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goldie
13-01-10, 20:17
I am still looking into my last name of Kivisto and hope someone on here can help me. Where in the family does the name Kivisto come in at? All of this takes place in Hollola Finland unless mentioned otherwise.
This is information I have: Anders Johansson married Eva Gretha Andersdotter they had daughter Anna Lena.
She had the following children: Amanada b. 5-12-1846 d. 6-26-1921 widow. No father listed on her records.
Aarek Jokinen b.12-1-1858 d. 3-29-1931
karl Rikhard b. 9-11-1862 d. 9-22-1867
Juho Kustaa b. 12-17-1851 d 10-10-1923 married Amalia Stjerna.
They had the following:
Juho Fredrik b. 7-5 or 7th-1881 d. 2-23-1961 Eagle River, WI married Josefina
Vihtori b.11-15-1890
Edvard b.6-11-1895
Aaron Kivisto b.3-27-1884 d. 4-2-1965 in Iron River, WI married Emelia Ylinen (these are my great grandparents).
Hugo Jalmari b.1-16-1898 d. 4-3-1972 Hollola Finland.

The reason I am confused now is that yesterday I found the listing on FFHA
for Johan Fredrik born 7-5-1881 and the parents are listed as Johan Gustaf Annasson (illegitimate child when born) wife Amalia Stjerna who was 23 at the time.
Witnesses Johan Alfred Takala and his wife Anna Lovisa. Maid Maria Karolina Andersdotter.
I know Juho Fredrik was a brother to my great grandfather Aaron and went by last name Kivisto. Did Anna have 2 kids out of wedlock?
Am I searching in the place?
Any help or advice would be very appreciated. :)
Goldie

Tapio Rautio
13-01-10, 21:38
Hello!

I cannot help You with Kivistö, but was Anna Lena Andersdaughter
b.24.10.1825 ever married? Seems like all four of her children had no father.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/syntyneet_1858-1883_mko77-87/10.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/syntyneet_1858-1883_mko77-87/49.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1850-1860_tk297-298/516.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1850-1860_tk298/301.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1840-1850_tk296_rk28/345.htm



Kind regards

Tapio

goldie
13-01-10, 22:55
Thank you for the information. I was given some papers with her name on it that said she died in unmarried state.
Thanks again.
Goldie

Jaska Sarell
13-01-10, 23:16
Later birth records (1884-1905) for Hollola are also available at FFHA, but for members only.

Aaron's name is written as Arndt, which is very odd name. His parents recorded like those of Johan Fredrik.
Recording language changed from Swedish to Finnish in 1885.
Viktor's parents listed as Juho Kustaa Leenanp and Amalia Stjerna
Edvard's parents listed as Kusta Annanp and Amalia Antint
Hugo Hjalmar's parents listed as Kusta Kivistö and wife Amalia

It seems that Johan Gustaf (fi Juho Kustaa) started to use surname Kivistö some time between 1895 and 1898.
Also you may figure that Amalia's father was Anders (Antti) Stjerna.

:) Jaska

Tapio Rautio
13-01-10, 23:38
It´s always a little bit sad, when one doesn´t get to follow
the fatherline in ones ancestors...

But there is still so much more to find. :)

Maybe You found it out all, allready?

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1840-1850_tk296_rk28/345.htm

In this picture Anna Lenas parents, but also her fathers mother Anna Johansdr
b. 09.01.1771 d. 22.07.1847.



Tapio

goldie
14-01-10, 18:57
Thank you for the help with all of this. I was wondering if I can ask for help with the site you listed above? Can you fill in any blanks on this? If I have anything wrong please correct me.This is what I have:
Kuva 345 Okerois village, Sippala farm
Widower Anders Johans son 1794
his wife Eva Gretha Andersdr Myysa
Farm hand Carl Gustaf
son Anders Yak Anderss 1813
son Fredrik Andersson 1821
son-in-law Fredrik Ros____ 1810
wife Eva Sofia Andersdr 1816
dr Anna Lena Andersdr 1825
Anna Sofia Andersdr 1783
Gustaf ____________ 1809
Wilhelmina Pehrson 1814
The farm hand is not related to anyone mentioned correct?
I see 1850 a couple of times, but can't make out what it is all about.
Thank you again for taking the time to help not only me, but others that you help on here.
Goldie

Tapio Rautio
14-01-10, 21:25
Thank You for the thanking, Goldie:)

I´ll try to fill in what i can see, i´m only a beginner myself, in
reading all the details in these old records.


Kuva 345 (original 339) Okerois village, Sippala farm
Widower Anders Johans son (13/11) 1794 (in hiski 23/11) (to page 337)
his wife Eva Gretha Andersdr Myysa (22.11.1789) (death 24.04.1845)
Farm hand Carl Gustaf (moves to Orimattila 01.12.1847)
son Anders Yak (Johan) Anderss (21.12)1813 (moves somewhere 30.12.1843)
son Fredrik Andersson (15.12)1821
son-in-law Fredrik Rosen(blad) (16.02)1810 (to page 341)
wife Eva Sofia Andersdr (18.12)1816
dr Anna Lena Andersdr (24.10)1825 (to page 7)
(Anders-94, mother, Anna Johansdr 09.01.1771 death 22.07.1847)
Anna Sofia Andersdr (13.09.)1783 (Eva Grethas sister)
Gustaf (Palander) (16.09) 1809
(wife) Wilhelmina Pehrson 1814
The farm hand is not related to anyone mentioned correct? (I think so too, Palander and his wife neither)
I see 1850 a couple of times, but can't make out what it is all about. (Many small crimes registered on this page with small text)



From hiski Hollola:

Marriage:
27.12.1812 Okerois Kartano Bde s. Anders Johansson Bde dr Eva Marg. And. dr Okerois Sippola
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1818-1828_tk294/33.htm
Birth:
21.12.1813 23.12.1813 Okerois Sippola Bd: måg: And: Joh: sson Eva Andersdr 24 år And. Joh:
18.12.1816 20.12.1816 Okerois Seppälä vd: And: Johanss: Eva Marg: Andersdr 22 år Eva Sofia
13.3.1819 14.3.1819 Okerois Sippala Bd: And: Johansson Eva Margar: And: dr 30 år Mathias
15.12.1821 22.12.1821 Okerois Sippala Bd: And: Johansson Eva Marg: Andersdr 30 år Fredric
24.10.1825 30.10.1825 Ockerois Sippala Bd: Anders Johanss: Eva Gretha And: dr 36 år Anna Helena
19.8.1829 21.8.1829 Ylä Okerois Sippala Bd: Anders Johanss: Eva Marg: And: dr 40 år Maria Margaretha




Marriage:
26.12.1793 Åkerois Lb. ungk. Johan Johansson Pig. Anna Johansdr Åkerois
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1795-1800_tk292_i/26.htm
Birth:
23.11.1794 24.11.1794 Åkerois Sipilä Lb. Johan Johanss. Anna Johansdr Andreas
15.6.1809 16.6.1809 Åkerois Sipilä Johan Johansson Anna Johansdr 29 år Johannes



Marriage:
9.2.1778 Åkerois Sippola Uk: Anders Mattsson P: Ulrica Gustafsdr Heilambi Mattila
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/hollola/rippikirja_1795-1800_tk292_i/17.htm

Birth:
16.9.1778 20.9.1778 Åkerois Sippala Anders Matsson Ulrica Gustafsdr: Matheus
2.4.1780 5.4.1780 Åkerois Sippala Anders Mattsson Ulrica Gustafsdr: Gustavus
2.11.1781 4.11.1781 Åkerois Sippala Anders Matsson Ulrica Gustafsdr: Anna
13.9.1783 16.9.1783 Åkerois Sippala Bd. Anders Matss. Ulrica Gust. dr 30 år Ana Sophia
29.10.1786 30.10.1786 Åkerois Sippala Wärd. Anders Matss. Ulrica Gust. dr 33 år Ulrica
22.11.1789 23.11.1789 Åkerois Sippala Bd. s. Anders Matss. Ulrica Gust. dr 35 år Eva Margaretha






Tapio

Tapio Rautio
14-01-10, 21:42
Jaska wrote:
"Aaron's name is written as Arndt, which is very odd name. "


I think this is because of the swedish noblesse,
who lived in Hollola, many of them high rank soldiers....?

62 matches on Arndt, in hiski Hollola.


Tapio

Jaska Sarell
14-01-10, 22:21
Jaska wrote:
"Aaron's name is written as Arndt, which is very odd name. "

I think this is because of the swedish noblesse,
who lived in Hollola, many of them high rank soldiers....?

62 matches on Arndt, in hiski Hollola.

Tapio

I see. And HisKi births of Hollola extend only to 1850! Other concentration of Arndt names in Kärkölä and Juva seem to be mostly later.

Arndt Johan von Hausen at Mukkula manor (Finnish Wikipedia (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukkulan_kartano)) may be the person behind the popularity.

:) Jaska

goldie
14-01-10, 22:57
Wow!!!!! Thank you both very much for all the information. Tapio, for a beginner you are very good.
Goldie

Tapio Rautio
14-01-10, 23:34
Goldie, those who have been doing this for decades, have
skills to read even the small text in this page discussioned!!

The text in the older records gets more difficult, the older they get.

To me it seems like the crimes mentioned in this document, are just minor thieving?

I have had genealogy for a hobby for about 6-7 years, but still i have
so much to learn, and that´s the fun of it all. :)


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
14-01-10, 23:50
Jaska, i connected some of the swedish pop star,
Magnus Ugglas ancestors to Finland, for the fun of it.
Therefore i had some Hollola in my collection.

Magnus is fifth cousin, five times removed,
to the Ugglas born in Hollola.

What a important fact to be aware of! :)))

Tapio

June Pelo
15-01-10, 01:45
Goldie, those who have been doing this for decades, have
skills to read even the small text in this page discussioned!!


I have had genealogy for a hobby for about 6-7 years, but still i have
so much to learn, and that´s the fun of it all. :)

Tapio

Tapio,
I've been working with genealogy for over 40 years, and I'm still learning.. :)

Tapio Rautio
15-01-10, 08:31
June, i raise my hat for Your work! :)

Tapio

June Pelo
15-01-10, 18:33
June, i raise my hat for Your work! :)

Tapio

Thanks, Tapio. I appreciate the help you've given me in the past.

goldie
26-01-10, 19:25
I need to ask for more help on the name Kivisto. I'm sorry for being a pest on this.
I always thought Anna Lena was the mother of Juho Kustaa b. 12-17-1851 d 10-10-1923 married Amalia Stjerna. Parents of Aaron (Arndt) Kivisto b.3-27-1884 d. 4-2-1965 in Iron River, WI married Emelia Ylinen (these are my great grandparents).
But someone in another branch of the family said the following is right: Johan Gustafss Kivisto born 23 Feb 1863 in Hollola. But he has parents: Gustaf Karlsson Kivisto and Anna Lisa Andersdr age 33. This would have her born in 1830. But that is all the information they have as of now.
Which one is right? Thanks again for the help.
Goldie

Jaska Sarell
26-01-10, 20:12
I figure the first information is correct according to the naming of father in birth records of the siblings. He was called either Anna's son or Lena's son, before he started to use Kivistö name.

:) Jaska

goldie
27-01-10, 00:29
Thank you very much.
Goldie

finn-fellow
27-05-10, 12:18
Hi goldie, i`m astouded, it sounds more and moor exiting. Well- by the way, following information is right: Anna Lena
(Anna Helena Anders dr) was the mother of Juho Kustaa
married Amalia Stjerna. Parents of Aret Kivisto d.4-2-1965
I know also that his brother Juho Fredrik b. 7-5-1881 went
to USA 1902
Then let me make it clear - I know it exactly.
Aarek (should dread Aaret) Jokinen b. 12-1-1858 was my
grandfather.
I am very pleased to be of service if my experience can be
of any help.
Best regards

goldie
27-05-10, 19:24
Hello,
Wow!!! I am so glad to hear from you. Whatever information you can tell me on the family I would love to hear. The only information I have on Aaret Jokinen is that he was married twice.
Just some of the questions I have is, did Anna ever marry? What last name did those in Finland take? If I can help fill in the blanks with those in USA I will do what I can. You are also more than welcome to email me privatly.
Thank you so much for getting in touch with me. Welcome to the forum.
Goldie