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bsandve
04-11-14, 15:19
I'm having difficulty finding any Finnish records the family members listed below--they are very distant cousins. Any help would be appreciated, possibly for birth or census records, that would help verify these family members from Haapavesi.
Father: (unknown first name) Alatalo, Haapavesi
Mother: Emma Alatalo, Haapavesi, died after 1915
Children:
1) Liisa Aliina, born 29 Jan 1898 Haapavesi; arrival 7 Apr 1915 NY (final dest. Astoria, Oregon; Finnish contact: mother-Emma Alatalo), in Calgary 1921 Census (Alina Stair); emigr to USA (Seattle via Vancouver) 1923
2) Johan Matias, born abt 1900 Haapavesi (got passport same time as sister but did not travel)
3) Hilma Emilia, born abt 1903 Haapavesi, arrival Jun 1920 to Calgary, Alberta, Canada; emigr to USA 1923 (Seattle)
4) Anna Helena, born abt 1905 Haapavesi, arrival Jun 1920 Calgary, 1921 Census (Helen Allan)
5) Fanny Johanna, born 2 Jan 1908 Haapavesi, arrival Jun 1920 Calgary, 1921 Census (Hanah Allan); emigr to USA 1923 (Seattle)

Regards,
Bill
Austin, TX

Karen Norwillo
04-11-14, 20:06
Here is the naturalization of Fanny Johanna. It shows a wealth of information. Looks like she was using Fay Johanna. She was married to Alex Hetland. Names of children, births etc all listed. His date and place of birth given, date and place of marriage, her emigration to US from Canada.
Alina Stair and her husband John lived in Maple Leaf, King, WA in 1930 with children Margaret 10, John Edward 8 and Earl W 7. Children born in Canada. He was a dry cleaner. Alina died 22 May 1982 in Seattle, King, WA per SSDI and WA Death Index.

Karen Norwillo
04-11-14, 20:37
Alex and Fae J Hetland are buried in Grand Army of the Republic cemetery in Snohomish, WA. Note spelling of Fay. Alex died 22 Oct 1967. He was born 27 Dec 1892.
In 1940 they lived in Machias, Snohomish, WA. Children listed Eloise L 12 and Alex J 10, both born WA.

BessemerFinn
04-11-14, 21:03
Haapavesi Henkikirjat shows the following for farm Haapajärvi 19, Alatalo:

1895: Aappo Alatalo, born 1868; wife Emma, born 1870; one daughter; Aappo's mother Hedvig, born 1845

1900: Aappo Alatalo, born 1868; wife Emma, born 1870; 3 daughters

1905: Aappo Alatalo, born 1868; wife Emma, born 1870; 1 son and 4 daughters

1910: Widow Emma Alatalo, born 1870, one son and 5 daughters

1890: Widow Hedvig Alatalo, born 1845; son Aappo, born 1868; so Aappo Alatalo must have married Emma (surname unknown) between 1890 and 1895...

I can't get the files to upload...will try again later...

Karen Norwillo
04-11-14, 21:29
Here is the 1862-1869 Alatalo rippi showing Aappo (Abram Olofsson) and Hedvig. Olof Alatalo died 30.8.1868. He and Hedvig married 26.6.1866

BessemerFinn
04-11-14, 21:30
You will find Abram Olofsson with parents Olof and Hedvig at Haapajärvi 19, Alatalo, Haapavesi, here: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/haapavesi/rippikirja_1862-1869_mko93-111/98.htm

Karen Norwillo
04-11-14, 23:22
Here are a few more facts from USA that you might already have. In 1940, the Stair family is enumerated as Starr. John 43, Lena 42, Margaret 20, Edward 18 (John Edward) and Earl W 17. Margaret E Stair married Donald E Harris 22 Feb 1941 in Seattle. Earl Woodrow Stair 22 Jan 1923 died 18 Dec 1996 and is buried in Tahoma National Cemetery in Kent, King, WA.
Alex J Hetland 16 Dec 1929 died 24 Jun 1994 Snohomish, WA. Served US Army 1951-1956. Wife Norma.

BessemerFinn
04-11-14, 23:29
Haapavesi Henkikirjat 1890, 1895, 1900, 1905 and 1910

bsandve
05-11-14, 03:11
Thanks to you both for the quick responses. This will get me going on the right track in the Finnish records that exist.

Bill

Karen Norwillo
05-11-14, 17:29
Here's Eloise L. Hetland Fields in GAR Cemetery, Snohomish, WA

Karen Norwillo
07-11-14, 18:34
Is it possible your John Alatalo was a seaman? There are several entries on Ancestry for a John Alatalo from Finland as a crew member on various ships. He is about the correct age in all of them. I copied one of them. Several had him landing in New Orleans in 1928 and then in New York in 1932.

bsandve
07-11-14, 19:48
Karen, Thanks for the information to look into on John/Johan Alatalo--I'll look harder at that.

I've also been still trying to figure out how to find Emma's Alatalo's maiden name and from that, her family branch in Finland. I have not been successful so far, but I've looking into one possible path..
1) When daughter Liisa Aliina came to America in 1915, her fare was paid by her aunt Sophia Hauru from Astoria, Oregon, the place where Alina was also married later.
2) Her aunt was not likely from Alina's father's side of the family since, her father Abram's father Olof died the month before Abram was born in Sep 1868 and Haapavesi parish records show only one son with his Olof's widow, Hedvig in 1869 who never remarried.
3) Sophia Hauru might have been Emma's sister or sister-in-law. Since the 1910 US Census records for Astoria, Oregon listed Sophia's immigration date as 1900 and her husband's immigration date as 1902, her maiden must not have been Hauru, so I think she must be Emma's sister. (Potential issue: the birth years of Emma in 1870 and Sophia in 1885 seem a pretty big gap, but its still possible.)
4) I found a website listing Finns who died in Clatsop county, which listed her last name as Laukka, and her father's name as John Laukka.
Death Certificates of Finns in Clatsop County, Oregon, circa 1905-1944: HAURU, SOFIA LAUKKA -- Born June 3, 1885, Oulu, Finland. Died March 17, 1942, Astoria, Ore. Wife of John Hauru. Father: John Laukka (b. Finland). http://www.genealogia.fi/emi/emi3d20s2e.htm
5) HisKi does have a Johannes Laukka born 3 Dec 1848, who could be the father of both Sofia and Emma timewise, but I can't locate his family in the later Rippis that exist. (3.12.1848, 6.12.1848, B.s. Anders Thom.s. Laukka Haikola; Maria Helena, 25-30, Johannes)

Karen Norwillo
07-11-14, 23:17
I looked through the entire year of 1870 in Haapjärvi for a birth for Emma. Haapavesi doesn't show births on FFHA.org. There is only one Emma. Born 4.9.1870 to widow Fredrika ? öä. She's on the right.

bsandve
08-11-14, 01:18
That's certainly a possibility for Emma. I guess there's really no way to prove it one way or the other though. I also went thru the Haapavesi Rippik. 1873-1879 page by page and did not find a suitable Emma born in 1870 there.

BessemerFinn
08-11-14, 02:44
1890 Haapavesi Henkikirjat shows Emma Laukka, born 1870, at Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen

BessemerFinn
08-11-14, 15:17
1905 Michigan Marriage Record: Sofia Laukka, age 22, and John August Hauru, age 26, both born in Finland and residents of Ishpeming, MI; married 23.6.1905, Ishpeming...Sophia's parents identified as Juho Laukka and Maria Toivola.

Institute of Migration Passport records show Sofia Laukka, born 1881, home parish Nivala; received a passport to America 5.1902; passenger records show Sofia Laukka age 20, departed Finland 14.5.1902, destination Ishpeming, MI

1902 NY Passenger List shows her going to join brother Heikki Laukka, Ishpeming

Institute of Migration Passport records show Heikki Laukka, born 24.8.1872; home parish Haapavesi; received a passport to America 14.11.1898

Oulu birth records do not show Sofia/Sophia born 3.6.1885; or any Sofia/Sophia born Jun 1885 with parents Johan and Maria

bsandve
08-11-14, 21:47
Thanks, Alan!
This Emma Laukka, 1870, certainly fits with my other assumptions. I don't understand the abbreviation in front of her name in the census entry--is she a servant there? (Also, I wonder why I still can't find her listed in the 1873-1879 Rippik.?)

Karen Norwillo
08-11-14, 22:02
I find brother Heikki Laukka in Ishpeming and then later in Red Lodge, MT with wife Anna Narkio. He was born 21 June 1878 in Finland according to his WWI Draft registration card. Later census 1920-1940 has them in MT. At their 1905 marriage in Ishpeming he is 27, Anna 22, gives his parents as John Laukko and Klara Takkunen, hers as John Narkio and Maria Partanen. Witnesses were Juho and Sofia Hauru. Could it be that Juho Loukka was married more than once and that Henry and Sofia had same father, different mothers. Henry and Anna are buried in Red Lodge Cemetery.1940 census shows Henry as divorced.

bsandve
09-11-14, 00:16
Two different wives for Juho Laukka would help explain his children's age range between Emma b 1870, Heikki b 1878 and Sofia, b. 1885--assuming they are indeed all related.

Karen Norwillo
09-11-14, 01:54
Here are obits for Henry and Anna Laukka from MT.

Karen Norwillo
09-11-14, 02:10
From FamilySearch, John Myllymaki was married to Aliina Sarah Laukka. She was born 1883 in Haapavesi and died in 1964. So here would be another Laukka closer to the 1885 birth of Sofia. Being that one of Emma's daughters was named Aliina, perhaps after her aunt.?? Just speculating.
Just noticed from a previous post, Emma 1870 born Haapajärvi 40 Takkunen. Could it be that Klara Takkunen is actually Emma? Takkunen sounds like it could be the farm name.

Karen Norwillo
09-11-14, 02:30
Here's that marriage image that shows Takkunen.

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 02:45
Emma Laukka, born 1870, location unknown, was at Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen, Haapavesi in 1890 (but she was not there in 1895)...that page also shows Juho Laukko, born 1847, wife Pieta, born 1855, and 4 young daughters, not identified by name...

However, 1900 Henkikirjat, same farm (Takkunen) shows Mtpl (Mäkitupal/Cottager) Juho Laukka, born 1847 and wife Klaara, born 1846

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 04:03
In 1895, there was a Juho Laukko and a Juho Laukka at Takkunen, both born 1847...Juho Laukko with wife Prieta...and Juho Laukka with wife Klaara, born 1846, son Johannes, born 1875 and two young daughters...Juho Laukka and Klaara were not at Takkunen in 1890...

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 05:14
HisKi only shows one Clara born 1846 in Haapavesi http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/5nfyu1

bsandve
09-11-14, 17:59
Thanks again, Karen and Alan. There's a lot of data to assimilate and still a few unanswered/documented questions. Here's a short summary:
1) It does appear that Abram Olofsson Alatalo's wife is Emma Laukka, b 1870, but there's no source that proves it.
2) Emma's family is most probably as follows, from what can infer in census, immigration, passenger lists, and US marriage records.
father- Juho Lauka, 1847; residence- 1895&1900 Haapavesi, Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen. Married between 1890-1895 Haapavesi.
mother- Klara Morko Takkunen, b. 7 Sep 1846; parents-Henric Olsson Morko, 2 Mar 1821/Caisa Susannasdotter Ahola, 21 Oct 1821, married 27 Jan 1844.
Children:
a) Emma Laukka, 1870, d aft 1915 probably at Haapavesi, Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen.
b) Juho Laukka, 1875 Haapavesi, immigr 1901 (US contact-brother Oscar Laukka-so Juho he may not be from same family, but if so, there's another sibling to trace(?))
c) Heikki Laukka, 21 Jun 1878 Haapavesi, immigr 1902; married Anna Narkio on 29 Nov 1905 Ishpeming, MI; 1 son, 4 daughters, d. 13 Nov 1948 Red Lodge, MT; divorced before 1940.
d) Aliina Sarah Laukka, b abt 1884/5, immigr 1903, married John William Myllymaki on 22 Apr 1907 Isheming, MI; d. 1964 Ishpeming, Mi; 2 sons.
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e) Sofia Laukka, 3 Jun 1885 (Oulu?), immigr 1900, marr John August Hauru 23 1905 Ishpeming, d 17 Mar 1942 Astoria, OR; 1 son, 1 daughter. BUT-marriage record lists her mother as Maria Toivola (?).

I probably got something wrong in the summary, but is a start. What else do we know?
Bill

bsandve
09-11-14, 18:18
Thanks again, Karen and Alan. There's a lot of data to assimilate and still a few unanswered/documented questions. Here's a short summary:
1) It does appear that Abram Olofsson Alatalo's wife is Emma Laukka, b 1870, but there's no source that proves it.
2) Emma's family is most probably as follows, from what can infer in census, immigration, passenger lists, and US marriage records.
father- Juho Lauka, 1847; residence- 1895&1900 Haapavesi, Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen. Married between 1890-1895 Haapavesi.
mother- Klara Morko Takkunen, b. 7 Sep 1846; parents-Henric Olsson Morko, 2 Mar 1821/Caisa Susannasdotter Ahola, 21 Oct 1821, married 27 Jan 1844.
Children:
a) Emma Laukka, 1870, d aft 1915 probably at Haapavesi, Haapajärvi 40, Takkunen.
b) Juho Laukka, 1875 Haapavesi, immigr 1901 (US contact-brother Oscar Laukka-so Juho he may not be from same family, but if so, there's another sibling to trace(?))
c) Heikki Laukka, 21 Jun 1878 Haapavesi, immigr 1902; married Anna Narkio on 29 Nov 1905 Ishpeming, MI; 1 son, 4 daughters, d. 13 Nov 1948 Red Lodge, MT; divorced before 1940.
d) Aliina Sarah Laukka, b abt 1884/5, immigr 1903, married John William Myllymaki on 22 Apr 1907 Isheming, MI; d. 1964 Ishpeming, Mi; 2 sons.
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e) Sofia Laukka, 3 Jun 1885 (Oulu?), immigr 1900, marr John August Hauru 23 1905 Ishpeming, d 17 Mar 1942 Astoria, OR; 1 son, 1 daughter. BUT-marriage record lists her mother as Maria Toivola (?).

I probably got something wrong in the summary, but is a start. What else do we know?
Bill

bsandve
09-11-14, 18:23
I also forgot mention that there are birth date discrepancies for both Sofia (abt 1881 or 1884 vs 3.6.1885) and Heikki Laukka (24.8.1872 vs 21.6.1878) from sources that list them.

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 18:55
HisKi shows Johan Nilsson, born 14.3.1847, Haapavesi; also shown as Johan Nilsson Laukka in the attached page from Haapavesi Rippikirja...whose father was Nils Nilsson Laukka el. Uponen

I now believe Henrik Laukka was born in 1878 and came to America in 1903...going to join cousin S. Laukka, Ishpeming, MI...maybe the Sophia Laukka who emigrated in 1902 and married John August Hauru in 1905

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 19:04
Haapavesi Rippikirja 1845-1851, Mielukoski 1, Upola: The family of Nils Nilsson...but strange that Johan is not shown here

bsandve
09-11-14, 19:20
I think you have the right Johan Laukka. He's listed with his parents and sibs at 225.jpg, Mieluskoski, 11 Upola Ypykkä, same Rippik.

BessemerFinn
09-11-14, 19:33
Johan, born 14.3.1847, shown here with parents and siblings in Haapavesi Rippikirja 1862-1869

bsandve
09-11-14, 23:47
Johan Nilsson Laukka is also listed as single in the Haapavesi > Communion Book, 1873-1879 > 22: Mieluskoski, L, image 22, which would seem to rule him out as the father of Emma b 1870 and even Heikki b 1878, unless there's something relevant in comments section on the continuation page (image 23) that I can't read (?)

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_eng/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=6255&pnum=22

bsandve
10-11-14, 01:59
I was also just looking at Klara Henriksdotter Takunnen, 9.7.1846 in the Haapavesi > Communion Book, 1873-1879 > 121: Haapajärvi, T
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_eng/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=6255&pnum=121
I believe it lists below her entry a daughter born out of wedlock born 10.8.1870--if so, she could not be the mother of Emma Laukka.

BessemerFinn
10-11-14, 14:07
I think there was a fire at Haapavesi and the 1873-1879 communion book looks like it was salvaged from that fire...the pages appear to be unbound and are definitely out of sequence...also, I don't see any communion markings for Johan Nilsson Laukka, while there is a marking in 1871 for his brother Nils, born 14.8.1850...the previous book shows a communion marking for Johan in 1869...furthermore, I can't find Juho Laukka and wife Klaara in Haapavesi Henkikirjat prior to 1895...there is a marking before the name of Johan Nilsson Laukka that looks like the letter L...I can't find a key in the Haapavesi books...but I have seen that marking used in other parish books to indicate a move...

bsandve
10-11-14, 18:58
Its certainly a puzzle, but I'll keep looking.

Other thoughts:
1. It occurs to me that perhaps the reason that the mother of Sofia Lauuka is shown as Maria Toivola could be because Klaara died sometime between 1900 and Sofia's marriage in 1905, and that Maria is actually her new-step mother. I haven't yet found where Toivola farm is though.
2. I also have found that the FS catalog has a microfilm with marriages for Happavesi up to 1869, so I may try that route, although it usually takes 3-4 weeks, after ordering (Vihityt 1828-1869, Family History Library, International Film, 59893 Item 4)--maybe it will show a marriage in 1865-1869 timeframe that will help.

BessemerFinn
10-11-14, 19:42
I haven't had any luck with Sophia Laukka...that Institute of Migration record shows a Sofia Laukka, born 1881, home parish Nivala, who went to Ishpeming in 1902...I looked through 1881 Nivala birth records and also move in records, 1881 thru 1902, but didn't find her...

BessemerFinn
10-11-14, 20:04
I found a Saima Eerontr. Laukka, born 11.6.1881, who moved to Nivala from Haapavesi with her mother the widow Maria Juusontr. Eskola in 1887...maybe her given name was Saima Sofia???...but that would mean mistakes in that MI marriage record, with regard to the first name of her father and surname of her mother...too much of a stretch maybe...

bsandve
10-11-14, 23:54
Re: Sophia Laukka- the one who arrived in NY in 1902 listing her age as 20 and bound for Michigan is the right one. Her US contact in the manifest entry is brother Heikki Laukka residing at Ishpeming. She might have 'enhanced' her age a bit since she was traveling alone. Not sure what to make of Nivala as the parish reference.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nypl&h=4001619159&indiv=try

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 02:37
If this information is correct, the Sofia Laukka shown on that 1902 NY Passenger List (SS Celtic), is not the Sofia Laukka who married John August Hauru in 1905...

bsandve
11-11-14, 03:08
Interesting--from Geni.com, I assume. Lots of Laukkas to keep associated with the right families it seems. This Sophia must have also had a brother Heikki Laukka at Ishpeming, MI--quite a coincidence. And back to square one..

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 16:58
Henry Koistinen and Soffi Laukko, age 32, were married 1911, Toronto...Soffi's parents are identified as Leander Laukko and Helene Pirttinen...

The family of Leander Josefsson Laukka and Lena Nilsdr Pirttiman is shown in Happavesi Rippikirja, 1873-1879...unfortunately, it's at the bottom of the page and some of the children's names cannot be seen...the birth year for the youngest child is unreadable...if that year was 1878, the child could be Henrik, who emigrated in 1903...but he was going to join a cousin, S. Laukka, in Ishpeming...

And in 1902, Sofia Laukka went to join brother Heikki in Ishpeming...so that brother could not be Henrik born 1878, but could be Henrik, born 24.8.1872, who emigrated in 1898...and Leander Josefsson Laukka did not have a son Henrik, born 24.8.1872...

More work required... :)

bsandve
11-11-14, 17:38
So, doesn't the information you've found imply that the Sofia Lauukka entry, who married a Koistinen, listed in the Geni.com entry is erroneous, and is not the Sofia that immigrated on the SS Celtic in 1902 despite the age discrepancy?

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 18:01
1880 Haapavesi Henkikirjat, Haapajärvi 46, Kurra: Johan Nilsson Laukka, born 1847; wife Klaara, born 1846, B 2-1 (Barn/Children, 2 boys and 1 girl)...

Also shown is Johan's brother Jakob Nilsson Laukka, born 1842...

And their father Nils Laukka, born 1808, with second wife Maria, born 1812

The first wife of Nils Laukka and mother of Johan and Jakob, was Caisa Pehrsdr, who died in 1868...

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 18:03
I think it's very possible that Soffi Laukko who married Henry Koistinen was not Sofia Laukka who emigrated to Ishpeming in 1902...

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 18:09
1885 Haapavesi Henkikirjat, same farm...Johan Nilsson Laukka and wife Klaara now have 5 children, 2 boys and 3 girls...

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 18:21
1890 Haapavesi Henkikirjat, Haapajärvi 46, Kurra...only 3 children shown here, 1 boy and 2 girls...so one boy and one girl left the farm or died between 1885 and 1890...the girl could be Emma Laukka, born 1870, who in 1890, was at Happajärvi 40, Takkunen...which is where Johan Nilsson Laukka and wife Klaara also were in 1895, with son Johan, born 1875 and 2 young daughters...most likely Johan was the boy shown in 1890, as children under the age of 16, were not identified by name in these records...

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 19:26
1875 Haapavesi Henkikirjat, Haapajärvi 46, Kurra...Johan Lauka, wife Clara, one boy and one girl...the widow Kaisa Takkunen, is most likely Clara's mother...Kaisa's children Leander and Sofia would then be Clara's siblings...none of them are at Kurra in 1870...

bsandve
11-11-14, 22:04
How did you ever find them at Kurra farm--pg-by-pg brute force search thru the census records?

Klara's siblings and mother are shown at the link in my posting #34. Her illegitimate child, Kaisa Klarasdr 10.08.70 still seems to be a problem though, since if Kaisa was born in 1870, its unlikely that Emma, 1870, could be her child too, which would imply that we might possibly have the wrong John Laukka too (?).
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivu...=6255&pnum=121

bsandve
11-11-14, 22:08
Unless, of course, Klara's first daughter's full name was Kaisa Emma Klarasdotter Laukka...

BessemerFinn
11-11-14, 23:00
That's exactly how I found them...a page by page search...I also found Leander Laukka and wife Lena in 1875 and 1880...on two different farms...and they are not on the same farm in 1885...so they moved again...but I need to give my eyes a rest...if I can find them in 1900, their daughter Sofia (if they had a daughter Sofia), might be living with them...

A quick search of HisKi (all parishes) shows Emma Kaisa to not be a very popular name... :(

But it's also possible that Klaara Takkunen was the second wife of Johan Nilsson Laukka...

bsandve
11-11-14, 23:10
I've been looking again at Klara Takkunen's parents & siblings, Haapavesi > Communion Book, 1873-1879 > 121: Haapajärvi, T.
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivu...=6255&pnum=121
I printed out the two pages, cut them apart, and then aligned the pages to make it a little easier to read, although I don't understand all of it. I've attempted to transcribe the comments section or part of it below, from the left-hand page. Corrections/suggestions/translations welcome...

Takunnen, Henriks GKb fol. 412
Enka Kaisa Susannasdr Ahola, 21.10.1821 Enka 2(?)/5 1868 eft. Henrik Olofsson Takkunen
Dr Albina Henriksdr, 3.10.1848 Gift till fol. 116
Son Leander Henriksson, See Nedan (see below), 27.2.1851
Son Herman Do, 4.6.1853
Dr Anna Sofia Henriksdr, 23.6.1855 Till Pedisjarvi (?) 16/6
Dtr Klara Henriksdr, 9.7.1846 7/5=71 Hende {?} bet. {?} {?} fol. 485, gift till fol.397
{????}
{?} o.a. Kaisa Klarasdr, 10.8.1870 Till fol. 397
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Takkunen, Leander Henriksson, 27.4.51 Vigde 2/4.77
hu Kaisa Maria Emanuelsdr, 14.12.47 {?} ifran Pedisjarvi 1877 Dod 17/5.77

bsandve
11-11-14, 23:29
some updates: references to Pedisjarvi are most probably Pidisjärvi in Nivala. Kaisa Maria Emanuelsdr's birth date is listed wrong in the Communion book--it should be 14.12.1849.

BessemerFinn
12-11-14, 02:30
Ok...time to rethink this...

1905: Sofia Laukka, age 22 (b abt 1883), marries John August Hauru in Ishpeming, MI; Sofia's parents identified as Juho Laukka and Maria Toivola

Two family trees on Ancestry show Sophia (Laukka) Hauru, born 3.6.1885, Oulu; spouse John August Hauru...but Oulu birth records show no such person born on that date...

1902: Sofia Laukka, age 20, goes to join brother Heikki Laukka in Ishpeming; unknown if this is the same Sofia Laukka who married John August Hauru

1906: Henry Laukka, age 27 (b abt 1879), marries Anna Narkio; Henry's parents identified as John Laukka and Klara Takkunen; witnesses are John and Sophia Hauru

22.6.1903, Henrik Laukka, age 26, goes to join cousin S Laukka in Ishpeming; Institute of Migration shows Henrik Laukka, born 1878, home parish Haapavesi, received a passport to America, Jun 1903. Henrik Laukka believed to be the son of Johan Nilsson Laukka, born 1847 and Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen, born 1846

1915: Liisa Aliina Alatalo to Aunt Sofia Hauru in Astoria, OR; Liisa's mother is Emma Alatalo, Haapavesi

Haapavesi Henkikirjat shows Emma, born 1870, the wife of Abram Olofsson Alatalo, born 1868; who is believed to be the mother of Liisa Aliina Alatalo

Sofia Laukka Hauru is most likely the sister of Emma Laukka? Alatalo

Henrik Laukka, born 1878, is believed to be the cousin of Sofia Laukka

Sofia and Emma Laukka may have had a brother Henrik/Heikki...possibly Heikki Laukka, born 24.8.1872, who emigrated in 1898

bsandve
12-11-14, 14:59
Comments inline below -


Ok...time to rethink this...

1905: Sofia Laukka, age 22 (b abt 1883), marries John August Hauru in Ishpeming, MI; Sofia's parents identified as Juho Laukka and Maria Toivola

Two family trees on Ancestry show Sophia (Laukka) Hauru, born 3.6.1885, Oulu; spouse John August Hauru...but Oulu birth records show no such person born on that date...
>> Also, ClatsopCounty Death Cert. records list her borth date as 3.6.1885.

1902: Sofia Laukka, age 20, goes to join brother Heikki Laukka in Ishpeming; unknown if this is the same Sofia Laukka who married John August Hauru
>> BUT 1910 Astoria census record lists her arrival date as 1900 not 1902.

1906: Henry Laukka, age 27 (b abt 1879), marries Anna Narkio; Henry's parents identified as John Laukka and Klara Takkunen; witnesses are John and Sophia Hauru

22.6.1903, Henrik Laukka, age 26, goes to join cousin S Laukka in Ishpeming; Institute of Migration shows Henrik Laukka, born 1878, home parish Haapavesi, received a passport to America, Jun 1903. Henrik Laukka believed to be the son of Johan Nilsson Laukka, born 1847 and Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen, born 1846

1915: Liisa Aliina Alatalo to Aunt Sofia Hauru in Astoria, OR; Liisa's mother is Emma Alatalo, Haapavesi

Haapavesi Henkikirjat shows Emma, born 1870, the wife of Abram Olofsson Alatalo, born 1868; who is believed to be the mother of Liisa Aliina Alatalo

Sofia Laukka Hauru is most likely the sister of Emma Laukka? Alatalo

Henrik Laukka, born 1878, is believed to be the cousin of Sofia Laukka

Sofia and Emma Laukka may have had a brother Henrik/Heikki...possibly Heikki Laukka, born 24.8.1872, who emigrated in 1898
>> YES.

>> AND:
Aliina Sarah Laukka, born abt 1884, immigr 1903, marr. John William Myllymaki on 22 Apr 1907 in Ishpeming, MI (Aliina Laukka, 22; Father's Name: John Laukka
Mother's Name: Klara Laukka).

Juho Laukka, b abt 1875, immigr 1901, US Contact-Oscar Laukka, Crystal Falls, MI. If this Juho is in the same Laukka family, we have another brother, Oscar, to find.

bsandve
13-11-14, 01:39
So, it seems that there are probably two Heikki Laukkas and two Sofia Laukkas to unsort.
Also, there are these family relationship facts to consider:
1) Children whose parents are listed as Juho/John Laukka and Klara Takkunen-
> Heikki Laukka b 1878, Aliina Laukka, b abt 1884, Juho Laukka b 1875.
2) Child with parents listed as John Laukka and Maria Toivola- Sofia Laukka.
3) Siblings we know that are related-
> Heikki (1878), Aliina (1884) as referenced in Heikki's obit.
4) Siblings we believe are related- Sofia Laukka, Emma Laukka.

BessemerFinn
13-11-14, 03:36
i think Emma's father must be a different Johan Laukka, because...

the marriage record for Sofia Laukka who married John August Hauru in 1905, identifies her mother as Maria Toivola...

a safe assumption is that Sofia Laukka Hauru was the sister of Emma Alatalo...supported by the 1915 passenger list for Liisa Aliina Alatalo...and that John Hauru and Mrs. John Hauru were witnesses at Alina's 1918 marriage to John Stair...

Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen was shown as the wife of Johan Nilsson Laukka from 1875 thru 1900...identified as the mother of Henry Laukka in 1906... and the mother of Aliina Laukka in 1907...so unless Sofia's mother was erroneously identified in her 1905 marriage record, she was not a sibling to Henry and Alina Laukka...

but the family of Johan Nilsson Laukka and Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen might be related to the family of Emma and Sofia Laukka...as Sofia and John Hauru were witnesses at the marriage of Henry Laukka...so, Henry Laukka, born 1878, could be a cousin to Emma and Sofia Laukka...

but Juho/John Laukka is identified as the father for Sofia, Henry and Aliina Laukka...Henry and Aliina are undoubtedly brother and sister...so if Sofia's father is not erroneously identified, then one of the following could be true...

Sofia's father Juho had Johan as what we would consider to be a middle name, such as Anders Johan, or...

they are distant cousins, or...

the family connection is on the maternal side...which i would think unlikely, since we have names of Toivola and Takkunen...

it's too bad the Oregon marriage records do not show the parents' names...although the 1918 Return of Marriage document for Alina Alatalo shows both her parents born in Haapavesi...

bsandve
13-11-14, 05:24
I think you're on the right track--need to think about it a little more.

One additional find: in Haapavesi > Communion Book, 1873-1879 > 87: Haapajärvi, L
the Johan Nilsson Laukka family is shown, based on their residence at Kurra at that time I suppose, and the left hand page comments indicate that Johan and Klara were married 5.1.1871 (if I read the faint writing correctly). There was also daughter Kaisa Klarasdr (1870) and three sons with birth dates very hard to read--Johannes (04.4.1872?), Jacob (07.7.76?), and Henrik (x.x.77? possibly 11.4.77) who also died 11.4.1877.
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_eng/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=6255&pnum=87

bsandve
13-11-14, 18:55
Raw data for analysis, Laukka families:
Haapavesi Henkikirjat
1875 (image 892) – 46 Kurra, J/K, (1-1); enka Caisa Takkunen, B: Leander, Sofia. Nils Laukka, Maria.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=589103
1880 (image 1122) - 46 Kurra, J/K, (2-1); Nils Laukka, 08, Maria, 13; Jacob Laukka, 42, Maria 49. Leander Takkunen, 51, Mor Kaisa, 21.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=595467
1885 (image 550) - 46 Kurra, J/K, (2-3). Leander Takkunen , 51, Kaisa, 47, (1-1). Jakob Nilsson Laukka 42, Maria, 49, (2-0).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=21422061
1890 (image 595) - 40, Emma Laukka, 46.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=21499426
1890 (image 598) - 46 Kurra, J/K, (1-2); Jaako Laukka 42, Maria 48, (2-1).
1895 (image 87) - 40 Takkunen, J/K, Juho, 75; (0-2); Fredrik Lagus, 51/Sofia (Henriksdr Laukka), 55, (2-4).
1895 (image 89) - 46 Kurra, Heikki Laukka, 78.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=21495503
1900 (image 272) - 40 Takkunen, J/K; Fredrik Lagus, 51/Sofia, 55, (3-3).
1900 (image 275) - 46 Kurra, Saara Laukko, 80
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=21509248
1905 (image 1162) - 40 Takkunen, (widow) Klara Laukka, 46; Saara, 83; Juho, 72. Fredrik Lagus 51/Sofi 53, Juho 86, (1-3).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=21522884

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Note: Johan Nilsson Laukka, 47; Klara Henriksdotter Takkunen, 46. (they are abbreviated J/K above)

bsandve
13-11-14, 21:20
i think Emma's father must be a different Johan Laukka, because...

the marriage record for Sofia Laukka who married John August Hauru in 1905, identifies her mother as Maria Toivola...

a safe assumption is that Sofia Laukka Hauru was the sister of Emma Alatalo...supported by the 1915 passenger list for Liisa Aliina Alatalo...and that John Hauru and Mrs. John Hauru were witnesses at Alina's 1918 marriage to John Stair...

Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen was shown as the wife of Johan Nilsson Laukka from 1875 thru 1900...identified as the mother of Henry Laukka in 1906... and the mother of Aliina Laukka in 1907...so unless Sofia's mother was erroneously identified in her 1905 marriage record, she was not a sibling to Henry and Alina Laukka...

but the family of Johan Nilsson Laukka and Klaara Henriksdr Takkunen might be related to the family of Emma and Sofia Laukka...as Sofia and John Hauru were witnesses at the marriage of Henry Laukka...so, Henry Laukka, born 1878, could be a cousin to Emma and Sofia Laukka...

but Juho/John Laukka is identified as the father for Sofia, Henry and Aliina Laukka...Henry and Aliina are undoubtedly brother and sister...so if Sofia's father is not erroneously identified, then one of the following could be true...

Sofia's father Juho had Johan as what we would consider to be a middle name, such as Anders Johan, or...

they are distant cousins, or...

the family connection is on the maternal side...which i would think unlikely, since we have names of Toivola and Takkunen...

it's too bad the Oregon marriage records do not show the parents' names...although the 1918 Return of Marriage document for Alina Alatalo shows both her parents born in Haapavesi...

>> It seems to me that the key is to find Maria Toivola.