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Lankakerä
02-11-10, 21:07
I'm trying to find out, if I have any relatives in America, since my grandfather's father moved there (supposedly). I don't have much info, but here are the facts:

First Name: Gustaf, or something similar like Kustav
Last name: Bergenheim (also heard about Vaellus)
Lived in: Jalasjärvi

Left Jalasjärvi during/after 1888 and was travelling with at least one of his children, but more likely there were more, and all of them would have been born before 1886, names are un-know.

He left his wife and three children in Finland and one of those children might have been called Samuel Neiro (sp?), so the other siblings might have shared the same last name.

I have also heard that Gustaf might have been born in Germany, even though the name Bergenheim is very Swedish.

I've looked through the Jalasjärvi church records, but haven't seen the name Bergenheim mentioned.

Any help would be very much appreciated. :)

June Pelo
02-11-10, 23:32
I checked HisKi and there were 11 parishes with 25 Bergenheim names. There were several with names of Gustaf. Do you have a general idea when he was born? It's possible he lived in Jalasjärvi, but was born elsewhere. For example, I found Gustaf, b. 12 Jan 1840 in Åbo to Edvard Bergenheim; Gustaf, b. 21 Apr 1803 in Vasa to Anders Johan Bergenheim; Sveaborg= Gustaf Adolf b. 30 Apr 1859 to Johan Bergenheim; Sund = Gustaf Emanuel, b. 29 Dec 1872 to Fredrik Bergenheim.

Lankakerä
03-11-10, 00:13
Considering that the siblings, who went to America with him, were born before the year 1886, I think that Gustaf must have been born before/at the latest 1868. That's the best guess I can come up with.

Hasse
03-11-10, 14:30
The Bergenheim - and Bergenhem family name points to Sweden mostly. Erik Johan Bergenhem was raised into nobility in 1812 with the name Bergenheim, lived in Vasa. Most of the Bergenhem:s continued using Bergenhem.

This according to the Bergenheim family association web page: "...Den finländska adliga ätten Bergenheim härstammar från Erik Johan Bergenhem, som var president i Vasa hovrätt i dåvarande storfurstendömet Finland. Han adlades av den ryske tsaren 1812."
...
"...Sannolikt är alla som heter Bergenhem/Bergenheim och bor i Sverige släkt med varandra..."

http://scheelebergenheim.org/

Hasse

Lankakerä
04-11-10, 12:28
Hasse, thank you for the link, I'll look into it even though my Swedish is a bit "rusty".

I read somewhere that people often changed their last name, because it was more like an additional name based on where they lived than official last name, is this true? I'll go through those church records again and try to find as many Gustafs as possible amongst those who moved to Jalasjärvi.

Hasse
04-11-10, 16:13
Hasse, thank you for the link, I'll look into it even though my Swedish is a bit "rusty".

I read somewhere that people often changed their last name, because it was more like an additional name based on where they lived than official last name, is this true? I'll go through those church records again and try to find as many Gustafs as possible amongst those who moved to Jalasjärvi.

I wouldn't be surprised if this family kept their surname if their ancestor maybe two generations before them was given nobility status. Otherwise it is correct that the ordinary people in western Finland was recognized by the place they were living, thus the "surname" was changed if they movew from homestead to homestead.

Btw - you can find loads of articles - also around the topic of naming conventions - on the SFHS website here (http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Category:Articles_by_June_Pelo).

June Pelo
04-11-10, 16:19
In Finland a person had his name plus a patronymic which consisted of his father's first name and attached -son to it. In addition, farm people added the name of the farm or place where they lived. So your Gustaf would have had a patronymic plus a farm name or he may have kept the Bergenheim name. Do you have any old papers, documents, books, which may have shown his name or given an indication of his birth date. How do you know he moved to the US - do you have some evidence? How about an obituary? Do you have any information about his descendants such as names or dates, places? You could also contact the Jalasjärvi church here:
http://www.evl.fi/sertika/perus/jalasjarvenseurakunta_fi.htm

Lankakerä
04-11-10, 19:30
I think one of Gustaf's children was named Maija Kaisa (stayed in Finland) and the only Maija Kaisa, whose father's name is Gustaf, so far, is this one:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/syntyneet_1874-1884_mko42-49/21.htm

The last name is very hard to read, but do you happen to know what f 285 means?

It is really hard trying to find out more about these people, since they weren't talked about much after they left, maybe not at all. I think his wife and kids were ashamed for/envied them for leaving to the USA. I'm pretty sure that there was no contact after that.

I'll contact the Jalasjärvi church, since the only name I'm sure about and whose birth year I do know, isn't online yet. For now, it seems that the name Bergenheim can be forgotten.

And thanks again for those links Hasse and June, I'm new in this business, so I don't know much yet.

Jaska Sarell
04-11-10, 20:03
I think one of Gustaf's children was named Maija Kaisa (stayed in Finland) and the only Maija Kaisa, whose father's name is Gustaf, so far, is this one:
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/syntyneet_1874-1884_mko42-49/21.htm

The last name is very hard to read, but do you happen to know what f 285 means?

Last name is Ryssy (here with genitive s), f 285 refers to communion book sheet (sw. folie) number 285: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/rippikirja_1875-1884_mko64-86/282.htm



I'll contact the Jalasjärvi church, since the only name I'm sure about and whose birth year I do know, isn't online yet.
FFHA has Jalasjärvi birth records until early 1906, but from 1885 onwards for members only.

:) Jaska

June Pelo
04-11-10, 20:05
Maybe f 285 refers to a page numer? Looks like Maija Kaisa was born in Wallinkylä - Walli Hautaniemi to Gustaf Mattsson Ryssy and Maija Hermansdotter. Maybe someone else can decipher the handwriting..

Lankakerä
05-11-10, 20:30
It must be Ryssy, my best guess was Ryssijo/Rysfip and it just seemed a bit odd. :)

The only piece of information I need from those birth records is who are the parents of Samuel Feeliks/Felix born y.1888, then I'd be sure that this is the right Gustaf.

Jaska Sarell
05-11-10, 21:24
Two boys named Samuel Feliks born in Jalasjärvi in 1888, a couple more in 1887 and 1889, but none with father named Gustaf (or Kustaa, as records now in Finnish) :(

:) Jaska

Lankakerä
05-11-10, 22:19
Ok, I sorf of expected that, because this is such a mystery. Seems like even the name Gustaf is wrong. :(

Would you be so kind and tell what the names of those parents were? Then I would be able to search if one of them also has a child named Maija Kaisa.

Jaska Sarell
05-11-10, 23:30
Here's the links to birth record images in 1888:

29 July (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/syntyneet_1885-1897_mko49-58/kuvat/74.jpg)
Family could not be found on said page 867 or nearby :confused:
3 May (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/syntyneet_1885-1897_mko49-58/kuvat/70.jpg)
Family on page 1012 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/rippikirja_1885-1894_mko87-146/kuvat/973.jpg). No Maija Kaisa there.

Perhaps the family lived in Jalasjärvi for some time, but where born elsewhere...

Anyway I recommend you to join the FFHA :cool:

:) Jaska

Denise
06-11-10, 19:00
Hi,
I don't know how much help this will be to you, but the Institute of Migration has passports issued for the name Bergenheim.

Best Regards,
Denise

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Edvard
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Opiskelija
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 06.10.1905
Passport number 3375
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination *
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

And the rest appear to be the same person.....

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Emelia Elisabet
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Vapaaherratar
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 23.07.1890
Passport number 481
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Venäjä
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Emelie
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Vapaaherratar
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 12.03.1894
Passport number 74
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Venäjä
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Emilia Elisab.
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status 3
Religion *
Occupation Vapaaherratar
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 26.01.1895
Passport number 28
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Venäjä
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks Sp 2 alaikäistä tytärtä (ei nimiä).

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Emilie Elisabet
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Vapaaherratar
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 11.01.1893
Passport number 11
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Venäjä
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Detailed passport information
Last name Bergenheim
First names Emilie Elisabet
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status *
Religion *
Occupation Vapaaherratar
Home parish Turku
Province TUR
Passport date 21.09.1891
Passport number 662
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Venäjä
Passport issued by TUR
Remarks *

Denise
06-11-10, 19:05
Here is what the Institute of Migration has on the name Ryssy. If any of these passenger records interest you, let me know, and I will send the ones you want.

Best,
Denise

Ryssy Albert Duluth MN USA 06.04.1910
Ryssy Aliina Maynard MA USA 07.12.1912
Ryssy Anna Matilda Fitchburg MA USA 03.07.1909
Ryssy Aug. Worcester MA USA 14.04.1900
Ryssy Heikki Gladstone MI USA 04.01.1905
Ryssy Hilja Gilbert MN USA 10.05.1913
Ryssy Impi Fitchburg MA USA 03.07.1909
Ryssy Irma Maynard MA USA 07.12.1912
Ryssy Isak Worcester MA USA 05.12.1906
Ryssy Isak Worcester MA USA 16.03.1910
Ryssy Isak Crystal Falls MI USA 22.01.1913
Ryssy Johan Fitchburg MA USA 03.07.1909
Ryssy Johan Worcester MA USA 02.11.1901
Ryssy Kustaa Gladstone MI USA 04.01.1905
Ryssy Maria Maynard MA USA 11.09.1912
Ryssy Maria Worcester MA USA 09.12.1899
Ryssy Matti Worcester MA USA 10.03.1909
Ryssy Matts Boston (MA?) USA 23.11.1904
Ryssy Michel Calumet MI USA 12.05.1900
Ryssy Mikko Warren OH USA 04.01.1905
Ryssy/Peltonen Isak E. Sault Ste. Marie MI USA 01.08.1906

Denise
06-11-10, 19:11
Passport records on the name Ryssy are:

Ryssy Anna Matilda 08.06.1909 . .1884 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Emil Viktor 19.07.1899 . .1884 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Heikki 30.12.1904 . .1885 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Henrik Verner Isidor 08.01.1902 . .1894 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Hilja Maria 12.04.1913 . .1894 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Iisak Emil 27.07.1906 . .1888 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Iisakki 06.11.1906 . .1874 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Iisakki 10.03.1910 . .1882 Seinäjoki Amerikka
Ryssy Impi Dagmar 08.06.1909 . .1906 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Juho Kustaa 07.11.1913 . .1893 Seinäjoki Amerikka
Ryssy Juho Mikko 28.05.1909 . .1891 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Juho Varfrid 08.06.1909 . .1905 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Kaisa 17.09.1906 . .1888 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Kaisa Maria 19.07.1899 . .1877 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Kaisa Wilhelmina 08.01.1902 . .1874 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Kustaa 30.12.1904 . .1885 Lapua Amerikka
Ryssy Maria 22.06.1899 . .1870 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Maria Sofia 06.09.1912 . .1845 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Matts 22.03.1901 . .1880 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Michel Valentin 04.05.1900 . .1868 Nurmo Amerikka
Ryssy Mikko Walee 30.12.1904 . .1885 Nurmo Amerikk

Lankakerä
06-11-10, 23:03
Jaska, sorry I accidentally gave the wrong year but thank you very, very much for looking! The correct year is 1886. However, I was able to find a Samuel Feliks whose parents are Kustaa and Maija Hautaniemi, so this must be the right family! I'm so happy! :) :)

Denise, thank you for those lists, I'd like to know more about these:
Ryssy Kustaa Gladstone MI USA 04.01.1905
Ryssy Johan Fitchburg MA USA 03.07.1909
Ryssy Johan Worcester MA USA 02.11.1901
Ryssy Matti Worcester MA USA 10.03.1909
Ryssy Matts Boston (MA?) USA 23.11.1904

The persons that I'm looking for are
Kustaa/Gustaf b. 14.7.1851
Juho/Johan b. 1.1.1873
Ida b. 14.6.1877
Matti/Matts b. 19.2.1880
Salomon b. 6.1.1883
The last name was later changed to Vaellus/Waellus/Waillus/Vaillus, so that is the most likely name that they would have used. Still, in addition to Ryssy, they might have used Hautaniemi or Mäenpää also. It seemes that they travelled one by one to America.

I have found these from here (http://www.migrationinstitute.fi)
passport records:
Vaillus Matts, birth year 1880
Waillus Gustaf Matsson birth year -

passenger records:
Waellus Matti, 28.04.1900

Jaska Sarell
06-11-10, 23:57
OK, your family in communion book 1885-1894 here (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/jalasjarvi/rippikirja_1885-1894_mko87-146/kuvat/499.jpg) and here (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=7935&pnum=793).
No wonder there were so many names :eek:

:) Jaska

Denise
07-11-10, 00:05
Hi,
Further information on the names you've requested from the Institute of Migration...

Best Regards,
Denise

Detailed passport information
Last name Ryssy
First names Kustaa
Other names *
Date of birth . .1885
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Taloll. pka
Home parish Lapua
Province VAA
Passport date 30.12.1904
Passport number 4533
Passport valid (year:month) 1:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks *

Detailed passenger information
Last name Ryssy
First names Kustaa
Age or age group 19
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Gladstone
State of destination MI
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 196
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 04.01.1905
Ship from England Sicilian
Date of departure from England 12.01.1905
Ocean Line Allan Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 45/6
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Ryssy
First names Johan
Age or age group 3
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Fitchburg
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 150
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 03.07.1909
Ship from England Cymric
Date of departure from England 14.07.1909
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 73/70
Remarks Mk Anna Matilda ja Impi Ryssy. Seinäjoki!
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Ryssy
First names Johan
Age or age group 27
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Worcester
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 194
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 02.11.1901
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 20/72
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Ryssy
First names Matti
Age or age group 26
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Worcester
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 250
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 10.03.1909
Ship from England Adriatic
Date of departure from England 17.03.1909
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England Southampton
List and page 72/57
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Ryssy
First names Matts
Age or age group 21
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Boston
State of destination (MA?)
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 86
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 23.11.1904
Ship from England Saxonia
Date of departure from England 29.11.1904
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 42/47
Remarks *

Lankakerä
08-11-10, 00:32
Jaska, yes it seems that they liked to move around a lot. :D

Denise, thank you! I think Ryssy can be crossed out, because the ages don't match. Would you, or anybody else, mind checking the detailed info for those names that I gave in the previous post and these as well?

Passenger lists:
Hautaniemi Salomon, 07.12.1904

Passport records:
Hautaniemi Matti birth year 1880

Denise
08-11-10, 12:23
Hi,
From the Institute of Migration:

Detailed passenger information
Last name Hautaniemi
First names Salomon
Age or age group 33
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Worcester
State of destination MA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 100
Ship from Finland Arcturus
Date of departure from Finland 07.12.1904
Ship from England Baltic
Date of departure from England 14.12.1904
Ocean Line White Star Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 41/35
Remarks *
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Detailed passenger information
Last name Waellus
First names Matti
Age or age group 19
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Calumet
State of destination MI
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket USD 60
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 28.04.1900
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England . .9999
Ocean Line Cunard Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 10/92
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Hautaniemi
First names Matti
Other names *
Date of birth . .1880
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Torpp. pka
Home parish Kurikka
Province VAA
Passport date 15.12.1904
Passport number 4120
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by VAA
Remarks ? määräyksestä saanut passin.
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Detailed passport information
Last name Vaillus
First names Matts
Other names *
Date of birth . .1880
Marital status 1
Religion Lut.
Occupation Ent. renki
Home parish Jalasjärvi
Province VAA
Passport date . .1900
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 1:6
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by HKO
Remarks *
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Detailed passport information
Last name Waillus
First names Gustaf Matsson
Other names *
Date of birth . .9999
Marital status 2
Religion *
Occupation Mäkitupal.
Home parish Jalasjärvi
Province VAA
Passport date 10.03.1890
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 0:6
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by KR
Remarks Ikä 39 v. Sj vmo ja 6 lasta.

Lankakerä
20-02-16, 18:24
I have found these departure dates to America:

Gustaf/Kustaa 5.3.1890 (Could have used names Mäenpää/Ryssy/Hautaniemi/Waellus)
Juho 28.3.1893 (Could have used names Mäenpää/Ryssy/Hautaniemi/Waellus)
Ida/Iida/Iita Lovisa 2.5.1898 (Could have used names Hautaniemi/Waellus) (Pretty sure she moved back at some point)
Matti 14.4.1900 (Could have used names Hautaniemi/Waellus)
Salomon 4.12.1904 (not sure 'cos of unclear handwriting) (Could have used names Hautaniemi/Waellus)

Most likely the last name they all used was Waellus but when they were born the family was using one of those that I listed after each name. The surname Waellus seems to be written wrong several times (Waillus, Vaellus, Vaillus).

But what I don't know is how could I found more information about their family trees after their departure from Finland?

Karen Norwillo
20-02-16, 22:45
There are many Waellus found in Baraga, MI and Chassell, MI on Ancestry.com. I found a John Waellus born 1873 Finland married a Anna Ervasti 19 Aug 1899. Says father Gust and mother Maria Kohtala. There is an Ida Waellus abt 1879 Finland. Married Antti Niemi. Her father Just/Gust and mother Maria Kohtamaki. There's a Matt Waellus ABT 1880 Finland, AGE 63 married Impi Laurila AGE 53 on 4 Sep 1943 in Baraga. His father Gustave Waellus, mother Mary Maki. In 1920, 1930 and 1940 census in Baraga, MI there is the family of Matt and Anna Waellus. Children Helen, William, Martha, Bertha, Mayme and Katherine/Kathryn. In 1940, Matt is widowed. I found marriages for several of Matt and Anna's children in the MI Marriages. Also one for son of John and Anna Waellus.