833, Esse Ytteresse; c. 31 JAN 1833; d. 12 APR 1833.


Matts Mattsson MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 15 AUG 1836, Esse Ytteresse; c. 16 AUG 1836; d. 05 NOV 1917.

Matts m. Maria Lovisa Jakobsdr STORKåLL 05 APR 1858, Esse. Maria (daughter of Jakob Johansson STORKåLL and Maria Andersdotter STRANG) b. 07 SEP 1838, Pedersöre Kållby; c. 09 SEP 1838; d. 21 JUN 1867. [Group Sheet]


Erik Mattsson MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 12 AUG 1838, Esse Ytteresse; c. 13 AUG 1838; d. 1839.


Anna Mattsdotter MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 06 MAY 1840, Esse Ytteresse; c. 10 MAY 1840.

Anna m. Johan Jakobsson STUBB 14 OCT 1860, Esse. Johan (son of Jakob Jakobsson STUBB and Caisa Lisa Jakobsdr HöGLUND) b. 01 JUL 1838. [Group Sheet]

Children:

12. Anders Johansson STUBB b. 23 MAR 1861, Esse Överesse; c. 24 MAR 1861.
13. Jakob Johansson STUBB b. 17 OCT 1863.
14. Anna Lisa Johansdr STUBB b. 16 MAR 1865.


Maria Mattsdotter MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 02 MAR 1842, Esse Ytteresse; c. 06 MAR 1842.


Johan Mattsson MATTBäCK (1.Matts1) b. 08 DEC 1843, Esse Ytteresse; c. 09 DEC 1843.


Generation: 3

Anders Andersson MATTBäCK (4.Anders2, 1.Matts1) b. 03 DEC 1862, Esse Ytteresse; c. 04 DEC 1862.


Anders Johansson STUBB (8.Anna2, 1.Matts1) b. 23 MAR 1861, Esse Överesse; c. 24 MAR 1861.


Jakob Johansson STUBB (8.Anna2, 1.Matts1) b. 17 OCT 1863.


Anna Lisa Johansdr STUBB (8.Anna2, 1.Matts1) b. 16 MAR 1865.

Kaarina
05-08-09, 10:15
Sara Johansdotter Kanckos 20.1.1799 ancestors were Carin Påhlsdotter Kankkonen b. 1675 Evijärvi.
Carin was Daniel Mattson Stubb second wife born about 1660
Carin Påhlsdotter Kankkonen ancestors were also Clemet Kankkonen related to my ancestors also.
Here, we had no relationship, but it came pretty close.
Sara died quite young, only 24 years old.

Kaarina

Kaarina
05-08-09, 10:40
Sara Johansdotter Kanckos 20.1.1799 ancestors were Carin Påhlsdotter Kankkonen b. 1675 Evijärvi.
Carin was Daniel Mattson Stubb second wife born about 1660
Carin Påhlsdotter Kankkonen ancestors were also Clemet Kankkonen related to my ancestors also.
Here, we had no relationship, but it came pretty close.
Sara died quite young, only 24 years old.

Kaarina


Corrects, Sara Johansdotter Kanckos only related to the father Daniel Mattson Stubb and his first wife Malin Johansdotter.

Kaarina

Karinapierce
05-08-09, 13:57
Thank you for you reply. That has helped me so much. Yes I see what you mean about corrections now. Apparently when I was typing my post, I accidently put 1924, instead of 1824. All the dates of people that I am looking for are in the 1800's. So anyone looking at that post please disregard any of the dates that are for the 1900's unless I am referring to where I got my information from. Thank you for time and attention.

karina pierce

June Pelo
05-08-09, 21:28
Daniel Mattsson Stubb-Kanckos and Carin Påhlsdotter Kanckos were 7th great grandparents of Vern Lindquist, SFHS member, through their son Mickel Kiisk.

Kaarina
06-08-09, 10:23
Thanks June, Mickel Carlsson Kiisk 1767 -, I have descended to Pori / Ulvila.

And believe it is some more members of which are related by the same family Kankkonen from Evijärvi.

Kaarina

Karen Norwillo
06-08-09, 16:43
I am also related to this extended family in many ways. Matts Mårtensson Mattbäck and I would be 2nd cousins 5x removed. I also have Kanckos, Stubb, Kiisk, Kankkonen and Hatt in my tree. I have dates for all these in my tree on Talko. Lisa Andersdotter Hatt was born 12 Dec 1802. Sara Johansdotter Kanckos was born 20 Jan 1799.

June Pelo
06-08-09, 17:04
Yes, there are many people with links to these people. My own line goes back to Påhl Andersson Kankkonen, b. ca 1500. Jaska Sarell has compiled a lot of Esse data, but he seems to be offline for the summer.

Karinapierce
06-08-09, 23:24
Hi Karen. I would be interested in knowing more about Lisa Andersdotter Hatt and Sara Johansdotter Kanckos, especially Sara since she is the first relative I have located this far back who carries my grandmother's name. Thank you!

Karina Pierce

Karinapierce
06-08-09, 23:44
Hey Kaarina,

Some information that I have about this family is that Greta Lisa Mattsdotter Mattback was that she married a Matts Tierfolk who was born 1825 and died 1897. Not sure if it holds true but it is what I have.

Denise
07-08-09, 00:35
Hi Karina,
I have a few Hatt names in my ancestry who have descendants that are royalty. The lineage of Hatt names start in the 1300's. The names I have are:

1.Anund Hatt married Eliza (no birth or death dates)
2.Kristina Anundsdotter Hatt, d.1392 married Hemming Kvadraterad
3.Amund Hemmingsson Kvadraterad, d. 1365, married Ingrid Stolpe d.1396
4.Kristina Amundsdotter Hatt married Sten Bese d.1466
5.Johan Stensson Bese til Häradssäter b. 1426 married Katarina Gädda d.1505

I can send you the rest of the descendants if you are interested.

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
07-08-09, 00:52
Hi Karina,
I also have Kankkonen's in my ancestry, but that family is actually on my step great-grandfather's side and Karen will have all those names as they are her ancestors, and not really in my lineage. As Karen said, she has the Kankkonen names on Talko (and so do I) so you can check them out there.

Best Regards,
Denise

June Pelo
07-08-09, 00:56
Lisa Andersdotter Hatt, 1802-1859, was my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. I have her Hatt ancestors back to the 1600s, and also have her Forsbacka-Fors line that far back.

Karinapierce
07-08-09, 13:50
I am currently waiting to get a password for the Talko database. I have sent my request already. I know it takes awhile for this happen so that I can add what I already have, and obtain the information that all of you are suggesting. Thank you helping.

Karinapierce
07-08-09, 23:40
I greatly appreciate all the help that you have all contributed to my search for my ancestors, I know that several of you have suggested Talko as an excellent place to find a lot of answers to my questions, but my own question is if there is anyway to search church records for several of the parishes after the date given. For example, on the Hiski Project you can own search records until 1825, but I need records later than that. I am open to suggestions, and if Talko is the only way to do this, I will have to wait. :) Thank you for all your time and attention.

Karina Pierce

Denise
08-08-09, 06:46
Hi Karina,
Let's see if this works. Here is a gedcom of my step great grandfather, Matt Granbacka. I've never tried exporting a gedcom on a reply to a post before...:o

Best Regards,
Denise

Sorry...Well, it didn't work! :( Private message me with your personal email address and I'll send it to you that way.

Karen Norwillo
08-08-09, 15:48
Karina,
Send me a PM with your email and I will send you all the info I have on these two ladies.
Karen