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wxman61
12-11-10, 21:16
I am looking for information on my great grandmother Jennie Serafiina Kangasjarvela. She was born Jan 10, 1866 at Raahe Saloinen Salo, provience of Oulu in Finland. She immigrated to America in 1886 aboard the Swedish steamship Romeo bound for Hull, England. Her final landing was at Astabula Harbor, Ohio in the United States.

I am looking for information on parents and siblings. Her obit mentioned one sister in Finland but no name or location.

Thanks
Bob

Jaska Sarell
12-11-10, 22:27
Birth record (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/syntyneet_1839-1884_ik547/119.htm) names her as Jenny Severina. Parents farmer's son Johan Jakobsson Järvelä and wife Gustava.
Communion books 1866-1877 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/rippikirja_1866-1877_mko6-11/35.htm) and 1878-1882 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/rippikirja_1878-1882_mko12-17/31.htm) give more complete names for parents as Johan Leonard Jakobsson (Järvelä) b. 10 Dec 1835 and Maria Gustava Henriksdotter Orava b. 5 Sep 1836. According to HisKi father's DOB is 12 Oct 1835 (correct day also in original), mother seems to be daughter of Henrik Lukkarila.

Propably Järvelä was divided and Kangasjärvelä was one division. Not my territory...

Happy searching further on!

:) Jaska

wxman61
13-11-10, 17:35
Thanks Jaska;
It is not easy for one to dig into Finnish records when one cannot read the language. I appreciate your help and if you need research done here in the United States don't hesitate to contact me.
Bob
PS seems we are of a same time period. You were born 1947 and myself 1940.




Birth record (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/syntyneet_1839-1884_ik547/119.htm) names her as Jenny Severina. Parents farmer's son Johan Jakobsson Järvelä and wife Gustava.
Communion books 1866-1877 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/rippikirja_1866-1877_mko6-11/35.htm) and 1878-1882 (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/saloinen/rippikirja_1878-1882_mko12-17/31.htm) give more complete names for parents as Johan Leonard Jakobsson (Järvelä) b. 10 Dec 1835 and Maria Gustava Henriksdotter Orava b. 5 Sep 1836. According to HisKi father's DOB is 12 Oct 1835 (correct day also in original), mother seems to be daughter of Henrik Lukkarila.

Propably Järvelä was divided and Kangasjärvelä was one division. Not my territory...

Happy searching further on!

:) Jaska

Tapio Rautio
14-11-10, 21:31
Hi Bob!


Most of Your ancestors are not from Saloinen, but from the neighboring parishes.

Here something to start with:


1. Jennie Serafiina, b. 10.01.1866 Saloinen.



Parents

2. Järvelä Johan Leonard Jakobsson, b. 10.12.1835 Saloinen. spouse Orawa Maria Gustava Henriksdotter.

3. Orawa Maria Gustava Henriksdotter, s. 05.09.1836 Saloinen.




Great parents

4. Tuhlan-Järvelä Jakob Jakobsson, b. 08.02.1804 Pyhäjoki. spouse Hongikangas Stina Matsdr, marriage 11.12.1830 Saloinen.

5. Hongikangas Stina Matsdr, b. 08.09.1797 Vihanti.

6. Lukkarila Henrik Henriksson, b. 1804 Saloinen , Rippikirja, 1832-1838 Kuva 62. spouse Similä Gretha Andersdr, marriage 22.06.1828 Saloinen.

7. Similä Gretha Andersdr, b. 15.09.1803 Vihanti Saloinen , Rippikirja, 1832-1838 Kuva 62.




Great great parents

8. Tuhlan Jacob Abrahamsson, b. 21.01.1780 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1810-1816 Kuva 168. spouse Pyhäniemi Carin.

9. Pyhäniemi Carin, b. 15.02.1771 Pyhäjoki.

10. Haapamaa-Hongikangas Mats Henriksson, b. 30.12.1761 Vihanti , Rippikirja, 1787-1809 Kuva 103. spouse Vähäkorsu Maria Johansdr, marriage 18.12.1789 Vihanti.

11. Vähäkorsu Maria Johansdr, b. 23.12.1766 Pattijoki (Raahe , Rippikirja, 1765-1778 Kuva 81.)

12. Korkiakangas-Lukkarila Henrik Johansson, b. 06.09.1765 Pattijoki , Rippikirja, 1792-1798 Kuva 86. spouse Lukkarila Anna Matsdr.

13. Lukkarila Anna Matsdr, b. 22.09.1766 Saloinen

14. Similä Anders Thomasson, b. 25.07.1776 Pyhäjoki spouse Hanhikoski Brita Danielsdr, marriage 08.02.1799 Vihanti.

15. Hanhikoski Brita Danielsdr, b. 01.03.1774 Vihanti , Rippikirja, 1787-1809 Kuva 78.




:)

Tapio

wxman61
15-11-10, 22:30
Tapio,
It is amazing how a simple name can be turned around and end up tracing back to someone else. For example:
Jarvela Johan...his father was Tuhlan-Jarvela Jakob and his grandfather was Tuhlan Jacob. Did the names come from the location where they lived, a church or what. Thanks for all your help.
Bob:confused:






Hi Bob!


Most of Your ancestors are not from Saloinen, but from the neighboring parishes.

Here something to start with:


1. Jennie Serafiina, b. 10.01.1866 Saloinen.



Parents

2. Järvelä Johan Leonard Jakobsson, b. 10.12.1835 Saloinen. spouse Orawa Maria Gustava Henriksdotter.

3. Orawa Maria Gustava Henriksdotter, s. 05.09.1836 Saloinen.




Great parents

4. Tuhlan-Järvelä Jakob Jakobsson, b. 08.02.1804 Pyhäjoki. spouse Hongikangas Stina Matsdr, marriage 11.12.1830 Saloinen.

5. Hongikangas Stina Matsdr, b. 08.09.1797 Vihanti.

6. Lukkarila Henrik Henriksson, b. 1804 Saloinen , Rippikirja, 1832-1838 Kuva 62. spouse Similä Gretha Andersdr, marriage 22.06.1828 Saloinen.

7. Similä Gretha Andersdr, b. 15.09.1803 Vihanti Saloinen , Rippikirja, 1832-1838 Kuva 62.




Great great parents

8. Tuhlan Jacob Abrahamsson, b. 21.01.1780 Pyhäjoki , Rippikirja, 1810-1816 Kuva 168. spouse Pyhäniemi Carin.

9. Pyhäniemi Carin, b. 15.02.1771 Pyhäjoki.

10. Haapamaa-Hongikangas Mats Henriksson, b. 30.12.1761 Vihanti , Rippikirja, 1787-1809 Kuva 103. spouse Vähäkorsu Maria Johansdr, marriage 18.12.1789 Vihanti.

11. Vähäkorsu Maria Johansdr, b. 23.12.1766 Pattijoki (Raahe , Rippikirja, 1765-1778 Kuva 81.)

12. Korkiakangas-Lukkarila Henrik Johansson, b. 06.09.1765 Pattijoki , Rippikirja, 1792-1798 Kuva 86. spouse Lukkarila Anna Matsdr.

13. Lukkarila Anna Matsdr, b. 22.09.1766 Saloinen

14. Similä Anders Thomasson, b. 25.07.1776 Pyhäjoki spouse Hanhikoski Brita Danielsdr, marriage 08.02.1799 Vihanti.

15. Hanhikoski Brita Danielsdr, b. 01.03.1774 Vihanti , Rippikirja, 1787-1809 Kuva 78.




:)

Tapio

Tapio Rautio
16-11-10, 12:07
Hi Bob! :)




http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulainen/rippikirja_1723-1742_ik341/3.htm
Oulainen , Rippikirja, 1723-1742, up on the left side Olof Jundunen, wife Anna, son Olof.

Son Olof Juntunen marries Ursa Eliasdaughter Mattila, all children are named Mattila.


http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t5515817



http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulainen/rippikirja_1758-1763_mko1-4/64.htm
Oulainen , Rippikirja, 1758-1763, Olof and Ursa on the top, third is Olofs mother, Anna Abrahamsdaughter.
Olof and Ursa have a son, Abraham b. 08.08.1744 9. from the top. Abraham marries Anna Michelsdaughter Rautio;

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t5516068



Abraham and Anna have two children in Oulainen by the name Mattila, then they move to Pyhäjoki and the farm Tuhlan, 8
children is born in Pyhäjoki with the name Tuhlas, one of them Jacob b.21.01.1780

Pyhäjoki - christened

Father's first name: ABR => Aabraham, Ambrosius
Father's patronymic: OLO => Olofs
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

15.4.1773 23.4.1773 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlan Anna Mickelsdr Mickel

3.7.1775 8.7.1775 Abraham Olofss. Tuulahas Anna Mickelsdr Joseph

26.9.1777 28.9.1777 Abraham Olofss. Tuuhlakas Anna Mickelsdr 30-35 Carin

21.1.1780 23.1.1780 Abram Olofss. Tuulahan Anna Michelsdr 30-35 Jacob

30.3.1782 31.3.1782 Abraham Olofss. Tulahan Anna Michelsdr 35-40 Anna

6.9.1784 8.9.1784 Abraham Olofss. Tulahan Anna Mickelsdr 35-40 Maria

11.5.1787 13.5.1787 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlan Anna Michelsdr 40-45 Johan

28.8.1791 30.8.1791 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlaan Anna Michelsdr 40-45 Beata






http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pyhajoki/rippikirja_1810-1816_mko67-74/168.htm
Jacob 21.01.1780 11. person from the top, on the far right, a marking of the moving to Saloinen in 1813.


As You can see the name changes depending on the farm names the families moved to.

The direct fatherline to Johan Leonard Järvelä would be:

Olof Juntunen 1679-08.12.1736 Oulainen
Olof Olofsson Juntunen-Mattila 1700-04.03.1762 Oulainen
Abraham Olofsson Mattila-Tuhlas 08.08.1744-26.03.1801 Pyhäjoki
Jacob Abrahamsson Tuhlas-Järvelä 21.01.1780-05.02.1848 Saloinen
Jakob Jakobsson Tuhlas-Järvelä 08.02.1804-
Johan Leonard Jakobsson Järvelä 10.12.1835-

Here are the tools to use:

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2n0a5w?en+0370

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm


Tapio

wxman61
17-11-10, 18:29
Hi Tapio:
Thanks for the info. From your results does it mean that Jenny moved to a farm named Kangas and this is how her name changed from Jarvela to Kangasjarvela?

Bob



Hi Bob! :)




http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulainen/rippikirja_1723-1742_ik341/3.htm
Oulainen , Rippikirja, 1723-1742, up on the left side Olof Jundunen, wife Anna, son Olof.

Son Olof Juntunen marries Ursa Eliasdaughter Mattila, all children are named Mattila.


http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t5515817



http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulainen/rippikirja_1758-1763_mko1-4/64.htm
Oulainen , Rippikirja, 1758-1763, Olof and Ursa on the top, third is Olofs mother, Anna Abrahamsdaughter.
Olof and Ursa have a son, Abraham b. 08.08.1744 9. from the top. Abraham marries Anna Michelsdaughter Rautio;

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t5516068



Abraham and Anna have two children in Oulainen by the name Mattila, then they move to Pyhäjoki and the farm Tuhlan, 8
children is born in Pyhäjoki with the name Tuhlas, one of them Jacob b.21.01.1780

Pyhäjoki - christened

Father's first name: ABR => Aabraham, Ambrosius
Father's patronymic: OLO => Olofs
Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child

15.4.1773 23.4.1773 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlan Anna Mickelsdr Mickel

3.7.1775 8.7.1775 Abraham Olofss. Tuulahas Anna Mickelsdr Joseph

26.9.1777 28.9.1777 Abraham Olofss. Tuuhlakas Anna Mickelsdr 30-35 Carin

21.1.1780 23.1.1780 Abram Olofss. Tuulahan Anna Michelsdr 30-35 Jacob

30.3.1782 31.3.1782 Abraham Olofss. Tulahan Anna Michelsdr 35-40 Anna

6.9.1784 8.9.1784 Abraham Olofss. Tulahan Anna Mickelsdr 35-40 Maria

11.5.1787 13.5.1787 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlan Anna Michelsdr 40-45 Johan

28.8.1791 30.8.1791 Abraham Olofss. Tuhlaan Anna Michelsdr 40-45 Beata






http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pyhajoki/rippikirja_1810-1816_mko67-74/168.htm
Jacob 21.01.1780 11. person from the top, on the far right, a marking of the moving to Saloinen in 1813.


As You can see the name changes depending on the farm names the families moved to.

The direct fatherline to Johan Leonard Järvelä would be:

Olof Juntunen 1679-08.12.1736 Oulainen
Olof Olofsson Juntunen-Mattila 1700-04.03.1762 Oulainen
Abraham Olofsson Mattila-Tuhlas 08.08.1744-26.03.1801 Pyhäjoki
Jacob Abrahamsson Tuhlas-Järvelä 21.01.1780-05.02.1848 Saloinen
Jakob Jakobsson Tuhlas-Järvelä 08.02.1804-
Johan Leonard Jakobsson Järvelä 10.12.1835-

Here are the tools to use:

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2n0a5w?en+0370

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm


Tapio

Tapio Rautio
17-11-10, 19:31
Bob, i don´t have an answer for the name Kangasjärvelä, there aren´t
any newer church-records on-line, after the one Jaska linked.

Olof Juntunen 1679-08.12.1736 Oulainen, is my ancestor too.

:)

Tapio

wxman61
19-11-10, 21:25
Tapio:
welcome to the family. I have been researching off and on for 25 years and have come across many distant relatives but you are the first from the home country. I thank you for all the help and information you have provided. Keep in touch.
Bob:)






Bob, i don´t have an answer for the name Kangasjärvelä, there aren´t
any newer church-records on-line, after the one Jaska linked.

Olof Juntunen 1679-08.12.1736 Oulainen, is my ancestor too.

:)

Tapio

Tapio Rautio
19-11-10, 22:32
Thank You Bob! :)

I respect the many years You have been researching!

My grandfathers father Wilhelm Jacobsson Rautio 11.12.1879-28.02.1937 from Oulainen was 4th cousin with Jennie.

Have a nice weekend!


:)


Tapio