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D J Granlund
02-10-09, 16:30
I am looking for data in Finland for Antti. I have all of the US census data for 1910, 20 and 30. I do not know his actual birth date but it is about 1876. I believe he arrived in NY 19 May 1899 on the Cymric. The manifest states he is coming from ?Evijärvi and going to Lewas City Mich (the script is difficult to read and understand). He seemed to be travelling with a fellow Jaakko Saunaaho from the same town in Finland and going to the same destination in Michigan. If his passport and passenger information are available at the Institute of Migration, I would be greatful to know that information as well as any other data on Antti. Thank You. David

Denise
02-10-09, 19:31
Hi David,
I didn't find an Antti immigrating in 1899 on the Institute of Migration, or even one that seemed to match. I'll check some more. I did find a Jakob Sauna-aho's passport record, going to Africa! :D Sounds like these 2 friends were quite adventurous!

Best Regards,
Denise

Detailed passport information
Last name Sauna-aho
First names Jakob
Other names *
Date of birth . .1875
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Evijärvi
Province VAA
Passport date 02.10.1895
Passport number 1835
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Afrikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Denise
02-10-09, 19:50
Hi,
Take a look at these paaport and passenger records and see what you think might be possible for your Antti Mattila. None are from Evajärvi.

Best Regards,
Denise

PASSPORT RECORDS
----------------------------------------------------------

Mattila Antti 20.01.1909 18.10.1890 Nivala Amerikka
Mattila Antti 11.07.1906 . .1881 Kortesjärvi Amerikka
Mattila Antti 26.06.1912 20.01.1891 Rantsila Amerikka
Mattila Antti Eemil 21.05.1909 29.07.1884 Salon emäsrk. Amerikka
Mattila Antti Jeremiaanp. . .1900 . .1873 Pyhäjoki Amerikka
Mattila Anttoona Juusont. 29.01.1903 19.12.1877 Oulainen Amerikka
Mattila Anders .11.1902 . .1896 Nivala Amerikka
Mattila Anders Alfred Mattsson 13.05.1893 . .1875 Ylikannus Amerikka
Mattila Anders Henrik Johansson 18.01.1902 . .1828 Lapväärtti Amerikka
Mattila Anders Hjalmar Johansson 07.04.1898 . .1880 Kannus Pohj. Am.

PASSENGER RECORDS
--------------------------------------------------------------
Mattila Anselm Wakefield MI USA 12.03.1913
Mattila Anton Berlin Mills NH USA 15.04.1903
Mattila Anton Gardner MA USA 11.11.1922
Mattila Anton Boston MA USA 20.12.1911
Mattila Antti Virginia MN USA 12.01.1900
Mattila Antti Vancouver BC CDN 30.07.1910
Mattila Antti Calumet MI USA 18.12.1909
Mattila Antti Painesdale MI USA 03.07.1912
Mattila Antti Monessen PA USA 17.02.1909
Mattila Antti Butte MT USA 17.09.1913
Mattila Antti Wakefield MI USA 25.01.1902
Mattila Antti E. New York NY USA 26.05.1909
Mattila Antton Quebec PQ CDN 08.05.1907
Mattila Antton Quebec PQ CDN 11.05.1910
Mattila Antton Boston MA USA 16.04.1913

D J Granlund
03-10-09, 01:50
Denise,
Thank you for the data on Antti! If you look at the passport entry on line 7 of your reply you will see Mattila Anders .11.1902..1896 Nivala Amerika. This is interesting as Antti married Ann Mary Nivala in Minnesota. This passport record would be worth a second look!!! Thanks! David

Denise
03-10-09, 02:00
Hi,
Just happen to be online! Here is that passport record...

Denise :)

Detailed passport information
Last name Mattila
First names Anders
Other names *
Date of birth . .1896
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Itsell. lapsi
Home parish Nivala
Province OU
Passport date .11.1902
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by HKO
Remarks Ph Aina Mattila s. 1894.

Denise
03-10-09, 02:04
This might be your Antti Mattila on this passenger record...

Denise

Detailed passenger information
Last name Mattila
First names Antti
Age or age group 28
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Virginia
State of destination MN
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 315
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 12.01.1900
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line Dominion Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 18/60
Remarks Vuosi 1901 (?).

Denise
03-10-09, 02:24
Hi,
I just took a look at that N.Y. passenger record you referred to in your first post.
Annti was going to Tawas City, Michigan. I live about 30 minutes away from there! :D I'll see what else I can find.

Denise

D J Granlund
03-10-09, 15:36
Thank you once again Denise. This latest Anti going to Virginia Mn would be too old to be the one I am searching for. And thanks for looking at the manifest and telling me the destination was Tawas City. I would probably never have been able to get that. David

D J Granlund
03-11-09, 20:37
I found a listing of a Minnesota naturalization document for Antti Mattila. I ordered it from Chisholm (IRRC). It has arrived and unfortunately it is the wrong person. If this declaration of intent were for the Antti I am seeking, he would have lived to be 111 years old. Pehaps my Antti bought his farm rather than homesteading.:(

D J Granlund
17-11-09, 17:17
I have received new documents from IRRC. They state Antti arrived in Portland, Maine on the Kensington 27 Jan 1901. However, from Ancestry the ship name was Vancouver but the arrival in Maine and departure from Liverpool are correct. He was going to Virginia, Minnesota and had $10. There were 2 other men on the manifest listed as also going to Virginia with out a personal contact. Further his birth date is 24 Aug 1975 and birth place is Pyhäjoki. Well maybe, his wifes papers state she was also from Pyhäjoki but she was actually from Merijävi which is a neighboring parish. At this point, my guess is he was born somewhere near Kalajoki. There are Mattila people in Pyhäjoki in the records up to 1850 but I do not have convincing evidence of his birth or of his parents.

Denise, from the data you found for me, which seems to you to be likely? Or do none of them fit?

Denise
17-11-09, 19:08
Hi D.J.,
I would have to guess that this would be your Antti Mattila.

Detailed passenger information
Last name Mattila
First names Antti
Age or age group 28
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Virginia
State of destination MN
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 315
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 12.01.1900
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line Dominion Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 18/60
Remarks Vuosi 1901 (?).

If you look at the remarks at the end of this passenger record it says Vuosi 1901 (?), which I believe means "year 1901", so it appears that there was an error in the transcription on his passport record and he did leave 12.01.1901, not 1900. Ships took about 12-14 days usually to cross from England to Canada or the U.S.
I wouldn't worry too much about the different ship names as sometimes the ships came into a port in Canada first from England, and then passengers boarded another ship and continued on to the eastern ports of the U.S. I've found that quite often. He was probably on the Kensington from Liverpool, England to Canada and then boarded the ship named Vancouver to his destination at the port in Maine.
I believe the IRRC found you the correct Antti Mattila.

Best Regards,
Denise

Denise
17-11-09, 19:20
Hi D.J.,
I believe this will be your Antti's passport record from the Institute of Migration, but what the IRRC sent you states his birthdate as 1875 and this from the Institute of Migration states 1873. If you look on the above passenger record for Antti it states he is 28 years of age which would make his birth year 1873. I would believe that his correct birthdate would be 24 Aug. 1873 born in Pyhäjoki and his father is Jeremias Mattila. I think there have been a few errors on transcriptions regarding your Antti Mattila. Just my opinion.

Detailed passport information
Last name Mattila
First names Antti Jeremiaanp.
Other names *
Date of birth . .1873
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Itsellinen
Home parish Pyhäjoki
Province OU
Passport date . .1900
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by OU
Remarks *

Bet Regards,
Denise

D J Granlund
18-11-09, 15:53
Thank you Denise! I tend to agree with your assumptions. They are very plausable. I have been happy for half a day and now I hunger for more information about Antti's ancestors. I have faced this 50 year gap in the records before (1850-1900). In the past I have gotten help from someone with insider information on the parish of interest. I can only hope for the same regarding Antti and the Pyhäjoki church records. If there is someone that has access and is willing to do a search for Jeremiah Mattila etc. I would be most greatful. David;)

Tapio Rautio
18-11-09, 22:32
Hello Denise and David!

I hope this is the right Antti You are looking for David,
that i cannot tell, however...

On Antti in Pyhäjoki some clues.

Igi gives:

Ida Maria Lampinsuu
Female Event(s):
Birth: 03 JAN 1862 Pyhajoki, Oulu, Finland
Christening: 06 JAN 1862 Pyhajoki, Oulu, Finland
Parents:
Father: Jeramias Andersson Lampinsuu Family
Mother: Maria



And more Igi:

Anders Andersson Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 24 AUG 1873 Pyhajoki, Oulu, Finland
Christening: 31 AUG 1873 Pyhajoki, Oulu, Finland
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: Jermemia Andersson Family
Mother: Maria


Some links from:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/

From the oldest 1845 to 1880.



http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=578576&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400
Lampinsuu Anders Matsson wife Clara son Jeremias


http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=580635&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400
Lampinsuu


http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=585651&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400
Lampinsuu


http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=588260&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400
Lampinsuu Mattila widow Maria Henriksdr


http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=594717&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400
Lampinsuu ibm Mattila Maria Henriksdr 1832 Rosa 59 Ida 62 2 - 1


If the finnish structure gives a problem, just ask me. The rippikirja years
and picturenumbers should be easy to check on:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index.htm







1. Mattila Antti, s. 24.08.1872 Pyhäjoki Igi.



Vanhemmat

2. Luoto-Lampinsuu Jeremias, s. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=578576&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400. puoliso Maria Henriksdr.

3. Maria Henriksdr, s. 1832 http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=594717&zoom=1&x=1&y=1&sx=400&sy=400.




Iso Vanhemmat

4. Luoto-Pyy-Isotalo-Lampinsuu Anders, s. 04.12.1785 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1802-1809 Kuva 74. puoliso Peitso Clara Johansdr, avioliitossa 20.12.1807 Pyhäjoki , Vihityt, 1794-1821 Kuva 13.

5. Peitso Clara Johansdr, s. 30.11.1786.





Iso Iso Vanhemmat

8. Luoto Mats, s. 09.08.1764 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1802-1809 Kuva 74, k. 1808 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1802-1809 Kuva 74. puoliso Putahan Maria Matsdr, avioliitossa 1785 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1781-1787 Kuva 98.

9. Putahan Maria Matsdr, s. 09.03.1765 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1802-1809 Kuva 74.





Iso Iso Iso Vanhemmat

16. Luoto Anders Matsson, s. 10.05.1734 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 Kuva 51. puoliso Jaacola Carin Thomasdr.

17. Jaacola Carin Thomasdr, s. 21.03.1735 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 Kuva 51.

18. Putahan Mats Matsson, s. 02.04.1733 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83, k. 30.01.1777 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83. puoliso Harakka Brita.

19. Harakka Brita, s. 05.08.1733 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83, k. 16.12.1776 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83.





3net Iso Iso Vanhemmat

32. Rautio-Palo-Luoto Mats Andersson, s. 28.08.1707 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 41, ammatti Pyhäjoen pitäjänsuutari. puoliso Polus Beata Lucasdr, avioliitossa 28.12.1732.

33. Polus Beata Lucasdr, s. 1707 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 41.

34. Parhalahti-Jaacola Thomas Jacobsson, s. 03.11.1701 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 56. puoliso Malin Henriksdr.

35. Malin Henriksdr, s. 1699 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 56.

36. Putahan Mats Simonsson, s. 15.01.1708 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 MKO20-25 Kuva 83, k. 07.08.1763 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 MKO20-25 Kuva 83. puoliso Limingoja Beata Michelsdr, avioliitossa 1732 Pyhäjoki.

37. Limingoja Beata Michelsdr, s. 1694 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83, k. 02.02.1775 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1775-1780 Kuva 83. puoliso (1) Heikkilä Erik. puoliso (2) Putahan Mats Simonsson, avioliitossa 1732 Pyhäjoki, s. 15.01.1708 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 MKO20-25 Kuva 83, k. 07.08.1763 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1763-1768 MKO20-25 Kuva 83.

38. Harakka Per Påhlsson, s. 1669 Cuopio, k. 24.01.1744 Pyhäjoki 75v. puoliso Brita Johansdr.

39. Brita Johansdr, s. 1694 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 73, k. 28.11.1758 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1756-1763 Kuva 73.





4net Iso Iso Vanhemmat

64. Rautio Anders Andersson. puoliso Oja Brita Persdr, avioliitossa 13.11.1704 Pyhäjoki.

65. Oja Brita Persdr, s. 22.06.1685 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1769-1774 Kuva 51, k. 13.06.1770 Pyhäjoki , Kuolleet, 1763-1793 Kuva 24 84v11kk. puoliso (1) Rautio Anders Andersson, avioliitossa 13.11.1704 Pyhäjoki. puoliso (2) Palo Jöran Jacobsson, s. 02.11.1694 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1742-1748 Kuva 48, ammatti Pyhäjoen pitäjänsuutari.

66. Polus Lucas Persson. puoliso Margaretha Josephsdr.

67. Margaretha Josephsdr.

68. Parhalahti Jacob Matsson. puoliso Anna Josefsdr.

69. Anna Josefsdr.

72. Pudas Simon Matsson. puoliso Kitinprami Lisa Andersdr, avioliitossa 20.11.1702 Pyhäjoki.

73. Kitinprami Lisa Andersdr.

76. Påhl. puoliso Margeta.

77. Margeta, s. Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1727-1731 MKO2 Kuva 14.





Kind regards


Tapio

Denise
19-11-09, 15:12
Hi Tapio,
:D It appears to be correct to me! Awesome detective work...I always forget about http://digi.narc.fi/digi/ but because I don't use it much I find it difficult to navigate the website.

Best Regards,
Denise :D

D J Granlund
19-11-09, 17:02
Tapio,
Once more I am in your debt. This is absolutely great news. Your cousins will be absolutely stunned by the details of their Far Far and family. I have no doubt this is the right people and parish. Thank you, David.:D

Tapio Rautio
19-11-09, 20:15
Denise and David, hi!

Thank You for Your kind comments!

Lots of loose ends to fill in, Jeremias wife, Maria Henriksdaughter
will clear out, when the churchbooks of Pyhäjoki 1824-1838 and
1847-1867 are published on FFHA. http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm

Jeremias mother, Clara Johansdaughter Peitso b. 30.11.1786,
moved from Kälviä to Pyhäjoki in 1807.
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pyhajoki/rippikirja_1802-1809_mko60-66/76.htm
Some other Peitsos on that same page.

I checked the book "Juuret Kälviällä" (Roots in Kälviä) by Uuno Huhtala and no Clara in Peitso there.


Hiski can find this birth in Toholampi:

30.11.1786 30.11.1786 Torp: Johan Pehrsson Hackspick Lisa Ericsdr. Clara

Google finds: Storbacka-Hackspik, Johan Persson 1740 . .nr.356,
in the Caino-Torp book, but i don´t have that book to look
into, maybe some clues to find there?

David, i don´t have any cousinship to Antti Mattila yet, but several
to his wife Anna Nivala.

There was a farm Rautio in Pyhäjoki and another, different Rautio farm in Oulainen,
neigboring parish. My roots are in the Oulainen farm, no connection to
Rautio in Pyhäjoki, yet ;o)



Kind regards


Tapio

D J Granlund
20-11-09, 14:58
Tapio,
I was referring to the joy of your cousins, grandaughters of Anna Maria Nivala. I have been searching for their relatives in Finland. They are cousins to you through Anna but Antti was their grandfather so the information will be of great value to them. So, your cousins will be at least as happy as you have made me. So, Thank You once more. The volume of material you have supplied is such that it will be quite some time before I get my mind around all of it. I have a good start but have a question of clarity on one detail. You have listed Antti's DOB in 2 places with the year one time as 1873 and one time as 1872. Is 1873 the correct one? David.

D J Granlund
21-11-09, 15:06
Tapio,
I have been slogging thru the pages and find myself unable to comprehend the transition from Lampinsuu to Mattila. Further, I am puzzled at the digi files you have referenced that seem to be unavailable thru the English version FFHA. Can you elaborate? Thanks, David.

Tapio Rautio
21-11-09, 16:02
Hello David!


1873 is the correct year, taken from Denise and Igi,
my slippery fingers made it 1872 by mistake:)

About Lampinsuu to Mattila, i don´t know so much
about the local history of Pyhäjoki, i have only been
looking in these churchrecords and ancestors. But
it looks like Lampinsuu is the village, and there are
several different farms. (I suspect Jeremias wife is
from Lampinsuu, Oravisjärvi farm?)

About navigating http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm

For example, my reference for:
Luoto-Pyy-Isotalo-Lampinsuu Anders, Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1802-1809 Kuva 74.


Choose: Church Records
Choose: Pyhäjoki
Choose: Rippikirja 1802-1809
Choose: 74 on the left side Pohjankylä, Luoto

Anders parents on the top of the page,
Anders and Clara under them.

I hope i understood Your cuestions the way You
meaned too??


Best regards


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
21-11-09, 16:40
David,

i have a strong believe that Clara Peitsos parents are these,
but i don´t have any proof yet.

(Johan Peerson Hackspik in the Caino-Torp book is a totally different person.)

I

1. Märsylä-Hackspik Per Mattsson, b. Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1758-1758 Kuva 90, occ. soldier. spouse Karhula Lisa Henriksdr, marriage 15.06.1753 Lohtaja, b. 1733 Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1758-1758 Kuva 90.
Lapset:
2. i. Hackspik Johan b. 17.08.1756.


II

2. Hackspik Johan, born. 17.08.1756 Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1758-1758 Kuva 90, died. 09.06.1790 Kalajoki , Rippikirja, 1788-1793 Kuva 198. spouse Sämpilä Lisa Matsdr, marriage 22.10.1779 Lohtaja, b. 17.02.1760 Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1781-1795 Kuva 70, died. 28.05.1787 Toholampi ?, Lived Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1769-1780 Kuva 96.
Child:
i. Hackspik Lisa, b. 11.11.1780 Lohtaja , Rippikirja, 1769-1780 Kuva 96.



From hiski:

Lohtaja - Lochteå - married
Kuul. Vihitty Kylä Talo Mies Vaimo Kylä Talo
22.10.1779 Lohtajankylä Toscala Johan Pehrss. Toscala p. Lisa Matthsdr.
Sämbilä (i.f.skr.) Hillilä Sämbilä


Lohtaja - Lochteå - born
11.11.1780 12.11.1780 Johan (drg.) Hackfpik Lisa Mattsdr. Hackfpik
Elisabet

Kannus - born
18.5.1784 19.5.1784 Ylikannus Tainio Drg: Joh: Pehrss: Hackspik Lisa
Mattsd:r Anna

Toholampi - born
30.11.1786 30.11.1786 Torp: Johan Pehrsson Hackspick Lisa Ericsdr.
Clara

Toholampi - dead
Kuollut Haudattu Kylä Talo Henkilö Kuolinsyy
19.3.1787 10.4.1787 Anna Johansdr. Hackspik svulnad 2v 11kk

Toholampi - dead
Kuollut Haudattu Kylä Talo Henkilö Kuolinsyy vv kk vko pv
28.5.1787 10.6.1787 Lisa Mattsdr. svulnad 27 3
alkup - PIK: (g.)


Kalajoki - dead
Kuollut Haudattu Kylä Talo Henkilö Kuolinsyy
9.6.1790 13.6.1790 drg.Johan Pehrss. Hakspik rötfeber 32v 4kk




Best regards


Tapio

D J Granlund
22-11-09, 16:19
Tapio,
Some of the links you listed are from the church books and I can access them without difficulties. However, those that are from Mantalslängd are a different matter. From the FFHA home page (English) how do you get these other types of records??? And, can you explain what it is I am looking at with the Mantalslängd? Thanks, David

Tapio Rautio
23-11-09, 10:34
Hello David!

Mantalslängd is a population register.
You will find it here:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/index.ka?lang=en_US&PHPSESSID=323f82308d1e93b70086be597552836a

Take the search engine, type Pyhäjoki, click next two times,
there you will find; Oulun läänin henkikirjat from 1810 to 1880.
The willages are usually in alphabetic order, but you have to go from
picture to picture, a fast internet connection makes the searching
easier.


Best regards

Tapio

D J Granlund
23-11-09, 15:26
Thank You Tapio. I will take some time to learn how to use the search engine and read the instructions for use. David

Tapio Rautio
23-11-09, 18:30
Hello David!

I am sorry to say, that i discovered a bad error in my
records.

Please cut off everything older than Lampinsuu Jeremias!!

There was two different Anders Mattsons with a wife named Clara
in Pyhäjoki.

The first one for Jeremias parents is probably wrong.

Here is the other couple:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pyhajoki/rippikirja_1810-1816_mko67-74/197.htm


Anders Matsson b.30.05.1782 and Clara Thomasdaughter b.08.08.1788

Now i will keep quiet, untill the upcoming records of Pyhäjoki 1824-1838 and
1847-1867 are published.

Best regards

Tapio

Tapio Rautio
08-12-10, 07:57
Hello!

Now the needed records are online. :)



Tapio

D J Granlund
08-12-10, 16:58
Thank you Tapio. It has been a years since I have looked at this family. It will take some time to get reoriented to the facts. David