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Elodie Englund
03-03-11, 21:37
I'm new here and was looking for family of Alexander Englund or his wife Hannah who both immigrated from Finland just after 1900.

June Pelo
03-03-11, 22:03
Welcome to Finlander. Could you post some dates and places - some of us may have Englund names in our databases.

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 09:26
Welcome to Finlander. Could you post some dates and places - some of us may have Englund names in our databases.

Greetings June,

I only know about my father, his two brothers and their father. At family reunions I met many Ericksons(sp?) as well.

Alexander Englund immigrated shortly afer 1900 and Hannah(Johnson I believe) also came around that time. I don't know from where in Finland. They were married here and had three sons in Portland Oregon. My father Roy Alexander Englund May 16, 1910 in Portland Oregon to April 19, 1963 in Portland Oregon. George Englund, his next brother, born I think 1912/13. Robert Englund born 1920/21. All three of them died of cancer. Hannah died in about 1926/27. Grandpa Alec married his cousin Ruth to care for the kids not too long after that. They did not have any children. He died not long after I was born(1953) in early 1954. Grandma Ruth died in the early 70s from cancer also. At the time she was living in Hazeldel Washington. She and my mother spent a lot of time together since both were widows and lived not that far apart. She was a fabulous cook! Love that Lutfisk with the peppery white sauce! She said that REAL Lutfish was made with ashes not lye. Not sure about that but maybe, lol. We always had a smorgasbord for days over the holidays grasing on the food that was always there! So many good cooks. She made wonderfull Pepparkakor(sp?), cookies. I'm not sure what other information would be helpful. Let me know.

Thanks again, Elodie

June Pelo
04-03-11, 16:48
Finally there's someone else on Finlander who likes Lutfisk - and Pepparkakor! Sounds like you all had a lot of interesting food to eat.. I have a few Englund names, but nothing matches yours. Maybe someone else on Finlander can find some info. for you..

Karen Norwillo
04-03-11, 18:46
I found the family in the 1910-20-30 census. Don't know if you have these images. Also found his WWI Draft Reg Card. Alexander Englund died 31 Jan 1954 in Multnomah county, OR. per OR Death Index 1903-1998. Says spouse Ruth.
Karen

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 20:22
I found the family in the 1910-20-30 census. Don't know if you have these images. Also found his WWI Draft Reg Card. Alexander Englund died 31 Jan 1954 in Multnomah county, OR. per OR Death Index 1903-1998. Says spouse Ruth.
Karen

Wow Karen!

Thank you. I don't have anything. Where did all that come from? It comfirms what I had been told as a child. In the 1910 census it looks like the census taker was struggling with the idea that they were Swedes but from Finland. From Terry Riegle's web page I found a lot of interesting things too. I had no idea that they didn't carry their father's last name. I haven't figured that out yet at all. My Grandma Ruth and her sibblings are named Forsman but her father's last name is Henriksson and her mother's Ost! Go figure? The more people I looked at the more confused I got. At first I thought it had to do with who's son or daughter they were but it turned out to be a lot more confusing. Any place I can go for explanations? Let me know.

Thanks again so much, Elodie

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 20:50
June,

My grandmother said that the commercial Lutfisk she bought was made wrong with lye instead of some kind of wood ash. She would soak and rinse and soak and rinse and on and on. She said no on would eat it if she didn't. I still love Lutfisk, sometimes spelled Lutefisk, but there is often a funny after taste. It's doesn't matter because I would eat it anyway, maybe just because my memories are so good!

Grandma Ruth also made Pepparkakor. She would decorate 1 pound coffee cans and fill them for everyone for Christmas. She used one of the cans cut in half as the cookie cutter. They shrunk just enough for the cookies to fit in them prefectly. so you got a can full of the huge thin cookies. I of course got to eat all the ones that broke in the process! ;) She also made Turkish Delights(applets/cotlets) etc., for everyone. She was a marvelous seamstress too. She even made bras, girdles and just about everything imaginable. She used her old treddle sewing machine which she left to me. It was ruined when my house burned but I still have it in the garage. It would take a miracle to resurect it though.

All the family were incredibly industrious perfectionists. Amazingly intelligent in a quirky sort of way. And yes I resemble that quirky remark, lol.

A fellow Lutfisk lover! Elodie

Karen Norwillo
04-03-11, 21:26
Elodie,
All the info is from Ancestry.com. Now that I know this is the correct one, I will add to it.
Until the early 1900's, people didn't have traditional surnames in Finland. A child was given the patronymic, the first name of their father+son or dotter, ex Maria, daughter of Johan, would become Maria Johansdotter. A son would be Johansson.
There of course were so many with the same name, they often added the name of the farm they were born on and used that as a "surname." It finally got so confusing, the government said "pick a surname and stick with it." On emigrating, Finns were often recorded as Swedish, Finnish, Russian or, Mongolian, believe it or not. Since many came from the Swedish-speaking part of Finland, they considered themselves as Swedish. Great fun for researchers.
Karen

christina
04-03-11, 21:31
From the institute of migration I found this:

Detailed passenger information
Last name Englund
First names Alexander
Age or age group 1M ( 1M = adult man)
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Olympia
State of destination WA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 461
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 17.05.1902
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line Dominion Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 27/30

Didn´t find him in the passport records.
Hälsningar
Christina

Karen Norwillo
04-03-11, 22:00
From Ancestry.com, OR Death Index 1903-1998
Hanna M Englund died 6 Dec 1926 in Portland cert#3105
Ruth Englund born May 1907 died 23 Dec 1971 sp. Alexander cert# 71-19613
Roy A Englund 19 Apr 1963 cert# 5653
George A Englund died 27 Nov 1973 cert # 73-18700
Roy Alexander Englund married Ariss Jeanette Jones 1 Sep 1940 Hill, MT. Image attached, from Family Search. Their spellings.
Also attaching ship manifest for Alexander.

Tapio Rautio
04-03-11, 22:07
Hi!

Jaska Sarell has this Englund family at Talko.

Tapio

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 22:34
From the institute of migration I found this:

Detailed passenger information
Last name Englund
First names Alexander
Age or age group 1M ( 1M = adult man)
Port of departure Hanko
Place of destination Olympia
State of destination WA
Country of destination USA
Price of ticket FIM 461
Ship from Finland Polaris
Date of departure from Finland 17.05.1902
Ship from England *
Date of departure from England 99.99.9999
Ocean Line Dominion Line
Port of departure in England *
List and page 27/30

Didn´t find him in the passport records.
Hälsningar
Christina

Thank you Christina,

That is wonderful. Much information fast my head is swimming. :)

Elodie

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 22:35
Hi!

Jaska Sarell has this Englund family at Talko.

Tapio

Thank you Tapio,

I know nothing about Finland so I have a bit of a leaning curve.

Elodie

Elodie Englund
04-03-11, 22:41
From Ancestry.com, OR Death Index 1903-1998
Hanna M Englund died 6 Dec 1926 in Portland cert#3105
Ruth Englund born May 1907 died 23 Dec 1971 sp. Alexander cert# 71-19613
Roy A Englund 19 Apr 1963 cert# 5653
George A Englund died 27 Nov 1973 cert # 73-18700
Roy Alexander Englund married Ariss Jeanette Jones 1 Sep 1940 Hill, MT. Image attached, from Family Search. Their spellings.
Also attaching ship manifest for Alexander.

Thank you Karen,

The ship manifest is wonderful! I did have the marriage license information. That was in my mother's home town before coming to Oregon. I should join ancestry.com but it's so expensive I have been putting it off.

Elodie

Karen Norwillo
04-03-11, 23:23
Elodie,
From some clues found on Ancestry on a Family Tree by someone named McNeil, I went to Hiski, which is a database in Finland and found this. It's probably on Talko, which are family genealogy databases here on Finlander. Once you submit yours, Hasse will give you a password and you have access to all.
Alexander Johansson Englund was born 12/29/1885 and christened 1/1/1886 in Kronoby, Finland. Parents were Johan Jakobsson Englund born 5/30/1850 and Anna Helena Henriksdotter born 7/18/1850.
11/22/1879 Kronoby marriages Torparesonen, enklingen Johan Jakobsson Englund and bondsdr Anna Helena Henriksdr. Påvall
Anna Helena 's parents were Henrik Jakobsson Påfval (old spelling) 1824-1898 and Beata Maria Johansdotter 1824-1912.
Johan's parents were Johan Jonasson 1829 and Caisa Greta Johansdotter Lillsunde 8/16/1826
Alexander had siblings born Kronoby
7/8/1881 Alexandra
7/17/1887 Eva Maria
12/5/1889 Selma

Elodie Englund
05-03-11, 00:46
Elodie,
From some clues found on Ancestry on a Family Tree by someone named McNeil, I went to Hiski, which is a database in Finland and found this. It's probably on Talko, which are family genealogy databases here on Finlander. Once you submit yours, Hasse will give you a password and you have access to all.
Alexander Johansson Englund was born 12/29/1885 and christened 1/1/1886 in Kronoby, Finland. Parents were Johan Jakobsson Englund born 5/30/1850 and Anna Helena Henriksdotter born 7/18/1850.
11/22/1879 Kronoby marriages Torparesonen, enklingen Johan Jakobsson Englund and bondsdr Anna Helena Henriksdr. Påvall
Anna Helena 's parents were Henrik Jakobsson Påfval (old spelling) 1824-1898 and Beata Maria Johansdotter 1824-1912.
Johan's parents were Johan Jonasson 1829 and Caisa Greta Johansdotter Lillsunde 8/16/1826
Alexander had siblings born Kronoby
7/8/1881 Alexandra
7/17/1887 Eva Maria
12/5/1889 Selma

Karen,

McNeil is probably either my cousin Victoria Jean Englund McNeil or her kids. She is Robert D. Englund's daughter, Alexander Johansson Englund's grandaughter.

Thanks, Elodie

Karen Norwillo
05-03-11, 05:01
Elodie,
Here are some images from FFHA, Finland Family Historical Archives of the Påval family in Ytteresse, Esse, Finland. These are Household rolls, sort of a church census. This is the same place my paternal grandmother was from. I visited here in 2004. You will see the entire familiy of Henrik and Beata Maria with birth dates, also some marriage dates (on the far right). Note on the 1877-1886 image, some of the sons later took the surname Forsman. This image has the families of those married sons on the same page. At the bottom of the 1858-1866 image are the parents of Henrik Jakobsson Påval.
On the right of Anna Helena's name on 1877-1886, you will see a notation of her marriage to Johan Jakobsson Englund 22.11.1879.

Karen Norwillo
05-03-11, 05:53
Alexander Påval Forsman (22 Mar 1858) and his wife Brita Maria (Mary) and daughter Margaret emigrated in 1900 to WA. Says going to brother Anders. Anders (Andrew) Forsman and his family were in Rochester, Thurston, WA. These were brothers of Anna Helena who married Johan Jakobsson Englund. Ruth Forsman was the daughter of Andrew (28 Apr 1867) and Ida Forsman. 1920 census attached.
Brita Maria Hansdotter Lillsunde was 12 years older than her husband Alexander. Kronoby marriages Hiski
18.12.1879 Påvall farm, bondeson Alexander Henriksson and pigan Brita Maria Hansdooter Lillsunde farm were married.
Karen

christina
05-03-11, 10:48
From the passport records in the Institute of Migration:

Detailed passport information
Last name Forsman
First names Alexander
Other names Påvall
Date of birth . .1858
Marital status 2
Religion Lut.
Occupation Työmies
Home parish Kymi
Province VII
Passport date . .1900
Passport number 0
Passport valid (year:month) 5:0
Destination Amerikka
Passport issued by HKO
Remarks Sp vaimo Brita ja tytär Margit.

Didn´t find the family in the passenger records.
Hälsningar
Christina

June Pelo
05-03-11, 16:31
I have Anna Helena's parents in my database; she had a sister Maria, 1856, who had a son Jonas, 1877, who took the name Ericksson; he had a son LeRoy, 1913, whose son Richard (Dick) Erickson is president of SFHS, Seattle, WA.

christina
05-03-11, 18:19
Elodie
Dick Erickson has his family information in the talko-database too.

I have sent you a private message.
Christina

christina
05-03-11, 19:14
From the Talko/Erickson:

Englund Johan Jakobsson
1850 - 1916

Generation: 1

Englund Johan Jakobsson b. 30 May 1850, Kronoby, Finland; d. 06 Mar 1916, Kronoby, Finland.
Johan m. Henriksdotter Anna Helena 18 Dec 1879, Överesse, Finland. Anna (daughter of Jakobsson Henrik and Johansdotter Beata Maria) b. 18 Jul 1850, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 18 Mar 1919, Kronoby, Finland.
Children:

2. Englund Alexsandra b. 08 Jul 1881, Janakkala, Finland; d. 25 Jul 1912.
3. Englund Alexander b. 29 Dec 1885, Kronoby, Finland; d. 31 Jan 1954, Portland, OR.
4. Englund Eva Marie b. 17 Jul 1887, Kronoby, Finland; d. Feb 1985.
5. Englund Selma b. 05 Dec 1889, Kronoby, Finland; d. 14 Oct 1967, Helsingfors, Finland.

__________________________________________________ _______________________
Jakobsson Henrik 1824-1898
Generation: 1

Jakobsson Henrik b. 12 Jan 1824, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 02 Jan 1898, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland.
Henrik m. Johansdotter Beata Maria 12 Dec 1848. Beata b. 02 Nov 1825, Blassar, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 03 Aug 1912, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland.
Children:

2. (Sundqvist) Johan Henriksson b. 03 May 1849, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 18 Apr 1913.
3. Henriksdotter Anna Helena b. 18 Jul 1850, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 18 Mar 1919, Kronoby, Finland.
4. Henriksdotter Maria Lovisa b. 25 Mar 1852, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 27 Jan 1935, Independence, Washington.
5. Henriksdotter Sofia b. 09 Oct 1853, Påfvals, Ytteresse; d. 06 Jan 1936, Sparf, Ytteresse.
6. (Forsman) Gustav Henriksson b. 05 Jun 1855, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 30 Sep 1912, Esse, Finland.
7. (Snellman) Jakob Henriksson b. 22 Sep 1856, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 12 Jun 1938, Hummelholm, Esse, Finland.
8. (Forsman) Alexander Henriksson b. 22 Mar 1858, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 11 Nov 1929, Hummelholm, Esse, Finland; bur. Esse, Finland.
9. Henriksson Anders b. 23 Mar 1860, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 02 Aug 1860, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland.
10. Henriksdotter Kajsa Lisa b. 15 Aug 1861, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 27 Sep 1904, Hackinson, Washington.
11. Henriksdotter Mathilda b. 24 Feb 1865, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 19 Mar 1926, Vancouver, WA.
12. (Forsman) Anders (Andrew) Henriksson b. 28 Apr 1867, Påfvals, Ytteresse, Finland; d. 25 Dec 1960, Federal Way, WA.



Hälsningar
Christina

Terry Reigel
06-03-11, 00:29
This family is on my website, with Alexander at http://reigelridge.com/family/p13250.htm - much of that information developed with the assistance of Jaska Sarell and Jund Pelo several years ago.

I've sent Elodie a copy of her father's ancestors for 11 generations, and also of the descendants of her gg-grandparents, Descendants of Henrik Jakobsson and Beata Maria Johansdotter, mostly those who settled in the Pacific Northwest. I've also sent a copy of a history of the Pavall farm created by the current residents in 1994. If anyone is interested in any of this I'd be happy to provide copies.

Terry Reigel

Terry Reigel
06-03-11, 18:17
From the institute of migration I found this:

Detailed passenger information
Last name Englund
First names Alexander
Christina,

I am interested in finding the emigration record of Alexander's aunt, Matilda Henriksdotter Påvals, my g-grandmother, who emigrated about 1888. What I know about her is on my website, at http://reigelridge.com/roots/p8193.htm

I've tried to locate her on the Institute of Migration site and on Ancestry, with no success. But I have little idea what "surname" to search for - I've found a couple of later references that suggest she used Henriksson or some variation in the US, but no contemporary records showing her name before her marriage. Any clues would be welcome.

Terry Reigel

christina
06-03-11, 21:48
Terry
I have tried to find her, but no. Then I read from the Institute of Migrations website: The passenger lists covers the following periods: The years 1892-1896, 1899-1914, 1920-1939...... And the passport records are based on the lists kept by the provinces and magistrates from the beginning of the 1800's to 1920. At the beginning of 2005 the following areas and time periods were available in the database:

Hanko / Hangö town magistrate, 1900-1903
Häme province, 1903-1904
Kristiinankaupunki / Kristinestad town magistrate, 1890-1891 and 1900-1901
Kokkola / Gamla Karleby town magistrate, 1899-1902
Kuopio province, to Russia: 1890-1899, and to overseas countries (incl. America): 1900-1915
Mikkeli province, 1914-1915
Oulu province, 1897-1922
Turku and Pori province, 1899-1905
Vaasa province, 1896-1904
Viipuri province, to America: 1906-1909
More than 100 000 records are still to be entered in the database.

Christina

Terry Reigel
06-03-11, 22:14
Thanks, Christina. That explains why I couldn't find her.

Terry

Terry Reigel
06-03-11, 22:34
Here are some images from FFHA, Finland Family Historical Archives of the Påval family in Ytteresse, Esse, Finland. These are Household rolls, sort of a church census. This is the same place my paternal grandmother was from. I visited here in 2004. You will see the entire familiy of Henrik and Beata Maria with birth dates, also some marriage dates (on the far right).
Thanks for posting these, Karen. I'm especially interested in Mathilda, born in 1865, my g-grandmother.

I assume these are the "Communion Books" I seem mentioned in various places?

I can understand part of it. I see the names and birth dates and places. But what is the next column? In the 1877-86 record I see entries for only some of the children, with what seem to be dates and places, but I can't read the date for Matilda.

Are the next several columns about the reading tests?

Then there are a series of columns which I take to be the communion records? Looking at Matilda's line there are dates, as in the others, but also numbers. Also, it appears that there is a record for 1887, consistent with the information I have that she emigrated in 1888.

Any help in interpreting this would be appreciated.

Does this record exist for the following time period? If so, might it record her emigration?

Karen, are you descended from this family, or another family at this place?

Terry Reigel

Karen Norwillo
06-03-11, 23:07
Terry,
Not related , just helping out the original poster. You're correct, the rippikirja are a record of the family and their knowledge of their Bible teachings. It shows church/Communion attendance, as well as their vital stats, birth, death and sometimes marriage dates. I see an entry all the way to the right for Mathilda, but it's crossed out. This is usually where a notation is made if someone dies or moves out and where they went. If there are names with no dates or facts in the columns, it's usually because they are too young and not of Confirmation age yet. The column next to the birth day usually tells where the person was born. There isn't alwys something there unless they were born in a different parish. Not all records are equal in info or easy to read. I'm no expert, but have learned the basics over the years.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
06-03-11, 23:18
Terry,
I went back to FFHA and looked at the next rippi 1888-1897. It shows Mathilda moving to Amerika 22.9.1888. So you were correct on the year. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the small notation over it says "gift..." I can't make it out. Maybe someone else can. Gift=married. Note the old spelling of Pawåll.
Karen

Karen Norwillo
06-03-11, 23:32
Terry,
Could this be your Mathilda? She is from Finland, age about right, went through Sweden and destination New York. That doesn't necessarily mean her final destination. Looks like she used her patronymic. The timeline fits. Left Finland in Sept '88. This is from Ancestry.com Gothenburg, Sweden Passenger Lists 1869-1951. She departed Sweden and arrived Hull, England 19 Oct 1888 on Orlando. Probably picking up more passengers or this was a feeder ship.

Terry Reigel
07-03-11, 16:10
Terry,
I went back to FFHA and looked at the next rippi 1888-1897. It shows Mathilda moving to Amerika 22.9.1888. So you were correct on the year. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the small notation over it says "gift..." I can't make it out.
Thanks, Karen,

Where do you find this rippi? I can find the ones for 1858-1866, 1867-1876, and 1877-1886 on the FFHA site, but not this one.

She wasn't married until 1890, in Portland Oregon. Could that be what the note is saying?

Terry

christina
07-03-11, 16:19
Terry,
I went back to FFHA and looked at the next rippi 1888-1897. It shows Mathilda moving to Amerika 22.9.1888. So you were correct on the year. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the small notation over it says "gift..." I can't make it out. Maybe someone else can. Gift=married. Note the old spelling of Pawåll.
Karen

Uppgifvet gift med en tysk. (Married to a german)

Terry Reigel
07-03-11, 16:28
Terry,
Could this be your Mathilda? She is from Finland, age about right, went through Sweden and destination New York. That doesn't necessarily mean her final destination. Looks like she used her patronymic. The timeline fits. Left Finland in Sept '88. She departed Sweden and arrived Hull, England 19 Oct 1888 on Orlando. Probably picking up more passengers or this was a feeder ship.
Could well be, although I can't find anything that definitely proves it. The Orlando does not show up in arrivals in New York, so apparently it was a feeder ship as you say. I only find one ship from Hull landing in New York in the right time frame, and she was not on it.

But I did find the Egypt landed in New York 9 Nov 1880, with what appears to be this Mathilda and 10 other passengers from the Orlando. Many of the names are badly mangled, and Mathida (looking like Marthe) is shown as English, while all her fellow passengers are shown as German. But all the ages match those on the Orlando list exactly. I had actually found this record before, but discarded it because she is shown as English. Your find proves that is wrong. Thanks.

Unfortunately there is nothing on the record that clearly identifies her - she is shown only as going to the United States, and I can't read her "calling." Here is the page where she appears:

3664

Terry

Terry Reigel
07-03-11, 16:36
Uppgifvet gift med en tysk. (Married to a german)
Thanks, Christina. That would be correct, though he might have taken offense at that characterization. :)

His family immigrated to the St. Louis area in 1881, when he was 17. It apparently was a very German community and a few years later he is supposed to have said "If I had wanted to live in Germany I wouldn't have left," and took off for the west coast. He landed in Portland, where they met and married.

Terry

Karen Norwillo
07-03-11, 17:00
Terry,
Do you have a paid subscription to FFHA? if not, there are some records only open to those with a subscription. It's very $$ reasonable and I have records for my family, 3 sides, back as far as the records go. My fm was from the same area, Esse. The rippi in question is the last one for Esse.
Karen

Terry Reigel
10-03-11, 16:11
Elodie,
Here are some images from FFHA, Finland Family Historical Archives of the Påval family in Ytteresse, Esse, Finland.
Can anyone recommend an aid in understanding the information on the communication records beyond the names and birth information? For example, in the second register in Karen's post #17 above, the meaning of the column that seems to be headed "Kommen ifrän"? It is populated for only some of the people, apparently with dates and places, though I can't make out the date on Mathilda's line, which is the one I'm most interested in. But also, is there a way to understand the meaning of the following columns, which I understand relate to reading abilities?

Terry Reigel

June Pelo
10-03-11, 16:57
Here are a couple of websites that may help:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Sweden:_Household_Examination_Records_(Husf%C3%B6r h%C3%B6rsl%C3%A4ngder)

http://www.bridgetosweden.com/letter%2021.htm
(Husförhörslängder - household examination records)

The Lutheran Church was the state church of Finland and Sweden - and the churches kept similar records. People were required to learn to read and write and to know the Catechism. The parish priest visited every farm and held examinations to test each person's knowledge. There were punishments for people who didn't comply - such as sitting in a stock in olden days, or even being whipped. I have an article about education requirements in Nedervetil parish which bear this out.

Terry Reigel
10-03-11, 18:34
Thanks, June.

Those are both helpful. Unfortunately, neither mentions the column labeled "Kommen ifrän." :(

Terry

June Pelo
10-03-11, 20:09
Terry,

Komma means come - ifrån is from or away. So perhaps it means they: came or moved from

Terry Reigel
10-03-11, 21:11
Thanks, June,

That seemed confusing at first, because it shows several of the children in the family coming from other places. But after looking closely, it makes sense.

Matilda, born in 1865, is shown as coming from Pedersö (I think, maybe Pedersöre?) in 1886. There is a note in the far right column, crossed out, that seems to mention the same place. So she moved there for a while and came back? I see she is not recorded as taking communion in 1886.

Also, her older brother Alexander, who is shown separately with his wife on the 1877-1886 list, is shown as coming from the same place in 1877. Perhaps both moved away and then came back to Påvals?

Alexander's wife is shown as coming from Kronoby 31(?) Dec 1879, which makes sense. They were married there 18 Dec 1879.

Terry

Ulla in DK
11-01-12, 19:49
Hi Elodie My name is Ulla and I'm living in Denmark. My mother came from Finland, Grankulla. Her maiden name was Lindroos. Her father was Karl Emil Lindroos and her mother Elin Augusta Lindroos (born Jansson) Elin's sister Hanna, emmigrated to USA, before my mother was born in 1921. I have pictures of Hanna, Roy and George. I've started an album with my family history and found some more pictures of Roy, George and Hanna with little Robert from august 1920. One of the pictures of Roy and George is from a studio in Portland Ore. I think my mother was your fathers cousin :-)
I don't know much about Hanna and Elin's parents. I have a picture of there mother Alexandra Jansson (maidenname Enberg) and maybe a g.mother called Carlotta. And a picture of there father Alexandar Jansson, but I don't know where they lived.
I can tell you more about my mothers family if you want.

Elodie Englund
12-01-12, 08:39
Hi Elodie My name is Ulla and I'm living in Denmark. My mother came from Finland, Grankulla. Her maiden name was Lindroos. Her father was Karl Emil Lindroos and her mother Elin Augusta Lindroos (born Jansson) Elin's sister Hanna, emmigrated to USA, before my mother was born in 1921. I have pictures of Hanna, Roy and George. I've started an album with my family history and found some more pictures of Roy, George and Hanna with little Robert from august 1920. One of the pictures of Roy and George is from a studio in Portland Ore. I think my mother was your fathers cousin :-)
I don't know much about Hanna and Elin's parents. I have a picture of there mother Alexandra Jansson (maidenname Enberg) and maybe a g.mother called Carlotta. And a picture of there father Alexandar Jansson, but I don't know where they lived.
I can tell you more about my mothers family if you want.

Greetings cousin Ulla! I know only sketchy things about the family. My Grandpa Alec, Alexander Englund, is the one that was married to Hannah. My father Roy, was 16 when Hannah passed away. I didn't know Grandpa Alec because I was only a few months old when he passed away. His second wife Ruth Foresman, who was his cousin, was the only grandparent I knew. My father Roy passed away, when I was 9, in early 1963 from leukemia. He had been ill 23 years earlier with Hodgkin's which had been arrested by massive doeses of radiation which may have actually caused the leukemia. A lot of the family had cancer. Elodie

O.Englund
26-04-14, 23:04
Hi Elodie!

Hope your are still active in this forum? I have make litte research of my familytree and we might got one similar thing.. my grandads grandad has moved to Kurkijoki (little village in Karelia region, belong to Finland before WWII) From Kronoby, same village as Alexander. I know that Englunds family has came from Uumeå, Sweden at 1700 century. There was 6 brothers and they moved to Kronoby (Kruunupyy). They all worked to goverment, different positions (railway, priest, forestspecialist..) but, there was big starvation between 1760-1790 in Finland and lots of people moved to east side of Finland to find they way of living and stay alive. So thatway my family has separated from other Englunds in Finland.

Elodie Englund
27-04-14, 03:33
Hi Elodie!

Hope your are still active in this forum? I have make litte research of my familytree and we might got one similar thing.. my grandads grandad has moved to Kurkijoki (little village in Karelia region, belong to Finland before WWII) From Kronoby, same village as Alexander. I know that Englunds family has came from Uumeå, Sweden at 1700 century. There was 6 brothers and they moved to Kronoby (Kruunupyy). They all worked to goverment, different positions (railway, priest, forestspecialist..) but, there was big starvation between 1760-1790 in Finland and lots of people moved to east side of Finland to find they way of living and stay alive. So thatway my family has separated from other Englunds in Finland.

Greetings from Oregon,

I do take a peek once in a while here but have not for a few months.

My father, grandfather and the other relatives here always wanted to make sure everyone knew they were really Swedes, not Fins. It seemed to be important to them to maintain the Swedish identity even though they had been in Finland for a long time.

My grandfather Alexander Englund met and married here, to Hannah. After she passed away he sent for his first cousin Ruth Forsman to care for his three boys, my father Roy Alexander was the eldest. He later married Ruth but they had no children, I believe on purpose because of the their close relationship.

From what I understand they took different last names when they emigrated to the US, rather than the farm names they used in Finland. Englund, Erickson and Forsman, as well as other last names all came from the same family.

Elodie

O.Englund
28-04-14, 23:45
It seems that i have to spend my holiday time in Finnish national archive :cool:
I have use KATIHA webportal for finding my family but it only shows person who has lived on karelia region, not the whole Finland. So there i find my grandads grandad, Matts, (later has took finnish name Matti) I believe that Matts or his father has moved from Kronoby.. but,
National Archive has not serching tool in web, so i have to travel to nearest archive (not in my town) and for family-man, its never too easy to use day or two in out of town :)

I will tell you if i find any intresting data (specially when Englunds has came to Kronoby)

OLLI