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kbgen
30-09-13, 00:12
Hello! Since so many were helpful with another search I have a couple more I've been researching for a long time to no avail I was hoping this wonderful forum might be able to help me with. In this thread...

I am looking for Amanda Birling's parents. She was born 6 Sep 1858 in Kurikka, Finland and died on 20 Jan 1889 in Kurikka, Finland. I know because I have a picture of her tombstone. She was married to my 2nd great grandfather, Iisakki Homi e. Rinta-Homi (16 Jun 1858 - 18 Dec 1936) also from Kurikka.

In my research in Kurikka the records just don't go back as far as I need and there are many Birlings but I just don't know who her parents are. Any and all help I really appreciate!

Thank you so much!

BessemerFinn
30-09-13, 05:29
Amanda, born 8.9.1858, Kurikka; parents Salomon Birling and Anna Sofia Johansdr: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/syntyneet_1851-1868_mko20-33/88.htm

Kurikki Rippikirja 1856: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/sivut_eng/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=13736&pnum=566

Kurikka Rippikirja 1851-1855: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/sivut_eng/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=13735&pnum=361

BessemerFinn
30-09-13, 06:46
Sorry, I sent you links to Kurikka Rippikirja from the members' site at FFHA. Here they are from the free (non-members) site:

1856: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/rippikirja_1856-1864_uk89-90/566.htm

1851-1855: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/rippikirja_1851-1855_uk89/361.htm

kbgen
07-10-13, 00:05
BessemerFinn,

Thank you soooooooo much for your help. You are an angel for me and my research into my unknown family I'm trying so hard to find the roots for. I appreciate your links and I was hoping to trouble you with a few questions...

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/syntyneet_1851-1868_mko20-33/88.htm

On the above link I can see an "Amanda" listed second from the bottom left...and I can read "Salomon" there as well but I do not see her birth date there and honestly can't read the rest of the entry. Could you help with that?

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/rippikirja_1856-1864_uk89-90/566.htm

On this link I see her parents but I do not see Amanda listed there or anyone born in 1858. Is she listed there? And does it show Salomon's middle name as "Magnus"?

http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/rippikirja_1851-1855_uk89/361.htm

On this link I don't see Amanda listed as well. Also could you tell me what is said above Salomon's name? And the first entry...Abraham...is that Salomon's father? And if so could you read what Abraham's full name is as well as his wife?

Thank you so much again! Do you live in Finland? Or have you just done a bunch or research in your years? I am hoping to get there one day where I can read all this! =)

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 04:58
The year is 1858, although it is not shown on these pages. In the first column is the month, September. The second column shows the birth date, 8; the third column is the christening date 12; and the fourth column shows the age of Amanda's mother, which looks like 34. But I think Anna Sofia Johansdr, who was born in 1823, was actually 35 at the time of Amanda's birth. The text following Amanda's name, is difficult to read. But it contains the names of her parents, Salomon Birling Lusa and Anna Sofia Johansdr; followed by the names of her godparents, Jacob Johansson ? and his wife Susanna; Jacob Isaksson? Lusa; and pig (maid servant or young, unmarried girl) Maria Johansdr.

It took me awhile to find the family in Kurikka again. Salomon Birling, wife Anna Sofia, and children Susanna Sofia, Samuel, Salomon, Maria, Anna Lisa and Johan, moved from Kurikka to Ilmajoki in 1856. But in 1857, they moved back to Kurikka and can be found here, at the farm Yli Lusa http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kurikka/rippikirja_1856-1864_uk89-90/380.htm You can now also see daughters Amanda and Johanna; and son Benjamin.

This page shows Salomon Magnus Johansson Birling was born 27.10.1824, Ilmajoki

HisKi birth http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/4sktht?en+0115+kastetut+12303 parents Dr (Dräng, farm-hand or hired man) Johan Henrik Birling and Susanna Mattsdr, age 28

Ilmajoki birth record http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ilmajoki/syntyneet_1823-1850_ik416/25.htm

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 05:00
PS...I live in Poland, Ohio...and you're right...I've done a "bunch" of research... :)

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 05:08
To answer you other question, written above the name of Salomon Magnus Birling in Kurikka Rippikirja, 1851-1855, is Perälä Torp. A Torp was a croft or tenant farm, land belonging to the main farm but situated outside, or on the outskirts, of the village. Salomon Magnus Birling's occupation is shown to the left of his name, Torp. or Torpare, a crofter or tenant farmer, something akin to a share cropper in our Colonial South.

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 18:51
Ilmajoki Rippikirja, 1819-1825, Johan Henrik Birling, born 16.8.1792; wife Susanna Mattsdr, born 10.7.1796, Kurikka. Susanna Mattsdr came to Ilmajoki in 1817. They moved to Kurikka in 1826.

Johan Henrik Birling and Susanna Mattsdr were married 27.12.1818, Ilmajoki

HisKi http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/4sh4u6?en+0115+vihityt+2222

Ilmajoki marriage record attached

Johan Henrik, born 16.8.1792, Ilmajoki; parents Salomon Birling and Beata Catarina Inberg (HisKi) http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/4siwxg?en+0115+kastetut+7866

Susanna Mattsdr, born 10.7.1796, Kurikka (HisKi) http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/4sh237?en+0251+kastetut+3924

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 18:56
Here is the record of Johan Henrik Birling's move into Kurikka on 23.7.1826. He moved there with wife Susanna Mattsdr and children Caisa Lovisa, Susanna Beata and Salomon Magnus.

BessemerFinn
07-10-13, 19:03
Kurikka Rippikirja 1821-1827, Johan Henrik Birling and family.

Here you also see the family of Gustaf Adolf Birling, born 3.9.1795, Ilmola (Ilmajoki), the brother of Johan Henrik Birling.

BessemerFinn
08-10-13, 04:40
Kurikka Rippikirja, 1872-1882, Ladva Nisula: Salomon Magnus Birling died there on 10.10.1882

On 30.12.1877, Amanda Birling married Iisakki (Isak) Matinpoika Laitila (Kurikka marriage record attached)

She is shown at Laitila Rinta Homi, with husband Isak, born 16.6.1858, Kurikka; and children Mathias, born 16.10.1878; Salomoni Maunu, born 26.3.1880; and Frans Iisakki, born 22.11.1881

Birth records to follow...

BessemerFinn
08-10-13, 04:46
Birth records for Mathias, Salomoni Maunu and Frans Iisakki

BessemerFinn
08-10-13, 05:07
Kurikka Rippikirja, 1883-1892...4 more children. Amanda Birling died 20.1.1889; Matias, born 16.10.1878, died 14.10.1883; and Frans Iisakki, born 22.11.1881, died 27.10.1883

Samueli Wihtori, born 25.9.1883; Yrjö Matias, born 21.2.1885; Frans Iisakki, born 6.11.1886; and Juhanna Sofia, born 11.8.1888

kbgen
12-10-13, 00:50
BessemerFinn,

Again...ANGEL!! Thank you so much!!! I am going to digest this and save the documents and such and see what info I can get from them that you might not have mentioned and see where I can go from here on Amanda Birling and Anna Kaisa Hakkarainen. I am still in search for Amanda Birling's mother, Anna Sofia Johansdotter's surname and parents, and Salomon Magnus Johansson Birling's mother, Susanna Mattsdotter's surname and parents. Thanks again and my whole family thanks you too! Need any North Carolina genealogical research done hehe? Thanks!

-Kirsten

kbgen
12-10-13, 03:42
I'm so excited. I found Anna Sofia's parents! What a good night of super sleuthing. She's a Rinta-Hoiska. Parents are Johan Johansson Rinta-Hoiska and Sofia Jacobsdotter Ala-Yrjänäinen. I've got a ton of work to do but I just had to post my excitement! =)

BessemerFinn
12-10-13, 16:21
I know the feeling!

BessemerFinn
14-10-13, 15:58
Johan Gustaf Juhonpoika Järnberg, born 30.3.1852, Merikarvia

HisKi: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/4t7x0m?en+0325+kastetut+8937
Merikarvia Birth Record: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/merikarvia/syntyneet_1852-1879_mko607-622/5.htm

Merikarvia Rippikirja:

1860-1866, Sofia Vilhelmina, born 8.12.1827, married again, to Abraham Eriksson, born 2.11.1814: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/merikarvia/rippikirja_1860-1866_mko146-156/220.htm

1858-1859: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5500056

1853-1858, Sofia Vilhelmina shown as a widow and living with her parents, Smed (blacksmith) Johan Jakob Järnberg, born 11.4.1803, and Lovisa Johansdr, born 19.10.1797; also shown is Johan Gustaf, born 30.8.1852 (an error in the birth date) and Sofia Vilhelmina's illegitimate son Alexander, born 6.1.1855: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5500048

1846-1852, Sofia Vilhelmina shown as a widow and living with her parents; moved here from a farm on page 467 in 1853: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5494974

1851-1852, Johan Gust Johansson, born 7.5.1824, Ikalis (Ikaalinen); wife Sofia Vilhelmina; son Johan Gustaf, born 30.?.1852; Johan Gust Johansson and Sofia Vilhelmina were married 11.1.1852; Johan Gust Johansson died 13.1.1853: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5494996

Johan Gustaf Johansson, Sofia Wilhelmina Jernberg, Merikarvia Marriage Record: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/merikarvia/vihityt_1852-1886_mko748-751/1.htm

Merikarvia Death Record: Johan Gustaf Johansson died 13.1.1853; age 28 years, 8 months and 6 days; cause of death was lungsot (tuberculosis, consumption); his age at death matches up with a birth date of 7.5.1824: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/merikarvia/kuolleet_1852-1886_mko778-782/7.htm

HisKi does not show a Johan Gustav Johansson born May 1824, Ikaalinen. So he is still a work in progress.

Merikarvia Rippikirja, 1826-1832, Jacob Jernberg, wife Lovisa Johansdr, daughter Sofia Wilhelmina and son Carl Fredrick came to Merikarvia from Norrmark (Noormarkku) in 1829: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5493831

Noormarkku Rippikirja:

1826-1832: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/noormarkku/rippikirja_1826-1832_mko19-24/70.htm
Noormarkku birth records are not available at FFHA or HisKi prior to 1830. But Sofia Wilhelmina must have been born there.

1819-1825; Johan Jacob, born 14.11.1803, parents Michel Järnberg, born 9.9.1756 and Maria Strömblad?, born 1765: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/noormarkku/rippikirja_1819-1825_mko13-18/46.htm

1806-1811: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/noormarkku/rippikirja_1806-1811_mko1-6/42.htm

And based on the records, I would say the names Jernberg and Järnberg are interchangeable...

BessemerFinn
14-10-13, 18:13
Merikarvia Rippikirja, 1840-1846, Johan Gustaf Johansson, born 7.5.1824; the first communion marking for him here is 1841; and the fourth column shows he came from Ikalis (Ikaalinen) in 1840 http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5494365

Here is the record of his move out of Ikaalinen. He came from the farm Järvenpää (entry number 73) http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/muuttaneet_1818-1858_jk780/44.htm

Ikaalinen Rippikirja, 1838-1844, Ikalis Järvenpää, Part 1 (Part 2 is on the next image): Johan Gustaf Johansson, born 7.5.1824; the last column shows he went to Sastmola (Merikarvia) on 13.11.1840 http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/rippikirja_1838-1844_jk771-772/117.htm Torp. (Torpare, a crofter or tenant farmer) Johan Mattsson, born 5.5.1795, died 4.1.1845; wife Anna Stina Johansdr, born 5.2.1802; she was not Johan Gustaf's mother.

Ikaalinen Rippikirja, 1830-1837: Johan Mattsson's wife here was Gretha Henriksdr, born 3.2.1798, died 9.10.1833. But unknown if she was the mother of Johan Gustaf. The family came to this farm in 1833, from a farm on page 95 (4th column) http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/rippikirja_1830-1837_jk770-771/107.htm

Page 95 here, which shows you can find the family on page 140 in the previous book (1822-1829): http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/rippikirja_1830-1837_jk770-771/193.htm

And here they are: http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/rippikirja_1822-1829_jk769-770/140.htm Johan Mattsson came from Kyrö on 19.11.1824. Gretha Henriksdr came from the farm on page 584, here http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/rippikirja_1822-1829_jk769-770/590.htm

Johan Mattsson came to Ikaalinen alone, on 19.11.1924 http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ikaalinen/muuttaneet_1818-1858_jk780/16.htm

I haven't been able to find a marriage record for Johan Mattsson and Gretha Henriksdr; or a birth record for Johan Gustaf. So Johan Gustaf's parents are still unknown...