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gtapper
21-07-10, 14:02
Hello, new to the forums and looking for finnish ancestors. I joined because i can't find a finnish connection or maybe i'm not looking in the right spot here's what i have

John Tapperi born feb 4th 1846 in Liahualla, Waasa La,ni, Finland
Marriage to Mary Watilo born on Oct 27th 1846 in Finland

they had 4 kids, John Jr, Wilma, Lizzie and Mary all born in finland and came over to houghton county michigan sometime between 1885 and 1900.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

Karen Norwillo
21-07-10, 17:16
Welcome to Finlander. What exactly are you hoping to find? It helps others in helping you if we know what you hope to learn. Let us know exactly what info you have already so we don't repeat what you know
Karen:) .

gtapper
21-07-10, 17:55
Hi Karen, thanks for the welcome. I'm looking for help finding family ancestors from finland. We have a lot of info from the usa side of things but nothing on the finnish side. as of now we dont even know the boat name the came over on, if tapperi is the original last name, if there are other ancestors still living in finland, etc etc. We have John Tapperi Sr's death cert from here in michigan where he died and it does not give his parents names or where he immigrated from in finland.

Karen Norwillo
21-07-10, 18:27
I found your family on Ancestry in 1900,1910,1920 census. I also found the marriage record of 2 of the children, Mary and Lizzie. I found John Jr's death info on Family Search LDS. He died 23 Dec 1935 in Glendale, Scott, MN at age 58. MN Deaths & Burials 1835-1990. Do you have the census images?
Mary Tapperi, 24, born 1874 Finland, married Charles Manninen, 30, born 1868 Finland, married 23 Apr 1898 Opechee, Houghton, MI. Groom's parents Jacob Manninen, mother unknown. Bride's parents John and Maria Tapperi.
Lizzie Tapperi 18, 1878 Finland, married John Michaelson 19, 1877 Calumet,MI. on 18 Sep 1896 in Calumet, Houghton, MI. Groom's parents Mike Michaelson and Greeta Kelloniemi. Bride's parents John Tapperi and Maria Watilo.
Also found the birth of one of John Jr and Aurora Tapperi's children. Mamie F Tapperi born 10 Nov 1902 in Adams township, Houghton, MI
Are you sure about the spelling of Johan's birthplace? I can't find anything like that. There is a Laihela parish in Vaasa län. I did not find the Tapperi name there.

gtapper
21-07-10, 19:27
Karen, you are on the right track. We have found that same info for the usa side thru ancestry.com and have all the images. we are unsure of the spelling of the original town, this is what we are trying to find out and why i joined the forum. i have gotten as far as you just did and can't find the correct info to track in finland. Everything in the usa reads our last name as either tapperi or tapper but can't make a finnish connection.

Karen Norwillo
21-07-10, 20:00
I found Watilo in Laihela parish, so this may be the correct one. I will look for births on there and on FFHA.

Tapio Rautio
22-07-10, 20:10
Hi!

No Tapperi found but Maria Watilo with her family here:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1859-1865_uk101-102/551.htm

:)

Tapio

Jaska Sarell
22-07-10, 21:20
Previous book page 287 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1852-1858_uk100-101/307.htm) has clearer birthday markings for Maria's parents Anders Jakobsson (16 Jun 1819) and Maria Mattsdotter (3 Jul 1817).
These births can even be found in HisKi:
Anders: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t4158097
Maria: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t4157814

Daughter Maria's original christening record is the third on this page (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/syntyneet_1846-1876_uk103-104/13.htm).

:) Jaska

Tapio Rautio
22-07-10, 22:28
So Maria and Johan Tapperis marriage is 1865-1874, but where?

There are some Tapperis in Isokyrö, neighboring parish, but there is no index at FFHA,
a lot of pictures to go thru, one after the other...


:)

Tapio

gtapper
23-07-10, 00:49
Thanks for the info everyone, i dont quite understand how to looks thru the finnish records yet but with these links it's helpful.

Tapio where can i start looking for the marriage records of maria and john?

Marriage year should be around 1871 according to the us census records we have.

gtapper
23-07-10, 02:39
Started looking over the books from isokyro and found this page

[http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/syntyneet_1874-1884_mko79-83/41.htm

on the top right 1st person is of my interest

john tapperi and mary watilo had a son john II born in feb 1879 according to our records.

What does this finnish record read? i see some common names to me in John, maria and laihela. wondering if its related?

also how do you read the 3 numbers on the left 9 13 30?

Tapio Rautio
23-07-10, 08:06
Hi!

Here´s that family in the communionbook:

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1872-1881_mko242-271/396.htm



Tapio

gtapper
23-07-10, 13:03
Hi Tapio,

good find there, am i correct to say that tapperi is listed as Rapp there?

Johannes Rapp listed there is my great great grandfather, along with maria my great great grand mother and johannes my great grand father.

Tapio Rautio
23-07-10, 19:43
Hi G!

9 is the birthday, 13 baptismday and 30 is the age of the mother.
After Johan and Maria there is the godparents Johan Jacobsson Rinta and
Lisa Henriksdr.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/muuttaneet_1872-1883_mko3/4.htm
Here the family Rapp is moving from Laihia to Isokyrö, on the left 23 april 1873
1 male 2 female.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/muuttaneet_1872-1883_mko3/16.htm
Here the Rapps move back to Laihia, on the right 14 april 1878 2 male 2 female.

I didn´t find the marriage in Laihia, many pictures are too blur. I don´t see Johans birth in 1846 either...


Tapio

gtapper
24-07-10, 23:15
Hi Tapio,

was i correct that this is one of my family?

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/syntyneet_1874-1884_mko79-83/41.htm

i'm still looking in the records to find johannes born 1846 as well.

Tapio Rautio
25-07-10, 09:37
Yes, i think it is correct.

However the record of the marriage, would make it 100%.


Tapio

gtapper
30-07-10, 23:45
Still no luck on finding john's birth record or a emigrant record. So far i've searched ellis island, ancestry and finnish institute of migration records and haven't come up with anything. i see a maria tapperi at the finnish institute in the passport records but can't access the info. where else can i look or am i stuck looking thru ship records for a name?

kivinen1
31-07-10, 07:45
Did you try the newest LDS site?

It is similar to their old one, but seems to have fewer "mistakes".

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

gtapper
02-08-10, 21:12
Tapio, i have a record i could use some help on. Looking for john tapperi born 1846 and i came across this from isokyro

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/syntyneet_1840-1850_uk16-17/88.htm

The bottom left, i see the name rinta which was a god parent of john jr from what you told me earlier. is this record anything?

Tapio Rautio
02-08-10, 23:54
G, i am truly so happy, because i can see that You are really
putting a lot of effort to peek in these old records! :)

Johan, out of wedlock, can be seen here:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1846-1850_uk12-13_i/52.htm

Came from page 702, went to page 297.


:)

Tapio

Tapio Rautio
03-08-10, 09:49
Hi!

Many links, i will try to put them in timeline.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1846-1850_uk12-13_i/52.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1846-1850_uk12-13_i/259.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1846-1850_uk13_ii/266.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1851-1857_uk13-14/330.htm

Isokyrö - Storkyro - married


Announc. Married Village Farm Man Wife Village Farm

22.5.1852 13.6.1852 Laihela Socken f.d. Matrosen Johan Jakobsson Rappi Sytn.m.D:r Lisa Mickels d:r Korpi Orismala Liimakka


http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/muuttaneet_1851-1857_mko180/4.htm
(The right side outmovers nr.11)

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1858-1864_uk14-15/334.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1872-1881_mko242-271/396.htm



Tapio

Tapio Rautio
03-08-10, 10:47
The Rapp family in Laihia:

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1852-1858_uk100-101/455.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1852-1858_uk100-101/411.htm

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1859-1865_uk101-102/183.htm



:)


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
03-08-10, 11:22
You can´t get any further back on Johan 1846,
but you have much to find in Ilmajoki on his mothers side.

:)


Tapio

gtapper
04-08-10, 03:25
Tapio, Wow!

ok let me go over these and i'm sure i will have questions for you!

Thanks

Heikki
13-09-10, 18:44
In Saarijärvi born famous brothers Tapper ( Kain, Yrjö, Marko and Harri), theis father Vihtori is from Pohjanmaa.

gtapper
15-09-10, 01:08
i think those brothers are of no relation. although i'm still wondering where our last name came from. i see the last name of tapper here above john's family...is that of relation?

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isokyro/rippikirja_1846-1850_uk12-13_i/259.htm

Watilo
20-09-18, 05:23
[QUOTE=Jaska Sarell;30647]Previous book page 287 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laihia/rippikirja_1852-1858_uk100-101/307.htm) has clearer birthday markings for Maria's parents Anders Jakobsson (16 Jun 1819) and Maria Mattsdotter (3 Jul 1817).
These births can even be found in HisKi:
Anders: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t4158097
Maria: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t4157814

Hei!
Matti is my gg-grandfather who came to the US in 1887. His first wife, Maria died of consumption soon after immigrating and their children's descendants are mostly in California. His 2nd Wife, Edla, my tree, are based primarily in the the PNW. I found his 1887 passport this summer in a 1873 bible. :)
His brother Anders family settled in MN/WI area.

Br,
Josh