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BeverlyCooper
31-03-10, 02:38
I am helping an elderly gentleman search for his Finish roots. All he knows is that his grandfather was John Luoma b. 14 Feb. 1858 in Vasalani, Finland. There is a WWI Draft Registration form for one of John's sons Elmer Alexander Luoma b. 13 Aug. 1899 that states his father was born in Deuva, Vasalani, Finland. Is there such a place or is this most likely Teuva, Vasa Province, Finland. John's immigration date is given as 1885, 1894 and 1889 in various census. We believe the most accurate date is abt. 1885.

Selma Ratika b. 1876 in Dervole, Finland is the grandmother. Does anyone have any idea if there ever was a place called Dervole or what this place might actually be called. I think a bit of Americanized spelling may be involved in these place names.

Thanks
Beverly

BeverlyCooper
31-03-10, 07:20
These are the children of JOHN LUOMA born 14 February 1858 in Vasa Lan, Finland; died 5 August 1941 in Leadville, Colorado.
He married SELMA RATIKA. Selma died abt.1905-1910

1. LYDIA LUOMA, b. 1894 in South Dakota; d. 1894 in South Dakota.

2. ALMA ELIZABETH LUOMA b. May 14, 1895 in South Dakota; d. July 07, 1977 in Sacramento, California; m. CLAUDE MADERA.

3. ELMER ALEXANDER LUOMA b. October 11, 1896 in Leadville, Colorado; d. 1936 in Salt Lake City, Utah.

4. JOHAN HJALMAR LUOMA, b. August 13, 1899 in Leadville, Colorado; d. November 30, 1943 in Leadville, Colorado. m. Viola A, Kangas

5. SELMA MARIANA LUOMA, b. August 13, 1899 in Leadville, Colorado; d. 1902in Leadville, Colorado.

6. HILIA ESTHER LUOMA, b. January 01, 1902 in Leadville, Colorado; d. December 11, 1988 in Sacramento, California.

7. ENIO SYLVESTER LUOMA, b. December 21, 1904 in Leadville, Colorado; d. May 16, 1969 in Leadville, Colorado.

Kuhlberg
31-03-10, 10:28
Hello Beverly!

'Selma Ratika' and 'Dervole' is challenging enough! Could it be Selma Ratikka and Tervola? Tervola is a parish in Finnish Lappland and situated not far from the towns Rovaniemi and Kemi.

In general, there seems to have been a very limited number of people with the surname Ratikka in Finland. One of the few I found on Hiski was one Olof Ratikka, to whom a daughter was born in 1857 in Tervola. Unfortunately, HisKi records of Tervola do not cover the year when Selma was born.

Could this be a starting point?

Best wishes,

Göran Kuhlberg

Kuhlberg
31-03-10, 11:54
Hello again!

The surname in question should be spelled Raatikka. I looked up what www.digiarkisto.org had to offer on Tervola and made some interesting discoveries. Tervola is well covered in that digital archive and these are my findings: In the village Yli-Paakkola we find the farms Yli-Raatikka, Keski-Raatikka and Ali-Raatikka (Over-Raatikka, Middle-Raatikka and Under-Raatikka respectively). One daughter Selma is to be found on these farms! Here is the link to Ali-Raatikka (I hope it works!): http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=4426&pnum=123.

The daughter Selma Elisabet Ali-Raatikka born on 18.12.1869 could be the person Selma Ratika you are looking for! The birthdate [8.12.1869] on the communion book page is incorrect, I checked with the birth records of 1869. We can also see, that she had not emigrated before the year 1890.

According to this, Selma was born in 1869 and not in 1876! I hope you can find a way to make sure if we have found the right person or not.

Best wishes,

Göran

Jaska Sarell
31-03-10, 12:30
I tried to look at two possible Johans from Teuva, but with no real luck.

1. There's Johan Henrik Henriksson (Juha Heikki Heikinpoika) born on 14 February 1858 at Kråka (Krooka) farm. He lives there with family yet in 1900. Ref. FFHA page (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=10447&pnum=374) (image (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/teuva/rippikirja_1891-1900_mko233-247/kuvat/374.jpg))

2. There's Johan Andersson (Juha Antinpoika) born on 16 January 1858 at Djupbäck (Syväluoma) farm. His family lives there yet in 1900. Ref. FFHA page (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=10447&pnum=407) (image (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/teuva/rippikirja_1891-1900_mko233-247/kuvat/407.jpg)). He himself had gone to America after 1887. Ref. FFHA page (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=10445&pnum=88) (image (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/teuva/rippikirja_1881-1890_mko200-216/kuvat/88.jpg)). There's some crime record reference (#386) for him.

First Johan born on exactly the given doesn't match, the second from Syväluoma that could have been shortened to Luoma, requires a mismatch in birthday, but also bigamy :eek: Though these happened, that's maybe not the most likely option.

As the referred FFHA pages are for members only, I included links to the actual images which should open to non-members as well.

:) Jaska

Kuhlberg
31-03-10, 13:08
Hello agin!

This is the communion book page I referred to! The link does not work for non-members.

Göran

Denise
31-03-10, 18:06
Hi Beverly,
From the Institute of Migration I found the following records on the name Raatikka which may help you with your search.

Happy Easter,
Denise

Detailed information (Reference records)
Last name: Raatikka
First names: Matti
Other name: *
Date of birth: 03.09.1871
Place of birth: Tervola
State of birth: OU
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: 19.01.1951
Place of death: Paddock
State of death: MN
Country of death: USA
References: Kirkollinen Kalenteri 1955: 212 (Muistosanoja vainajista).
Remarks: LS: > 1889 Champion, MI, USA. KS: > Tower, MN, USA > Paddock, MN, USA. Pso: Edla Maria Komppa. Vih: 3.5.1894. Lapset: Lydia (mrs. Walter P. Paurus), Wäinö, Jalmer, Matt, Mary, Richard, Elma ja Mildred (mrs. Hilbert Sammeli). Sisar: Ida Koskela, MI.

Detailed information (Reference records)
Last name: Raatikka
First names: Edla Maria
Other name: Komppa
Date of birth: 17.04.1872
Place of birth: Leivonmäki
State of birth: MIK
Country of birth: SF
Date of death: 24.11.1953
Place of death: Paddock
State of death: MN
Country of death: USA
References: Kirkollinen Kalenteri 1955: 212 (Muistosanoja vainajista).
Remarks: LS: > 1886 Paddock, MN, USA, vanh. kanssa > SF > 1891 Paddock, MN, USA. Pso: Matti Raatikka. Vih: 3.5.1894. Lapset: Lydia (mrs. Walter P. Paurus), Wäinö, Jalmer, Matt, Mary, Richard, Elma ja Mildred (mrs. Hilbert Sammeli).

Detailed information (Reference records)
Last name: Raatikka
First names: Jalmer Evert
Other name: *
Date of birth: 10.03.1899
Place of birth: *
State of birth: *
Country of birth: USA
Date of death: 08.02.1964
Place of death: Sebeka
State of death: MN
Country of death: USA
References: - Siirtokansan Kalenteri 1965: 152 (Muistokirjoitus, kuva). [Tall: Leena Salonen.]
Remarks: KS: Paddock, MN, USA. Vanh: Matt ja Edla Raatikka. Pso: Mary Hepola. Lapset: Hilda Mary, Alice Swann, Douglas.

Detailed passport information
Last name Raatikka
First names Juho Emil
Other names *
Date of birth 13.06.1889
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Itsell.
Home parish Tervola
Province OU
Passport date 06.08.1907
Passport number 1535
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by OU
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Raatikka
First names Maria Eveliina Juhont.
Other names *
Date of birth 12.07.1882
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Tervola
Province OU
Passport date 10.06.1904
Passport number 513
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by OU
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Raatikka
First names Johan E.
Age or age group 17
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Quebec
State of destination PQ
Country of destination CDN
Price of ticket USD 41
Ship from Finland Astraea
Date of departure from Finland 10.08.1907
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line C.P.R. Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 59/45
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Raatikka
First names Matt
Age or age group 66
Port of departure Helsinki
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 104
Ship from Finland Aallotar
Date of departure from Finland 17.09.1938
Ship from England Samaria
Date of departure from England 23.09.1938
Ocean Line Cunard/White S.
Port of departure in England Liverpool
List and page 135/4
Remarks Hinta!

BeverlyCooper
31-03-10, 18:33
Thanks everyone. This family is a bit of a mystery.

Selma died sometime between 21 Dec 1904 (birth date of last child Eino Sylvester) and 1910 in Leadville, Colorado. In the 1910 Census John Louma was a widow. The family does not seem to be listed in the 1900 census so we have very little information on Selma. The family does not have a marriage or death record for her so I will see if Colorado had death records for these years. Selma Ala-Raatikka b. Tervola seems like a very good possibility. I just wish her name showed up in the Migration Institute records after 1889.

What might be some other possibilities for the Americanized name Luoma? Do you have access to the birth records for Teuva to see if there is any John/Johan/Johannes born 14 Feb. 1858. I will try and find out where the family found John’s birthdate. He died 5 Aug 1941 in Leadville, Colorado.
The census birth years and immigration dates for John Luoma are all different.
1910 shows abt.1859 immigrated abt. 1885
1920 shows abt. 1867 immigrated abt. 1894
1930 shows abt. 1865 immigrated abt. 1889

christina
31-03-10, 18:59
Do you have access to the birth records for Teuva to see if there is any John/Johan/Johannes born 14 Feb. 1858.

Johan Henrik b.14 February 1858 in Teuva. Parents bonden Henrik Andersson Kråka, hustru Lisa Carlsdotter
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/teuva/syntyneet_1855-1864_uk194/31.htm You don´t need any password for these sites.

I found a passport for Selma Mäkiraatikko from Tervola, probably not the right one

Last name Mäkiraatikko
First names Selma Eriika
Other names *
Date of birth 25.05.1887
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. tr
Home parish Tervola
Province OU
Passport date 12.08.1903
Passport number 1663
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by OU
Remarks *


Detailed passenger information

Last name Mäkiraatikko
First names Selma
Age or age group 1N
Port of departure Helsinki
Place of destination New York
State of destination NY
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 190
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 19.08.1903
Ship from England Cedric
Date of departure from England 28.08.1903
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 33/55
Remarks *



Regards
Christina

Jaska Sarell
31-03-10, 19:15
Original birth records for Teuva are freely available at FFHA site and year 1858 starts here (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/teuva/syntyneet_1855-1864_uk194/30.htm).
I already ruled out the Johan Henrik b. 14 February at Kråka :(
There might be a larger error in birthday (even in year), which makes him very hard to find. Are there any known relatives that also emigrated?

:) Jaska

BeverlyCooper
31-03-10, 20:06
None that I am aware of but I will ask again.
Thanks
Beverly

christer
04-04-10, 14:58
Hi Bev
I searched thru Teuva communion book 1881-1890 and did not find any other Johan /Johannes born Feb 14 1858 than this Johan Henrik Kråka but he married June 20 1880 Maja Lisa Michelsdotter b.March 3 1855 and there is no mentions about emigration before 1900 atleast so i think we can drop him.Luoma surname was not found inTeuva church book until period 1891-1900 but none of these match John Luoma.Have to take a look at the passport rolls at Vasa landsarkiv, gonna be a lot of names to check during the period 1885-1895 so it will take some time.
christer

BeverlyCooper
07-04-10, 02:47
Hello Christer,
The family I am working with are going to try to get the death records for Johan and Selma Luoma from Leadville, Colorado. I think you might want to wait before searching the emigration records until I can get more accurate dates. I will get back to you on this when I have copies of the records.
Thanks everyone.
Beverly