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dianarae
22-09-09, 22:27
Johan Erik Eriksson Bask, dob Oct. 8, 1849, Petalax Finland, died May 26, 1906 Kramfors, Sweden
He was my great grandfather. He maried Anna Greta Erikson (Sebbas Farm). Their daughter Greta Stina (Christina) born Petalax, Finland Setp. 15, 1872 immigrated to USA then on to Canada maried John Stor from Vasa, Finland. Sidblings were Anna Sofia, Johan Eric, Johannes, Anna Maja, Bata Sofia, Karl Gustaf.
I am looking for anyone related to the above.

Denise
23-09-09, 05:32
Hi,
Here is some information to start with on Greta Stina Båsk from the Institute of Migration which may be helpful. Notice the å in the name Båsk. Do you happen to have birthdates for Greta Stina's siblings that you listed? I am finding most of those names as well on the Institute of Migration, but unsure without birthdates as to them being correct.

Best Regards,
Denise :)

Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Greta Stina
Other names *
Date of birth . .1872
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 02.04.1896
Passport number 693
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Båsk
First names Greta
Age or age group 24
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Ontonagon/Ontario
State of destination MI/ON
Country of destination USA/CDN
Price of ticket FIM 125
Ship from Finland Urania
Date of departure from Finland 04.04.1896
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 3/42
Remarks Mk Karl Båsk.

Denise
23-09-09, 05:44
This appears to be Greta Stina's infant son, Karl Båsk, travelling with her.

Denise :)

Detailed passenger information
Last name Båsk
First names Karl
Age or age group 3M
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Ontonagon/Ontario
State of destination MI/ON
Country of destination USA/CDN
Price of ticket FIM 125
Ship from Finland Urania
Date of departure from Finland 04.04.1896
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 3/42
Remarks Mk Greta Båsk.

dianarae
24-09-09, 00:56
Thank you for the quick reply. This might not be the right person. Greta Stina went by the name of Johannson. Her father was Johan Erik Eriksson but the children used Johannson (I'm very confused by the Finnish way of surnames). When she came to America she changed her name to Christina Johnson. Her birthdate was Sept. 15, 1872 & she married Johan Stor from Vasa Finland Nov. 7, 1892 in Michigan USA. Her mother was Anna Greta Erikson (Sebbas Farm) b June 6, 1849 Vasa Finland.
The children are:
Anna Sofia Oct. 12, 1864
Johan Eric Dec. 11, 1865
Greta Stina Sept. 15, 1872
Johannes Dec. 2, 1873
Anna Maja Apr. 24, 1875
Beata Sofia May 5, 1877
Karl Gustaf Aug. 27, 1878
Isaac May 8, 1880
Ida Louise Jan. 13, 1889
Lina ( Lena ) 1886
William b ?
I don't think Anna Sofia, Johan Eric, Johannes or Anna Maja came to America.
The mother came over but the father only came for a time & then went back to Finland.
I haven't been able to find out anything on Greta Stina's husband Johan Stor from Vasa Finland.
Diana

Denise
24-09-09, 03:04
Hi,
I am not finding a Greta Sofia Johansson anywhere with that birthdate on the Institute of Migration. She may have changed her name after immigrating, but I think the one I sent you above is her. Here are others from the family...There are also other children, Ida Lovisa, and Karolina (who may be your Lina, Lena) These are their passports. I'll see what I can find in the passenger records. If you will notice, Beata, Karl Gustaf and Isak all were headed to Sweden (Ruotsi), and not to America.

Best Regards,
Denise

Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Beata Sofia
Other names *
Date of birth . .1877
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Itsell. tr
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 05.09.1895
Passport number 1601
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Ruotsi
Passport issued by VAA
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Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Karl Gustaf
Other names *
Date of birth . .1878
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Loisen pka
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 26.10.1898
Passport number 1384
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Ruotsi
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sp veli Isak s. 1880.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Isak
Other names *
Date of birth . .1880
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Loisen pka
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 26.10.1898
Passport number 1384
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Ruotsi
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sp veli Karl Gustaf s. 1878.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Anna Greta
Other names *
Date of birth . .1849
Marital status 2
Religion *
Occupation Loisen vmo
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 12.05.1899
Passport number 1392
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Ph mies Johan Erik Båsk s. 1849.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Johan Erik
Other names *
Date of birth . .1849
Marital status 2
Religion *
Occupation Loinen
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 12.05.1899
Passport number 1392
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sp vmo Anna Greta, tr Karolina ja tr Ida Lovisa
--------------------------------------------------------------
Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Ida Lovisa
Other names *
Date of birth . .1889
Marital status 1
Religion *
Occupation Loisen tr
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 12.05.1899
Passport number 1392
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Ph isä Johan Erik Båsk.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Detailed passport information
Last name Båsk
First names Karolina
Other names *
Date of birth . .1885
Marital status 1
Religion *
Occupation Loisen tr
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 12.05.1899
Passport number 1392
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Ph isä Johan Erik Båsk.

Denise
24-09-09, 04:25
Hi,
Found your Johan Stor on Ellis Island's website twice, once on Oct. 3, 1892 on the ship Indiana going to cousin Lina Erikson's in Baraga, Michigan. The second record was arriving New York Apr. 5, 1905 on the Majestic, and states he was married. http://www.ellisisland.org/
Just type in Johan Stor born 1872 and it will come up with just those 2 passenger records.
On Ancestry.com I found this passenger record which appears to be a shortened version of the one's found on Ellis Island.

Denise :)

Denise
24-09-09, 04:50
Hi,
From the Institute of Migration:
Detailed passport information
Last name Stor
First names Johannes
Other names *
Date of birth . .1872
Marital status 2
Religion Lut.
Occupation Mäkitupal.
Home parish Petolahti
Province VAA
Passport date 16.03.1905
Passport number 1847
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sj vaimo ja 1 lapsi.

It appears he left his spouse and one child in Finland. (sj vaimo ja 1 lapsi)

Denise
24-09-09, 05:50
Hi,
Here is Johan Stor travelling with Gabriel Sebbas Oct. 3, 1892 on this passenger record from Ancestry.com

Denise


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Stor
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1892
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Finnish
Ship Name: Indiana
Search Ship Database: View the Indiana in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_598

Source Citation: Year: 1892; Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: M237_598; Line: 2; .

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line].


SORRY, I ALREADY POSTED THIS RECORD ABOVE....Denise

dianarae
25-09-09, 00:13
Thank you so much Denise for the info. Regarding Johan Stor - I went into the Ellis Island Website & I don't think those were the right people. However, I found JOHANNES STAAR, born Portum. His birthdate works out with what I have as well & my Johannes was born in Portum. It looks like he was travelling with Karl Svderman (which I think was supposed to be Soderman)
He had a brother named Karl (or Charlie Soderman) & his mother was Kaisa Soderman. It looks like I have might have had the wrong spelling of his name as he changed it while in America/Canada to John Storey. If you could find out anything more on him I would be so happy. He was my grandfather & my mother really doesn't know much about him (she was the youngest of 13 children) & is now 90 years old. He was born May 4, 1869 in Portum, Vasa, Finland & 1st arrived in America 1889 (or so we were told)
Diana

Denise
25-09-09, 04:02
Maybe this is the correct Johannes Stor.

Denise :)

Michigan Passenger and Crew Lists, 1903-1965
Name: Johan Stor
Arrival Date: 24 Nov 1909
Age: 40 years
Estimated Birth Date: 1869
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: sacvn
Birth Location: Finland; portom
Last Resided: Ontario
Port of Arrival: Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan
Ship: Ukn
Microfilm/Roll #: IMUSAMI1903_082346
Record Type: Card
Line: 1

Denise
25-09-09, 04:08
Notice his last name is spelled Stoor on this record. :)

Denise

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Johannes Stoor
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Date of Arrival: 17 Jul 1909
Vessel: Victorian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Victorian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4761

Denise
25-09-09, 04:20
Here is another passenger record.

Denise

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan Stoor
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1909
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Finnish
Ship Name: Adriatic
Search Ship Database: View the Adriatic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Finland
Line: 26
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1382
Birth Location: Finland
Birth Location Other: portom
Page Number: 137

Source Citation: Year: 1909; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_1382; Line: 26; .

dianarae
26-09-09, 17:01
Thanks again Denise for your quick reply.
My question is why can't I find out anything about Johan (Johannes) Stoor (Stor) in Finland - like his parents, siblings etc. I don't know where to go now to find out anything about him.
Diana

June Pelo
26-09-09, 21:07
I haven't been following this search, but I checked HisKi and Pörtom birth records end at 1835. If your Johan was born there on 4 May 1869, your best bet is to write to the church parish office. They have an e-mail address, too.

Internet: portom.pastorskansli*evl.fi

Or write to the church parish office at:
Prästgårdsvägen 4 A
66270 Pörtom
Finland

Don't worry about what language to use. Most people can read English. Be sure to include all the information you have about him.

Denise
26-09-09, 23:47
Hi Dianarae,
I believe I have found your Johannes Stoor. He is the last one on this page with mother Maria above him. http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/HisKi-digiarkisto.php?plid=405

Denise :)

June Pelo
27-09-09, 00:33
If I read it correctly, Johannes Mariasson was born 22 May 1869 to Maria Mattsdotter, b. 7 Sep 1844 at Stoor. I checked the marriage records for Pörtom and there is one for widower Mathias Johansson Stoor who married 25 Jan 1840 to Lisa Eriksdotter Nordbäck. Since Maria wasn't married and no father's name is given, you probably can't find who Johannes' father was. It may be possible to find more info. about Maria's parents, if the above marriage record is of her parents. Can't check Maria's birth record on HisKi because it's after 1835. Can't read the note in the margin next to Maria's name.

Denise
27-09-09, 01:27
Hi,
Here is Maria Mattsdotter. She is the 7th person listed on the right side of the page. I'm not really good at reading these records, but maybe June can tell you more by looking at it. Thank-you June! :D

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
27-09-09, 02:02
Here is Matts Mattsson's birth record (father of Maria) from Hiski. Matts Mattson was born Jan.27,1818 (27.1.1818) and his parents were Matts Andersson Sidbäck and Maria. I'll see what else I can find.

Denise :)

Pörtom - Pirttikylä
Christened
Born / Christened 27.1.1818 1.2.1818
Village / Farm Sidbäck
Father Matts Ands. Sidbäck
Mother Maria 38
Child Matts

Denise
27-09-09, 02:07
Here is Matts Andersson and Maria Larsdotter Sidbäk's marriage.

Denise :)

Pörtom - Pirttikylä
Married
Announced / Married 8.12.1805
Man Village / Farm Sidbäck
Name Drg. Matts Andersson
Wife Village / Farm
Name Bdd:r Maria Larsd:r Sidbäk

Denise
27-09-09, 02:29
Here are more of Matts Andersson and Maria Larsdotter Sidbäck's children, (siblings of Matts Mattsson b. 27.1.1818).

Denise :)



1. Zacharias b. 6.9.1806 d. 2.11.1806 Sidbäk village
2. Maria b. 4.11.1807 d. 7.6.1808 Sidbäk village
3. Carl b. 29.10.1808 d. 24.3.1810 Sidbäk village
4. Johan b. 19.7.1812 Sidbäk village
5. Adam b. 24.12.1816 d. 11.2.1817 Pörtom village
6. Abraham b. 16.6.1828 Pörtom village

Denise
27-09-09, 05:30
Found this on familysearch (LDS) website.
Best Regards,
Denise
P.S. I am private messaging you with the names of the submitters and their addresses, so maybe you can get further info. from them.

Maria Larsson SIDBACK (AFN: 3G2M-9F) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

Event(s)
Birth: 19 Aug 1786
Portom, Vaasa, Finland
Parents
Father: Lars Billing ABRAHAMSSON (AFN: ZWXZ-7X) Family
Mother: Elisabeth ANDERSSON (AFN: ZWXZ-84)

Marriage(s)
Spouse: Matts Andersson SIDBACK (AFN: 3G2M-88) Family
Marriage: 8 Dec 1805
Portom, Vaasa, Finland

Denise
27-09-09, 05:38
Matts Andersson SIDBACK (AFN: 3G2M-88) Pedigree
Sex: M Family

Event(s)
Birth: 1777
Ilmajoki, , Fnln
Death: 6 Dec 1849
Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Parents
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Maria Larsson SIDBACK (AFN: 3G2M-9F) Family
Marriage: 8 Dec 1805
Portom, Vaasa, Finland

Denise
27-09-09, 05:40
Husband's Name
Matts Andersson SIDBACK (AFN:3G2M-88) Pedigree
Born: 1777 Place: Ilmajoki, , Fnln
Died: 6 Dec 1849 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Married: 8 Dec 1805 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Finland
Father:
Mother:
Wife's Name
Maria Larsson SIDBACK (AFN:3G2M-9F) Pedigree
Born: 19 Aug 1786 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Finland
Married: 8 Dec 1805 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Finland
Father: Lars Billing ABRAHAMSSON (AFN:ZWXZ-7X) Family
Mother: Elisabeth ANDERSSON (AFN:ZWXZ-84)
Children
1. Sex Name
M Emanuel MATTSON (AFN:3G2M-6W) Pedigree
Born: 1824 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
2. Sex Name
M Matts ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-HG) Pedigree
Born: 17 Jan 1818 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 1 Feb 1818 Place:
3. Sex Name
M Henric ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-G9) Pedigree
Born: 18 Jan 1816 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 21 Jan 1816 Place:
4. Sex Name
M Carl ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-CR) Pedigree
Born: 29 Oct 1808 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 30 Oct 1808 Place:
Died: 24 Mar 1810 Place:
5. Sex Name
U Carl MATTSSON (AFN:ZWZ0-26) Pedigree
Born: 29 Oct 1808 Place: Sidback, Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Christened: 30 Oct 1808 Place:
Died: 24 Mar 1810 Place:
6. Sex Name
M Abram ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-DX) Pedigree
Born: 9 Feb 1810 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 11 Feb 1810 Place:
Died: 2 Jul 1811 Place:
7. Sex Name
M Abram MATTSSON (AFN:ZWZ0-3C) Pedigree
Born: 9 Feb 1910 Place: Sidback, Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Christened: 11 Feb 1910 Place:
Died: 2 Jul 1911 Place:
8. Sex Name
M Anders ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-JM) Pedigree
Born: 31 May 1821 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 31 May 1821 Place:
Died: 1 Jul 1821 Place:
9. Sex Name
M Abraham ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-M5) Pedigree
Born: 16 Jun 1828 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa. Fin.
Christened: 17 Jun 1828 Place:
10. Sex Name
M Anders ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-L0) Pedigree
Born: 1 Jul 1823 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 6 Jul 1823 Place:
Died: 22 Aug 1823 Place:
11. Sex Name
M Johan ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-F4) Pedigree
Born: 19 Jul 1810 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 19 Jul 1812 Place:
12. Sex Name
M Josef ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-KS) Pedigree
Born: 19 Jul 1822 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 26 Jul 1812 Place:
13. Sex Name
M Zacharias ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-BL) Pedigree
Born: 6 Sep 1806 Place: Sidback Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 7 Sep 1806 Place:
Died: 2 Nov 1806 Place:
14. Sex Name
F Maria MATTSSON (AFN:ZWZ0-11) Pedigree
Born: 4 Nov 1807 Place: Sidback, Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Christened: 5 Nov 1807 Place:
Died: 7 Jun 1808 Place:
15. Sex Name
M Adam ANDERSON (AFN:3G2M-NB) Pedigree
Born: 24 Dec 1816 Place: Portom Portom, Vaasa, Fin.
Christened: 24 Dec 1816 Place:
Died: 11 Feb 1817 Place:

Denise
27-09-09, 05:43
Husband's Name
Lars Billing ABRAHAMSSON (AFN:ZWXZ-7X) Pedigree
Born: 9 Feb 1765 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Died: 22 Jun 1840 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Married: 22 May 1785 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Father: Abraham LARSSON (AFN:ZWXX-ZL) Family
Mother: Maria OLOFSSON (AFN:ZWXZ-0Q)
Wife's Name
Elisabeth ANDERSSON (AFN:ZWXZ-84) Pedigree
Born: 5 Sep 1763 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Married: 22 May 1785 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Father: Anders Sidback JOHANSSON (AFN:ZWXW-0G) Family
Mother: Walborg JONASSON (AFN:ZWXW-1M)
Children
1. Sex Name
F Maria Larsson SIDBACK (AFN:3G2M-9F) Pedigree
Born: 19 Aug 1786 Place: Portom, Vaasa, Finland

Denise
27-09-09, 05:46
Abraham LARSSON (AFN: ZWXX-ZL) Pedigree
Sex: M Family

Event(s)
Birth: 1745
Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Death: 2 Jun 1789
Portom, Vaasa, Fnln
Parents
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Maria OLOFSSON (AFN: ZWXZ-0Q) Family
Marriage: 16 Dec 1763
Portom, Vaasa, Fnln

Dianarae, There is much more to be found on LDS of all the children and spouses. Too much to post here and I don't want to get you too confused!

June Pelo
27-09-09, 17:28
Hi,
Here is Maria Mattsdotter. She is the 7th person listed on the right side of the page. I'm not really good at reading these records, but maybe June can tell you more by looking at it. Thank-you June! :D

Best Regards,
Denise

Looks like you've covered it, Denise! The only thing I can add is that Matts Mattsson Sidbäck was a crofter at No. 12, Stoor. His wife was Maja Lisa Majasdotter, and no birthdate was given, so it would be a problem to find her mother (she had no patronymic). The other people living at No. 12, Stoor appear to be crofters, too. Couldn't find anything about Stoor or Sidbäk on google.