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rthors
15-11-10, 10:59
I am searching for the parents of Maria Greta Eriksd. (Dillman) She was born on the 14th of august 1811 in Koutojarvi, Hietaniemi. She married Isak Johannes. Atila (b. 1790 Atila, Lapptrask, Finland) the second of March 1836 in Karunki.

Does anybody know this person, or have access to som sources that can tell me anything about her background?

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen, Norway

Karen Norwillo
15-11-10, 21:28
On Hiski, it says Maria Greta Ersdotter Dillman el. Saarijärvi moved in to Karungi 15.12.1933.
In 5.3.1840 Isaac Antila, enare Lappm. försl. moved out with wife Maria Greta Eriksdr 1811 and children.

rthors
16-11-10, 00:09
Thanks Karen for your reply. I am not sure when Isak, Maria and their family moved to Norway. I seem to remember I found on FamilySearch that they had a son Johannes Antila baptised in Lapptrask 29.12.1845. If that is correct they must have moved to Norway later then 1845.

Isak Johannesson Antila died 13.04.1865 in Normansvik, Lyngen, Troms. I have not so far found the death of his wife, Maria Greta Eriksdotter Dillman.

Their son Jacob Isaksson Antila married Karen Ovidia Danielsdtr. Kvammen in Karlsøy , Troms 17.06.1866.

But still I have not found much more about Maria, except I got a mail tonight telling me that her parents where Erik Persson and Anna Greta Nilsdtr.I don't know where that information was found, and have not been able to confirm if it is correct.


Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen

Karen Norwillo
16-11-10, 16:43
I found some strange things about this family on FFHA in Karunki. There are several births to Maria Greta Antila that appaer to be out of wedlock. I will attach the images and a 1838-1851 Rippikirja. I can't read all the small notations on it, but pehaps someone here can. 23.2.1837 Matthias born to Isak Antila and Maria Greta Eriksdr. in Karunki. 28.9.1838 Petter Olof born to same couple. Then there are 3 other births. 18.2.1843 Carl, 8.8.1844 Britha Caisa and 29.12.1845 Johannes. These only mention Maria Greta Antila. As the family moved out in 1840, I'm wondering why these children show up on that Rippi. But Matthias and Petter Olof are not on that Rippi. Curious.

Karen Norwillo
16-11-10, 16:48
Here's Britha Caisa and Jacob's birth. As the couple married 2 Mar 1836 and Jacob was born 10.9.1835, they weren't yet married, unless that wedding date is incorrect. I found Johannes death in Karunki 21.7.1846 at age 9 months. No cause given.

rthors
16-11-10, 18:15
Thanks again Karen for great help. I must agree it is not easy to read all that is written. I see the year 1852 is mentioned.
The family moved in 1840, but still they baptised their children in Karunki. Maybe they didn't move at all, or just moved to the swedish part of the area.

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen

Karen Norwillo
16-11-10, 19:50
Am I correct in the birth of Jacob, is Maria Greta listed as his betrothed wife, maybe fiancee, intended wife?
I found a genealogy on-line that shows Isak was previoysly married to a Anna Greta Eriksdotter Martimo of Hietaniemi born 1798.12.8 and died 1832.8.4 in Karunki. There is a moving-in record for Isak and Anna and their children from Öfver Tornio.

Karen Norwillo
16-11-10, 20:54
Rune,
Here's the 1830-1837 rippikirja for the Antila family.

rthors
16-11-10, 22:05
Thanks again for new info regarding this family. I can't read from the moving info in 1840 where they moved to. They had a son Johannes Antila 29.12.1845, which make me wonder when they actually moved to Norway. It must have been later then 1845. So if they moved in 1840 it must have been somewhere else.

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen

rthors
17-11-10, 14:23
I have learned that the father of Maria Greta Ericsdotter was Eric Pehrsson born about 1768. His father again was Pehr Ericsson 1748- d 1829 in Hietaniemi.

He married Maria Esaiasdotter the 1st of March 1786 in Hietaniemi. That means he must have been married at least once before to the mother of Eric Pehrsson. But I can't find that marriage. Can somebody help me find the name of Pehr's first wife and the mother of Eric b. 1768?

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen

Karen Norwillo
17-11-10, 19:49
Can someone tell me which parish records would Hietaniemi be in? There is no Hietaniemi on Hiski or FFHA. Where would this place be in the 1700-1800 era?

karinh
17-11-10, 20:25
Karen
I found the information on the Swedish side in Hietaniemi. :)
Karin

rthors
17-11-10, 23:23
Hi again.

I suspected this to be in the border area between Sweden and Finland. I have tried all evening to reopen my account on Anbytarforum, but with no luck. But if this regards the swedish part of Hietaniemi, would that be Nordbotten?

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen:)

Karen Norwillo
18-11-10, 04:15
That's what I came up with, too. Both Hietaniemi and Kuotjärvi came up in this area of Norrboten, Sweden when I Googled. I'll try my Anbytarforum membership and see if it still works. It worked. I posted your question. Will let you know if I get an answer.

rthors
18-11-10, 10:13
Thanks Karen for helping me out again. I think I got about 10 e-mail from Anbytarforum yesterday with attempt to reopen my account, but without luck. I can search there , but noe post any questions. So I gave up on them.

Kind regards
Rune Thorstensen:)

Karen Norwillo
18-11-10, 15:41
Rune,
Anbytarforum is no longer subscription, but you have to re-register to be able to post. I did that and have had no problem posting.
Karen

rthors
18-11-10, 16:22
I know that Karen. But I tried over and over again . They even gave me a new password and username, but still I was denied access. So I gave up on it. I can search, but not post anything.They don't even accept my 2 mail adresses.

Rune

Karen Norwillo
22-11-10, 00:57
Rune,
Here's the 2 replies I got today.
Maria Greta's parents were Erik Pehrsson Sarijerv and Anna Greta Nilsdotter. They were married 2 May 1812. He previously fathered a son out-of-wedlock with Anna Greta Eriksdotter. Abraham Annasson 28 Nov 1809. Children with Anna Nilsdotter
Maria Greta 14 Aug 1811, she must have been born before they married
Eva Catarina 2 Dec 1812
Erik 5 May 1815
Jacob 14 Jul 1816
Catarina 7 Aug 1822.
You should be able to access under Norrbotten, Hietaniemi.

rthors
22-11-10, 08:44
Thanks Karen.

Yes, I did read the answears on Anbytarforum yesterday evening. Unfortunately I am not able to read the year of birth or marriage of his mother Margretha. From the household list in Lomben Nedre Kalix, I can read his mothers name was Margrethe, but not when she was born or the year of the marriage between her and Pehr Ericsson. I guess she died in 1785 and Pehr remarried in March 1786.

And we still don't know the last name of Erics mother. So I really would like to see either the birth of Eric in 1767 or the marriage from Pehr and Margretha.

If this was in Norway, I would say Margrethas father must have been a Pehr, or Jacob according to the list of names from their children. Eric came first i 1767 and he is named after Pehrs father. The next child in 1769 are Jacob, which could be named after Margrethas father or Pehr borned in 1770.

We also learn from this that Pehr Ericssons mother was named Ella, and she was born in 1708 and she was married to Eric Pehrsson, probably born about 1706.

Best regards
Rune T.

rthors
22-11-10, 13:14
I will say thanks for all the help in the search for Erk Pehrssons parents. After I learned that he was born in Lomben, I search in Anbytarforumet and I did find answears to all my questions:


"Erik Persson Järf. Född 1709 Narken,Ö-kalix fs. Död 1770-02-07 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
Soldat Jerf, antagen 1728, avgått 1740-06-28. Flyttar till N-kalix fs Korpikå/Lomben i ca 1741-1742.
Familj med Ella Eriksdotter (Född 1708 Rödupp 1,Ö-kalix fs,Norrb. Död 1785-04-15 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.) Vigsel 1733-06-25 Ö-kalix fs.
Barn:
1 Brita Eriksdotter. Född 1733-10-04 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.
2 Cherstin Eriksdotter. Född 1734-12-24 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.
3 Erik Eriksson. Född 1736-11-20 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.
4 Per Eriksson. Född 1738-11-18 Narken,Ö-kalix fs,Norrb. Död 1738-11 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.
5 Margareta Eriksdotter. Född 1739-12-22 Narken,Ö-kalix fs,Norrb. Död 1812-07-18 Storträsk ,N-Kalix fs.
6 Jacob Eriksson. Född 1743-12-28 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1788-06-03 Lomben,N-Kalix fs,Norrb.
7 Ella Eriksdotter. Född 1747-02-07 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8 Per Eriksson. Född 1748-11-06 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.


Generation 1

1 Brita Eriksdotter. Född 1733-10-04 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.

2 Cherstin Eriksdotter. Född 1734-12-24 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.

3 Erik Eriksson. Född 1736-11-20 Narken,Ö-kalix fs.

5 Margareta Eriksdotter. Född 1739-12-22 Narken,Ö-kalix fs. Död 1812-07-18 Storträsk ,N-Kalix fs,Norrb. AI:3a s 181.
Familj med Esajas Esajasson (Född 1756-05-08 Sangis sold,N-Kalix fs.) Vigsel 1779-11-21 N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.

Barn:
5.1 Erik Esajasson. Född 1785-06-16 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1856-12-24 Storträsk ,N-Kalix fs.

6 Jacob Eriksson. Född 1743-12-28 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1788-06-03 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.
Familj med Christina Svensdotter (Född 1750.) Vigsel 1770 N-kalix fs,Norrb.

Barn:

6.1 Ella Jacobsdotter. Född 1771-12-08 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1774-11-28 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.2 Maria Jacobsdotter. Född 1773-02-20 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.3 Helena Jacobsdotter. Född 1775-10-21 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1782-07-14 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.4 Brita Jacobsdotter. Född 1777-12-29 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.5 Jacob Jacobsson Söderström. Född 1779-05-30 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1864 Dokkas,Gällivare fs.
6.6 Nils Peter Jacobsson. Född 1782-04-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.7 Erik Jacobsson. Född 1784-05-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.8 Johan Jacobsson. Född 1786-09-14 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
6.9 Helena Jcobsdotter. Född 1788-01-21 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.

7 Ella Eriksdotter. Född 1747-02-07 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.

8 Per Eriksson. Född 1748-11-06 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
Flyttar från fs 1788 med 2:a hustrun och barnen från 1:a giftet.

Familj med Margeta Eriksdotter (Född 1739-01-24 Korpikå 1,N-Kalix fs. Död 1785-02-17 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.) Vigsel 1767-03-30 N-Kalix fs.

Barn:

8.1 Erik Persson. Född 1767-12-03 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8.2 Jakob Persson. Född 1769-05-17 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8.3 Per Persson. Född 1770-11-11 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8.4 Helena Persdotter. Född 1773-10-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8.5 Henrik Persson. Född 1777-09-08 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.
8.6 Nils Persson. Född 1780-09-11 Lomben,N-Kalix fs.

Familj med Maria (Född 1757),från Torneå? Vigsel 1787. Nklx AI:2 s 212.


Generation 2

5.1 Erik Esajasson. Född 1785-06-16 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212. Död 1856-12-24 Storträsk, N-Kalix fs.
Familj med Anna Andersdotter (Född 1771-11-29 Lomträsk 3,Ö-kalix fs. Död 1822-03-30 Storträsk, N-Kalix fs.) Vigsel 1806-03-28 Ö-kalix fs. N-kalix C:3.
Barn:
5.1.1 Esajas Eriksson. Född 1807-09-14 Storträsk,N-Kalix fs,Norrb. Död 1887-07-18 Storträsk 3,N-Kalix fs.
5.1.2 Anders Eriksson. Född 1809-06-29 Storträsk,N-Kalix fs,Norrb.
5.1.3 Anna Kajsa Eriksdotter. Född 1813-03-04 Storträsk,N-Kalix fs.
5.1.4 Erik Eriksson. Född 1816-05-23 Storträsk,N-Kalix fs.

6.1 Ella Jacobsdotter. Född 1771-12-08 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213. Död 1774-11-28 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.

6.2 Maria Jacobsdotter. Född 1773-02-20 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.

6.3 Helena Jacobsdotter. Född 1775-10-21 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. Död 1782-07-14 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.

6.4 Brita Jacobsdotter. Född 1777-12-29 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213. (gift 1815 i Lommen/Kårpikå).

6.5 Jacob Jacobsson Söderström. Född 1779-05-30 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213. Död 1864 Dokkas,Gällivare fs. Omkommit i skogen, ej igenfunnen.
Nklx AI:3a s 176 står att han flyttar till Gällivare.
Familj med Catharina Jacobsdotter (Född 1776-03-25 Dokkas,Gällivare fs. Död 1835-07-12 Dokkas,Gällivare fs.) Vigsel 1805-02-14 Luleå stadfs.


6.6 Nils Peter Jacobsson. Född 1782-04-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.
6.7 Erik Jacobsson. Född 1784-05-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.
6.8 Johan Jacobsson. Född 1786-09-14 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213. Soldat Köpman Gammelgården(AI:3a s 151)
6.9 Helena Jcobsdotter. Född 1788-01-21 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 213.

8.1 Erik Persson. Född 1767-12-03 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
8.2 Jakob Persson. Född 1769-05-17 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
8.3 Per Persson. Född 1770-11-11 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
8.4 Helena Persdotter. Född 1773-10-02 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
8.5 Henrik Persson. Född 1777-09-08 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212.
8.6 Nils Persson. Född 1780-09-11 Lomben,N-Kalix fs. AI:2 s 212. "


Best regards
Rune Thorstensen