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christina
02-01-10, 17:51
Can anyone tell me who Ester is going to visit in Sault Ste Marie MI?

Detailed passenger information
Last name Hellman
First names Ester
Age or age group 17
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Sault Ste. Marie
State of destination MI
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 182
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 18.05.1904
Ship from England Ionian
Date of departure from England 26.05.1904
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 34/69
Remarks *

Hälsningar och Gott Nytt År
Christina Nordback

Denise
02-01-10, 18:40
Hi Christina,
Ellis Island's website http://www.ellisisland.org/ has her passenger record. It appears she is headed for Brooklyn, New York to see a friend Onkel? England.

Best Regards,
Denise

socar
02-01-10, 19:45
Christina..
Ester age 17 arrived in Quebec, Canada on 4 June 1904 going to her father Frans Hellman, Eureka Street, Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan.

Karen Douglas
03-01-10, 15:23
Christina,

Do you know if Ester had any siblings and/or cousins who emigrated to the U.S? The reason I ask, many Swede-Finns came through Sault Ste. Marie from the "Old Country" enroute, by train, to the "Copper Country" of Michigan.

Some of the earliest members of the First Lutheran Church in Dollar Bay, MI, were Eric and Ida Hellman, who were married there on August 15, 1903. Members also included an Edith Hellman, and an Erick and Ida Helman (spelled with one "L.")

Two of my mom and dad's closest friends were the late John Severin Hellman and his wife Matilda ("Tillie") I believe they were both raised in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, but I'm not sure that they were from Dollar Bay.

Karen

Karen Norwillo
03-01-10, 17:23
From Hiski, Pietarssari (Jakobstad)
18.5.1875 Jakobstad, Sjöman Johan Hellman and Anna Johansdotter 29...Esther Maria
17.9.1878, same place and parents...Anna Mathilda
19.3.1881, Jakobstad, Sjöman Johan Daniel Hellman and Anna Johansdotter...Edith Johanna
There were 10 pages of Hellman on Migration Institute, only 5 from Pietarsaari, one going to Afrikka, none of the above Hellman except Esther.
The only Ester Hellman I found in Pietarsaari was born 1875. If she was 17 in 1904, she would have been born about 1887.

Karen Norwillo
03-01-10, 18:48
On Family Search Pilot, there is a marriage for an Esther Irene Hellman and John Algot Nordquist 14 Dec 1916 in Sault Sainte Marie, Chippewa, MI. Groom born 1883 in Finland, bride 1887 in Finland. Groom's parents John Nordquist and Eureka Nordstrom. Bride's parents John Hellman and Cecelia Forsel.
Birth 1918 for daughter Marjorie Isobel Nordquist.
1920 and 1930 Census has the family in Cedarville, Clark Twsp, Mackinac, MI. Esther's emigration date in 1930 says 1904.
There is a Family Tree on Ancestry which sort of matches, but they have John (Johan) Erik Nordqvist 24 Jan 1883 Finland. Died 27 Jun 1973 and Esther Irene Hellman 9 May 1887 Finland, died 7 Jan 1973. Children John Maurice Nordquist and Marjorie Isobel Nordquist. I did not find a birth for the son.

Karen Norwillo
03-01-10, 22:11
I found the son of Ester and John on the next page of that census. Also the father's WWI Draft card. Attached is marriage image. I need to make the marriage image smaller.

Karen Norwillo
03-01-10, 22:17
Here's the image.

christina
03-01-10, 23:11
Carl V. Lillvik (socar).
It is my Ester. Her father Frans Hellman (b. 4 aug. 1862) had emigrated to America 14.5.1888. He was divorced from Esters mother. We have no information what happened to Frans. Can you see if he had lived all the time in Sault Ste Marie? Can you find his date of death? Same relatives told me he changed his name to Frank Nixon and lived in Brooklyn.

Karen.
The Hellman family from Jakobstad is not the same family. The only Hellman who came to USA was Ester and her father Frans . Esters mother Gustava Cecilia Forsell and her second husband Frans Soderlund emigrated 31.5.1905, with their children Edith and Alvar to Sault Ste Marie

Gustava Cecilia Forsell. Born 4 APR 1864 in Västanfjärd. Died 21 MAR 1906 in America. Buried in Sault Ste.Marie, Michigan, USA.
Emigrated to America 31.5.1905.
Married 1st 25 SEP 1884 to
Frans Frithiof Ferdinand Hellman. Born 4 AUG 1862 in Gestersjö, Snappertuna.
Married 2nd 12 APR 1898 to
Frans Alexander Söderlund. Born 13 AUG 1873 in Bromarf. Died 1938 in America. Buried in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, USA
Children in first marriage:
Agnes Gerda Cecilia Hellman. Born 8 MAR 1885 in Bromarf. Died 3 DEC 1967 in Hangö.
Ester Irene Hellman. Born 9 MAY 1887 in Hangö. Died 7 JAN 1973 in in America. Married 14 DEC 1916 to Nordqvist, Johan ( John* ) Erik Algot. Born 24 JAN 1883 in Geta, Åland. Died 27 JUN 1973 in Cedarville, MI, USA.
Children in second marriage:
Edit Alexandra Söderlund. Born 1 APR 1899 in Bromarf. Died 10 JUN 1991. Married 28 SEP 1925 in Sault Ste Marie, MI, USA to Johnson, Carl H.. Born 11 APR 1895 in Michigan, USA. Died 29 AUG 1978 in Redford, Wayne, MI, USA.
Alvar Konstantin (Oliver Constantine) Söderlund (Sutherland). Born 29 MAY 1901 in Bromarf. Died 15 AUG 1986 in Royal Oak, MI, USA. Married to Faunt, Hilda Marie. Born 20 JUN 1910. Died 28 APR 1993.

(Frans Alexander Söderlund is coming alone to USA the first time 19.4.1902, going to Sault Ste Marie (Beaver line). Who is he going to visit??)


Denise.
Can my Ester Hellman be on the Ellis Islands website if she arrived in Quebec, Canada ? Or is it an other Ester Hellman?

Karen Norwillo
Thank you for the images. This is the information I had about Ester:
Ester Irene Hellman. Born 9 MAY 1887 in Hangö. Died 7 JAN 1973 in in America.
Father Frans Frithiof Ferdinand Hellman. Born 4 AUG 1862 in Gestersjö, Snappertuna.
Mother Gustava Cecilia Forsell. Born 4 APR 1864 in Västanfjärd. Died 21 MAR 1906 in America. Buried in Sault Ste.Marie, Michigan, USA.
Married 14 DEC 1916 to
Johan ( John ) Erik Algot Nordqvist. Born 24 JAN 1883 in Geta, Åland. Died 27 JUN 1973 in Cedarville, MI, USA. Father: Nordqvist, John. Born 25 APR 1862 in Geta, Åland. Mother: , Erika Charlotta. Born 3 NOV 1861 in Geta, Åland.
Children:
Marjorie Isabel Nordquist. Born 26 OCT 1917. Died 17 SEP 2006 in Cedarville, MI, USA. Married 18 SEP 1937 to Patrick, Nyle* Steven. Born 25 AUG 1918. Died 7 SEP 1984 in Cedarville, MI, USA.
John Maurice ( Jack) Nordquist. Born 24 JUN 1920. Married 3 OCT 1947 to St.Onge, Leona Mae. Born 4 SEP 1922. Died 22 FEB 2006 in Cedarville, MI, USA.

Thank you all for the information. If you find more info about the father Frans Hellman (Frank Nixon?) I would be glad.

Hälsningar
Christina

socar
04-01-10, 06:11
Christina,
The record of who Frans Hellman was going to in Sault Ste Marie is a little hard to read. The word friend was crossed out and what looks like Bro Wilhelm was added. Did he have brother Wilhelm? I cannot find any other information on him or Frank Nixon.

In 1905 Frank & Cecelia with Edit and Oliver were going to Sault Ste Marie to a friend named Johan Osterlund. The document states that Frank was in Sault Ste Marie 1902 – 1904.

In 1920 Frank was living in Cedarville, Clark Township, Mackinac, Michigan. The 1920 census for Frank A Soderlund has him as age 47 and his wife is shown as Cecelia age 37. The children are Edith A – age 20, Oliver K –age 18, Herbert – age 2 11/12 , Harold age 8/12. By the age difference it is obvious that the Cecelia on the census form could not be Gustava Cecelia. Perhaps Frank and his wife Jennie shown on the 1930 census were not yet married so he gave Cecelia’s name instead or maybe Frank actually had 3 wives or Cecelia the 2nd wife changed her name to Jennie.

In the 1930 census they were still living in Cedarville Michigan. Frank – age 56 with age at 1st marriage as 25 and his wife Jennie age 47 with age at 1st marriage as 31. Herbert age 13 and Harold age 10 are shown.

That's the best I can do. Hope you find it interesting.

christina
04-01-10, 09:50
Thank you Carl, that was very intresting.
Frans Hellman had no brother William, so I don´t know who the friend is.
Cecilia died 21 mars 1906 a year after arrival, and Frans was married again to Jennie Vendelin. I have no dates of birth for her. I didn´t no they had children.

Hälsningar
Christina

christina
04-01-10, 11:41
I found Frans Soderlund and Jennie Vendelin marriage on this site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#start
Frank Loderlund and Genny Vendelin marriage date 16 Aug 1913 Cedarville, Mackinac, MI. Bride´s birth year 1882, Groom´s birthyear 1873.
Hälsningar
Christina

christina
04-01-10, 21:41
In 1905 Frank & Cecelia with Edit and Oliver were going to Sault Ste Marie to a friend named Johan Osterlund.

This friend Johan Osterlund. Was he married to Emilia (Emma) Lindstrom? Did they have a son Anton? Can you find any dates for these people?

Hälsningar
Christina

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 15:55
Christina,
Here is Johan Österlund and his family. I found the emigration and arrival of the family in 1902 and 1903. Looks like Johan came first in 1902 and then Emilia and 4 of the children came in 1903, for some reason Johan Anton arrived separately. He was born in 1888. I found his Draft card and census images. By 1930, John, the father, was widowed. Children Anna, Eva, Emil, Arvid and Johan Anton, the eldest.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 15:58
I'm having trouble posting the images. Keep's telling me I'm not logged on. I'll try again. Post without images went through fine. I have to do in 2 posts.

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 16:01
Here's the rest. You'll see Johan Österlund, the father, was going to a Soderlund in Sault Sainte Marie. In 1903, Johan Anton's passage was paid by father and he's going to father. Wonder why, at 14, he travelled alone?

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 16:21
Here's the 1930 census. John and John Anton on image. There is a grandson living with John Sr, age 15.

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 19:58
On Family Search Pilot, I found the marriage record of John Anton Osterlund on 11 Dec 1913 in Sault Sainte Marie to Alice Johnson 18, daughter of Peter Johnson and Betty Ekstrom.
Also the marriage of Eva Osterlund 1894 Finland and Charles Oscar Beck 1887 Finland on 10 Oct 1916, Sault Sainte Marie. Groom's parents Henry Beck and Anna Erickson

Karen Norwillo
05-01-10, 22:22
I don't know if you have these. In the Cedarville Cemetery are buried
John R Osterlund 1864-1939
Emma E Osterlund 1869-1929
John A Osterlund 1888-1961
Alice Osterlund 1897-1928
So both Emma and Alice died before the 1930 Census.

christina
05-01-10, 22:41
Karen
Thank you very much for all you have sent to me. Very interesting. These peoples were relatives and neigbors from the village Täcktom in Hango.
When the father John Osterlund came in 1902 he was going to a Soderlund in Sault Ste Marie. Can you find Soderlunds first name somewere??

Hälsningar
Christina

Karen Norwillo
06-01-10, 15:04
Christina,
If you look at that manifest, at the top, first name, is Frans Soderlund going to brother Wilhelm in Sault Sainte Marie. Johan's, below, says to cousin ? Soderlund. It looks like Barge or Carge, neither of which make sense. The first letter sort of matches the C in Carl a few names below, but I don't know. I'll see what names I find of Soderlund in SSM or Cedarville.
Karen

christina
07-01-10, 10:36
Thanks Karen.
I´m still looking for Frans Söderlunds parents here in Finland to find out his brothers and sisters.
Can you attach the list of immigration for Ester Hellman ( my first guestion in this tread). Socer wrote she arrived in Quebec, Canada on 4 June 1904 going to her father Frans Hellman, Eureka Street, Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan.
Frans Söderlund was her step-father and was i Sault Ste Marie at that time. Her father Frans Hellman emigrated to USA when Ester was 1 year old (1888) and he never came back home. The mother divorced him and was remarried to Frans Söderlund. So I wonder did Ester really go to visit Frans Hellman or Frans Söderlund ??

Christina

Karen Norwillo
07-01-10, 15:55
Christina,
Here's the manifest for Ester. It definitely says Frans Hellman.

christina
07-01-10, 16:31
Thank you Karen.
I have also found the brother of Frans Söderlund,who he was going to visit in april 1902.

Last name Söderlund
First names Wilhelm
Age or age group 25
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Mackinaw City
State of destination MI
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 257
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 04.01.1902
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line Dominion Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 27/50

can you see in the manifest who this brother Wilhelm (William) was going to visit?
Can I search in the Cemetery of Cedarville and Sault Ste Marie for free in some sites or is it behind password?

Christina

Karen Norwillo
07-01-10, 17:11
The only Wilhelm Söderlund I found a manifest for entered the US through Canada in Oct 1902. It says his last residence was Soo, Canada. He may have landed in Canada and stayed there a few months before crossing into US at Sault Sainte Marie. It does not say who he is going to. It does indicate he is married.
Find A Grave is a free site. You can search by name or cemetery.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

christina
07-01-10, 18:22
Karen. Thank you again. Yes his wife stayed in Finland.
These manifest for entered the US, where do you find them? Is it a free site?

Christina

Karen Norwillo
07-01-10, 19:48
It is from Ancestry.com. It is a subscription site. If you need anything looked up, just ask.
I looked at the Canadian arrival for Wilhelm on the Canadian Archives and he arrived from Liverpool on the Lake Megantic on 14 Oct 1902, destination Sault Sainte Marie. No indication who he is going to. So he didn't land until October. He may have stayed in Liverpool a few months before emigrating.
This is his actual manifest in Quebec.

christina
07-01-10, 21:25
Thank you so much Karen.
I still don´t know when Ester Hellmans husband arrived in USA. I have not find him in the Institute of migration. His dates are:

Johan ( John ) Erik Algot Nordqvist. Born 24.01.1883 in Geta, Åland. Died 27.06.1973 i Cedarville, MI, USA.
Father John Nordqvist. Born 25.04.1862 in Geta, Åland.
Mother Erika Charlotta. Born 03.11.1861 in Geta, Åland.
Married 14.12.1916 to
Ester Irene Hellman. Born 09.05.1887 in Hangö. Died 07.01.1973 in Cedarville, MI, USA.
Children
Marjorie Isabel Nordquist. Born 26.10.1917. Died 17.09.2006 in Cedarville, MI, USA. Married 18.09.1937 to Patrick, Nyle* Steven. Born 25.08.1918. Died 07.09.1984 in Cedarville, MI, USA.
John Maurice ( Jack) Nordquist. Born 24.06.1920. Married 03.10.1947 to St.Onge, Leona Mae. Born 04.09.1922. Died 22.02.2006 in Cedarville, MI, USA.

Hälsningar
Christina

christina
08-01-10, 10:20
Karen.
I found in Ellis islands website Frans Hellman arriving in 1903. His age is not correct, but will you check him in the manifest for entered US.

First Name: Frans
Last Name: Hellman
Ethnicity: Finnish, Finish
Last Place of Residence: Hango
Date of Arrival: Mar 21, 1903
Age at Arrival: 32y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Cedric
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0011

Christina

Karen Norwillo
08-01-10, 17:02
Christina,
I don't think that's the correct Frans Hellman. He's going to Virginia, MN to friend G or J R Bergman. I think the one coming through Canada matches better.
I couldn't find Johan Nordquist/Nordqvist as yet. Census says he came in 1898. He would have been 15 if born 1883 as his SSDI says. Maybe he came in through Canada also. Many who went to MI did.

christina
08-01-10, 18:06
Thank you all. I have lots of more information about the Hellman-Söderlund family now after the discussion here. Frans Hellman will still be a little mystery.

Christina