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Roger
11-10-09, 23:50
Hello members,
I have wondered for years if any of you are connected to my Finnish roots. My maternal grandparents came from Kuortane, my grandfather was Elias Kulju, born in 1875, and my grandmother was Sanna Liisa Mustapää, also born in 1875....they came to America and were married in Eveleth, Minnesota, before coming to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where they had a farm, and, raised 8 daughters.
My paternal grandparents were Antti Koski Lesell, born 1873 in Kauhava, and Sanna Kaisa Ylipelkonen, born 1875 in Kauhava...I have never been able to figure out how the name Koski name was added. It does not show up in Hiski, but, it is in a book published by Matti Nieminen in 2002, titled : Leskelä - Lescelius - Lescell - Lesell - sukua v.v. 1500 - 2002. I met Matti in 2000 while he was still gathering information, and, if I remember correctly, he said he was finding it in church records, etc. What is confusing is that Antti's father was listed as Matti Lesell Koski, and, Matti's father is listed as Emanuel Lescell, whose wife was Liisa Karhu. They had seven children, (1)Sanna Lesell (2) Johan Lesell(Tienhaara), (3) Matti Lesell Koski (4) Emanuel Lesell Ylikarhu (5) Maria Lesell (6) Yrjö Lesell(Ylikarhu) and (7) Anders Lesell. There was a Koski Farm, but, none are listed as being born there....Also, all of my grandfather Antti's siblings were named Koski Lesell, can anyone help me with this?

Denise
14-10-09, 05:15
Hi Roger,
Looking at the Institute of Migration I have found the following on Elias Kulju. It appears by the years of birth that there may be 2-3 with the same name. The first record appears to be your Elias, and since he was 66 years of age when he died, that would make his birthyear about 1876. The second record (passport) would be closest in age to your Elias but he was already married with 2 children. The third record (passport) shows that Elias born 1879 and single. Then the passenger records of two different Elias' follow; one born about 1877 and the other about 1880. Do any of these look familiar to you? I will look up the other names you've listed too.

Best Regards,
Denise :)

Detailed information (Reference records)
Last name: Kulju
First names: Elias
Other name: *
Date of birth: 99.99.9999
Place of birth: *
State of birth: *
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: 10.06.1942
Place of death: Humboldt
State of death: MI
Country of death: USA
References: - Siirtokansan kalenteri 1943: 159 ("Tuonen viljaa").
Remarks: Ikä: 66.

Detailed passport information
Last name Kulju
First names Elias
Other names *
Date of birth . .1877
Marital status 2
Religion Lut.
Occupation Torpp.
Home parish Töysä
Province VAA
Passport date 27.03.1902
Passport number 913
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks Sj vmo ja 2 lasta.

Detailed passport information
Last name Kulju
First names Elias
Other names *
Date of birth . .1879
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Kuortane
Province VAA
Passport date .09.1902
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by HKO
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Kulju
First names Elias
Age or age group 25
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Painesville
State of destination OH
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 41
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 05.04.1902
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 23/23
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Kulju
First names Elias
Age or age group 22
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Cosmopolis
State of destination WA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 430
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 27.09.1902
Ship from England Haverford
Date of departure from England 08.10.1902
Ocean Line American Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 22/51
Remarks *

Denise
14-10-09, 05:23
Hi Roger,
On Sanna Lisa I have found 2 passports for Sanna's and one passenger record. I'll check for the Koski Lesell info. but I'm not finding anything yet that would make sense.

Best Regards,
Denise

Detailed passport information
Last name Mustapää
First names Sanna Lisa
Other names *
Date of birth . .1875
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Kuortane
Province VAA
Passport date 28.02.1896
Passport number 337
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Mustapää
First names Sanna
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Kuortane
Province VAA
Passport date 28.04.1905
Passport number 3141
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Mustapää
First names Sanna
Age or age group 1N
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Boston
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 37
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 10.05.1905
Ship from England Campania
Date of departure from England 20.05.1905
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 43/31
Remarks *

Denise
14-10-09, 05:44
These are the only Lesell's I am finding on the Institute of Migration, and over 100 Koski's, but no Koski Lesell's or Lescell names.

Denise :)

Search results (Passport records)
Last name First names Passport date Date of birth Home parish Destination
Lesell Amanda . .1900 . .1881 Alahärmä Amerikka
Lesell Eino Johannes 29.10.1909 . .1892 Alahärmä Amerikka
Lesell Lisa 30.10.1896 . .1874 Alahärmä Amerikka
Lesell Matti 21.09.1905 . .1862 Lapua Amerikka
Lesell Matti Gabriel 26.11.1904 . .1888 Lapua Amerikka
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Search results (Passenger records)
Last name First names Place of destination State Country Date
Lesell Aili Chase BC CDN 21.09.1927
Lesell Eino Ishpeming MI USA 10.11.1909
Lesell Feelis Sioux Lookout ON CDN 25.04.1925
Lesell Juho Crystal Falls MI USA 16.12.1908
Lesell Matti New York NY USA 30.11.1904
Lesell Matts Athens OH USA 27.09.1905

Denise
14-10-09, 05:49
On Ylipelkonen this is what I found:

Denise :)

Search results (Passport records)
Last name First names Passport date Date of birth Home parish Destination
Ylipelkonen Anders . .1901 . .1861 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Erkki William 22.04.1911 . .1888 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Gabriel 11.03.1898 . .1865 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Impi Maria 06.04.1911 . .1893 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Maria . .1900 . .1880 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Matti 30.12.1909 . .1870 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Matti 30.12.1909 . .1870 Kauhava Amerikka
Ylipelkonen Matts . .1900 . .1868 Kauhava Amerikka
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Search results (Passenger records)
Last name First names Place of destination State Country Date
Ylipelkonen Anton Anyox BC CDN 08.08.1933
Ylipelkonen Anton Kimberley BC CDN 23.01.1929
Ylipelkonen Anttoni St. John NB CDN 23.12.1936
Ylipelkonen Arvi Sudbury ON CDN 99.99.9999
Ylipelkonen Erkki Quebec PQ CDN 07.07.1926
Ylipelkonen Kauno J. Montréal PQ CDN 21.08.1920
Ylipelkonen Kustaa V. Montréal PQ CDN 21.08.1920
Ylipelkonen Matti Girard OH USA 05.01.1910

Roger
14-10-09, 16:26
Hello Denise,
Thank you for your response, but, I already have the information about my grandparents' arrival in America, etc. However, I am attempting to find out if any member "out there" is related to my Kulju, Mustapää, Lesell, and Ylipelkonen ancestors. I would be eager to be able to communicate with them. I appreciate your interest, and, the time you spent responding to my query.

Denise
15-10-09, 14:35
Hi Roger,
I thought if there were details, such as exact birth dates, or date of immigration, it may help others to help you. I have an Elisabet Kulju b.5 Mar.1778 Kourtane, d.12 Apr.1861 married to a Matti En b.22 Sep.1775.

Best Regards,
Denise

Jaska Sarell
15-10-09, 16:20
Do you already have her birth details?
HisKi: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t2927278
FFHA: Kauhava communion book 1869-78 page 132 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kauhava/rippikirja_1869-1878_mko73-106/122.htm)
Her name Susanna Katarina (equals Sanna Kaisa) is faintly in the bottom under twin brother. Her father died 11 Jul 1877 and mother Amalia Jöransdotter/Yrjöntytär (recording language changes to Finnish) Sippola later married Matti Antinpoika Ylipelkonen (b. 10 Jul 1841), hence surname Ylipelkonen.

I have no own interest in Kauhava. Just thought to find that out.
The family appears in Kauhava communion book 1879-88 on page 1157 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=9351&pnum=1055), but you need to be SSHY/FFHA member to see that.

:) Jaska

Roger
16-10-09, 16:54
Jaska,
You have helped clear up a mystery for me! My father, who passed away in 1887, told me that he thought my grandmother Sanna was a Sippola, but, he didn't quite know how she was connected. So, after what you sent, I looked in Hiski, and sure enough, there is Susanna Katarina and twin brother Jöran August, born 7.10.1875 to Johan Henrik Johansson and Amaila Jöransdotter on the Sippola Farm in Kauhava! Also, on Esa Aro's site, he's a genealogist in Kauhava, I found that after Amalia married Matti Antinpoika Ylipelkonen, they had three children. Many years ago, I had tried to find this information, but, I know now I must have been going in the wrong direction. Thank you for your response, I really appreciate it.