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HelenaB
19-09-11, 23:46
I am looking for more info about my great grandmother Ellen Emilia Berg, born Joensuu.
She was born the 23-24 june 1904 in Finland somewhere, married a Frans William Berg. She died in -88. She was a milk maid on a farm in the southern part of Finland during the Finnish Winter War.. basically what I would like to know is what her parents name was and if she had any siblings.

I thank you in advance.

Karen Norwillo
20-09-11, 19:02
Helena,
Was she born a Berg or is that her married name? Do you know her birth surname?
Karen

HelenaB
20-09-11, 21:53
She is born a Joensuu she married Frans Villiam Berg

Karen Norwillo
20-09-11, 22:35
Joensuu was a village in both Kontiolahti and Kiuruvesi in Eastern Finland. Wikipedia says North Karelia. I looked at the births for Kontiolahti on FFHA and didn't find her in 1904. Kiuruvesi births don't go that far.

HelenaB
20-09-11, 22:50
ok. thanks for looking.. Joensuu can be the farm where her family are from.. at least that is what I have come to believe due to other ancestors and their last name being linked to the place where they where born

New info: Her mother was named Ida Maria and her father Johan Fredrik Joensuu..

KKujansuu
23-09-11, 20:43
Hi,

I found Ellen Emilia. She was also born in Lappfjärd, in Härkmeri village, Ånäs farm, on June 24, 1904. Parents were Johan Fredrik Joensuu (also known as Ånäs) and Ida Maria (born Sundqvist). Johan Fredrik was born in Pomarkku on April 29, 1859 and Ida Maria in Isojoki on Sep 27, 1875. The age difference is because Ida Maria was Johan's second wife, his first wife Maria Alvina died in 1901 after the birth of son Walter.

Ellen Emilia had the following siblings:
- Alvina Alexandra, born 5 Sep 1890
- Johan Adrian, 26 June 1895
- Justus Leander, 15 Mar 1901 (this was Ida Maria's illegitimate child, apparently with another man)
- Walter Alexander Mikael, 13 Sep 1901
- Konrad Evert, 24 Dec 1902

The available records end at 1903 so it is not known if there are even more siblings.

Here is a link to the birth record of Johan Fredrik: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t6088067
and this is an image of the church book that show his family in Pomarkku: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pomarkku/rippikirja_1864-1870_mko52-64/304.htm.

Ida Maria's family in Isojoki is in this picture: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/126.htm.

hope this helps
Kari

HelenaB
24-09-11, 12:30
yes this helped alot thanks :)

HelenaB
02-10-11, 01:40
Is it possible to dig further back?

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 03:12
Here is Johan Fredrik with parents and siblings: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/pomarkku/rippikirja_1864-1870_mko52-64/304.htm

HisKi shows his father David, born 16.12.1820, Hongakoski, Pomarkku; parents Johan Kallionkieli and Maja Stina, age 35

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 05:24
The parents of Ida Maria Sundqvist were Karl Gustaf Sundqvist eller Isohaaro and Eva Kaisa Silfver.
Eva Kaisa Silfver was the third wife of Karl Gustaf Sundqvist; and HisKi shows them married 5.12.1872.
They are shown here in Isojoki Rippikirja: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1866-1872_mko141-161/90.htm
Also here: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/101.htm
And here you can see Ida Maria, born 27.9.1875: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/126.htm

The first wife of Carl Gustaf Sundqvist was Amalia Elisabeth Mattsdr Hietaoja, and they were married on 17.7.1842
They are shown here with their children, at the farm Isohaaro in Isojoki Rippikirja, 1856-1865: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1856-1865_uk181/87.htm

Amalia Elisabeth died 20.1.1857 at Isohaaro.

Enkl (widower) Karl Gustaf Sundqvist eller Isohaaro married Maria Caisa Göransdr Isoharro on 11.7.1858. Maria Caisa is also shown on the page from Rippikirja above.

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 05:29
Karl Gustaf Sundqvist eller Isohaaro and Eva Kaisa Silfver were married 28.12.1872. Their marriage was announced 5.12.1872. Sorry...

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 05:33
Maria Caisa Göransdr died 7.7.1861, at Isohaaro (see Isojoki Rippikirja 1856-1865)

HelenaB
02-10-11, 10:33
Seems like I have a discrepancy here... In one link (http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1873-1882_mko162-182/126.htm) Ida Maria is born 1875... in another (http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1866-1872_mko141-161/90.htm) she is born 1869... am I going mad or something?

nvm I found the problem... the one born in 1869 was dead by 1873 and born out of wedlock...

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 16:04
Here are the pages in Isojoki Rippikirja, taken from the members' site at SSHY.

Ida Maria had a daughter out of wedlock, Tyyne Maria, born 30.5.1898.

She moved from Isojoki to Lappfjärd on 7.2.1900.

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 16:22
Karl Gustaf Sundqvist was born 23.5.1824, in Sideby. He came to Hietaoja, Isojoki in 1841.

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/muuttokirjoja_1835-1842_uk183-184/313.htm
http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/muuttokirjoja_1835-1842_uk183-184/314.htm

Here are more pages from Isojoki Rippikirja:

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1846-1855_uk180-181/84.htm

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1838-1845_uk180/59.htm

BessemerFinn
02-10-11, 17:59
Karl Gustaf Figer (eller Sundqvist) moved from Sideby to Isojoki (Storå) in 1841.

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/muuttaneet_1828-1885_uk188/20.htm

And here he is in Sideby Rippikirja, with his mother (widow) Lisa Figer, born 1784, Storå (Isojoki); and brother Henrik, born 24.6.1812, Sideby. Both Karl Gustaf and Henrik were born out of wedlock:

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/rippikirja_1838-1844_uk186/81.htm

Difficult to read, but I think this is the birth for Carl Gustaf (right page, 3rd entry):

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/syntyneet-vihityt-kuolleet_1787-1856_uk187/67.htm

HisKi shows that widow Lisa Figer moved from Sideby to Isojoki on 23.10.1844. She went to the same farm in Isojoki (Hietaoja) as her son Carl Gustaf. And is shown as the last name on the page below.

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/rippikirja_1838-1845_uk180/59.htm

BessemerFinn
03-10-11, 22:08
Lisa Figer, born 1784, is shown in Sideby Rippikirja, 1801-1813, at Fladaby Soldaten with husband Johan Figer, born 20.4.1773?
There are two other children, Gretha Lisa, born 1805, died 1807; and Johan, born 1807.
Also shown is her illegitimate son Henric, born 1812.
The only communion marking for Johan Figer is 1807. So he must have died before Henric was born in 1812.

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/rippikirja_1807-1823_uk185/47.htm

Johan's Sideby birth record is here (right page, last entry):

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/siipyy/syntyneet-vihityt-kuolleet_1787-1856_uk187/32.htm

I couldn't find a Sideby birth record for Gretha Lisa. So perhaps she was born elsewhere?

BessemerFinn
03-10-11, 22:18
HisKi shows Greta Lisa, born 23.12.1805, Mörtm., Lappfjärd; parents Reserv (Soldier in the Reserves) Johan Isaksson and Lisa

BessemerFinn
03-10-11, 22:26
Reserv Johan Isaksson and Lisa Johansdr were married 31.3.1805, Lappfjärd.

BessemerFinn
04-10-11, 03:41
I don't think Lisa Johansdr, mother of Karl Gustaf Sundqvist was born in Storå (Isojoki), as shown in Sideby Rippikirja, 1838-1844.

HisKi shows only one Elisabet (Lisa), with father Johan, born in Isojoki during 1784; she being Elisabet, born 3.2.1784, Öfverkodes; parents Johan Mattsson and Maria Johansdr.
I followed her through Isojoki Rippikirja and during the years 1804-1810, she was married to Henric Mattsson and still in Isojoki.

So I think your Lisa Johansdr was born in Lappfjärd; and that she is Elisabetha, a twin, born 10.2.1784, Stormahls, Mortm., Lappfjärd; parents Skrädd (Tailor) Johan Steinars and Maria Andersdr (age 30) (born act 1754)

BessemerFinn
04-10-11, 03:54
Disregard what I just said about Elisabeta, born 10.2.1784, Lappfjärd. She and her twin Anna both died in 1784.

HelenaB
04-10-11, 22:22
thank you :)

BessemerFinn
05-10-11, 04:54
you're welcome...:)

Kaarina
03-01-12, 22:12
I have these in my details, Johan Fredrik Joensuu ancestry and Ida Maria Sundqvist.

Kaarina

Kaarina
03-01-12, 23:49
Eva Caisa's illegitimate daughter Ida Maria b. 11/9 1869 died 6/11 1873 4 years 1 month old.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/isojoki/kuolleet_1864-1885_mko187-189/44.htm

Kaarina